Talk:Pokémon the Series: XY

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Let's just leave it for another week and see what happens, rather than move now and then again later. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


 * English title is unconfirmed, simple human created redirect in the way of move — Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 06:16, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Anthony was this really necessary? This isn't going to air for 3 more weeks. There are no episode titles. This page shouldn't have been made in the first place per WP:CRYSTAL. Why cant' it just be moved? Someone just created a redirect 3 months ago and now I can't correct the title?— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 15:43, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Most people know these characters as Pokémons, not as Pocket Monsters. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no confirmed English language title for the two episodes that are going to air on October 17 in Japan and October 19 in the United States. There aren't even any titles here (yet). It should be at the Japanese title until the English one is known because all I've been finding is some poster someone posted on DeviantArt saying "this is the official English poster".— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 16:07, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "The Japanese title" here is not Japanese language but English written in Japanese kana: we could choose:-
 * The kana original: ポケットモンスター エックスワイ
 * The kana transcribed literally: Poketto Monsutā Ekkusu Wai
 * The presumed English original: Pocket Monsters: XY
 * Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well there is nothing that says that these will be called "Pokémon: XY" yet.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 21:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The move would make this only the second article with "Pocket Monsters" in the title. You probably make a good point about CRYSTAL, so perhaps this is ok for now, but we should be prepared to move again in a few weeks—probably to a title with "Pokémon" in it. --BDD (talk) 17:01, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * When there's an official English title then fine, move it. But when there isn't one the creator should not have automatically switched "Pocket Monsters" for "Pokémon".— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 18:48, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I actually meant to name this page Pocket Monsters, but accidentally called it Pokemon. So I am ok with the move.— cyberpower ChatOnline 19:28, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Uhhh, why do we have a "list" with no items listed? Are they expected to be announced very very soon? I don't understand why we need a page in the current state. A userpage would have been better if you wanted to be ready. Blake (Talk·Edits) 13:52, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. And as you can see, they are now announced and the list is now populated with a few items.  I saw information relating to episode names of the XY series, so I saw the official sources were going to be releasing them soon.— cyberpower ChatOnline 11:47, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Ryulong, perhaps the situation simply changed over the course of a few days, but File:PokemonSeason17XYLogo.png looks to me like evidence of an English name, which would confirm the current name. What do you think? --BDD (talk) 19:08, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This discussion took place before that was uploaded. Ryulong himself changed everything back to Pokemon when he found info on the English episodes.— cyberpower ChatOnline 02:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not particularly happy with the sourcing on the image, as I could only ever find it on Bulbapedia and DeviantArt but we'll see what happens in a week or so.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 04:06, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yesterday in England I saw a television advertisement for "Pokemon X and Pokemon Y". They seemed to be new Pokemon fictional scenarios for videogames. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:30, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The new video games are out Saturday so that's probably what that was about. This is for the anime with Ash and Pikachu.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 07:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
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US Air Date?
Erm, where did the US airdates come from?— cyberpower ChatOnline 00:51, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Here.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 04:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It also has the logo. I'll go upload it.— cyberpower ChatOnline 11:45, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Editing
Thanks for adding the episode list. I like it that way

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Mega Evolution Special Episode
The Strongest Mega Evolution: Act 1 is a special episode that does not involve any of the main characters so it probably shouldn't be on this list.-- Ditto51 ( My Talk Page ) 17:42, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Why not? It's an episode. This is a list of episodes. There's no where else to include it.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 18:12, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Pokémon Origins wasn't included with any already organised episodes, it is a special that does not use the main characters as the rest of the series. Chronicles and Origins were separate so why should this one be included?-- Ditto51 ( My Talk Page ) 18:14, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe having a separate table because Act 1 implies a series so having it under would make it easier to split if and when more episodes come out onto its own page.-- Ditto51 ( My Talk Page ) 19:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Pokemon Origins was its own separate miniseries that was not broadcast in the slot that would become XY. This is just a unique episode of XY that does not require special treatment.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 20:08, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

The Undersea Castle! Kuzumo and Dramidoro!! is aired in South Korea
This episode "The Undersea Castle! Kuzumo and Dramidoro!!" (Kaitei no Shiro! Kuzumō to Doramidoro!!/海底の城！クズモーとドラミドロ！！) is the first aired on August 8, 2014 in South Korea, thus making it the very first episode to air outside of Japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.65.189.158 (talk) 01:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Episode listing
Actually it's listed in the order of how the episodes were intended to be broadcasted, aka the episode number.— cyberpower ChatAbsent 00:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Since when has this been true of anything? The order should be in the updated broadcast date order and nothing to do with your insane production code or episode nip umber things. They do not use episode numbers for this show in Japan because there have been over a hundred episodes.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 20:35, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And what exactly justifies that because it's original broadcast has been delayed that the episode gets pushed down the list. An episode list is supposed to put the episodes into a sequence.  By sorting them by air date, the episode timeline is being put out of sequence.  By listing it in your order the episodes are out of sequence.— cyberpower ChatAbsent 20:54, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The episodes are in a sequence: broadcast order. This one episode had no real bearing on the storyline of the whole series. Other than Ash not having Hawlucha and Serena not haing Pancham this is not going to matter in the long run. We have no prior precedent of delayed episodes being left in their original intended order. In fact we have that Castelia City fishing tournament episode from the last series being completely rehashed to fit in with the new broadcast order.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 21:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The Castelia episode was slightly rewritten to fit in with the time sequence, according to sources. But fair enough.  I'll drop the ball on this one.— cyberpower <sup style="color:black;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Chat<sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex;color:black;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Absent 22:04, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

The Undersea Castle! Kuzumo and Dramidoro Episode
Now I can't tell what episode are in the right order because Fletchinder appeared as Fletchling and this episode takes place before Ash's Gym battle with Grant.--Funnycoolman (talk) 23:57, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is the order of broadcast and not the order of chronology. It's already clarified that it's been broadcast out of order so I don't know what you're after now.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 03:22, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I must agree with Funnycoolman on this one. This episode is listed of out of sequence.  The episodes are supposed to be listed in chronological order, not in order of broadcast.  The episode has several tie-ins to the time plot.  It should be moved back to it's original spot.— cyber power <sub style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Offline <sup style="margin-left:-6.4ex;color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Merry Christmas 16:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * We only know it's out of sequence because we know it was delayed. It's not important to include it in the internal chronological order unless an episode is broadcast in Japan but not the US.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 00:38, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually there are multiple discrepancies, in the plot, when I watched the episode. For one, Fletchling/Fletchinder, mention of his next Gym, and few others.  Even if I didn't know this was a delayed episode, I would have noticed really quickly when I started watching it, that it's out of place.— cyber power <sub style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Offline <sup style="margin-left:-6.4ex;color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Merry Christmas 22:56, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Whatever that case may be, it was delayed in the JP version rather than pulled out of circulation like some other episodes aired out of order internationally. We list it in broadcast order rather than intended broadcast order if its been broadcast and note that it was originally scheduled for an earlier date.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 23:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Japanese Episodes
There are more episodes that are set to air in Japan in Pokemon XY. Could someone find them?--Funnycoolman (talk) 00:57, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * They're on the TV Tokyo page but no one's gotten around to adding them to the page. I'll do it now.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 00:59, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 21 December 2014
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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number   5  7  12:59, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

List of Pokémon: XY episodes → List of Pokémon the Series: XY episodes – (and along with Pokémon: XY → Pokémon the Series: XY) Ok, I am totally puzzled about this, but doesn't anyone might have noticed that the English title of the first XY seasons is called Pokémon the Series: XY, not Pokémon: XY, that I did saw it in Cartoon Network and they did called the season's name and even the as Pokémon the Series: XY. DigiPen92 (talk) 08:01, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose: "The Series XY" is not common.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 09:22, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Sorry, but, you're kind of absolutely making no sense Ryulong.DigiPen92 (talk) 21:50, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Do people around the internet call this season "Pokemon The Series XY" or do they just call it "Pokemon XY"?— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 22:01, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The Cartoon Network announcer and even the next and right now slide (I don't know what people called it for TV?) calls it as Pokemon the Series: XY. I'll show the screenshot what they have in Cartoon Network.DigiPen92 (talk) 22:08, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * But what do people at large call the show? The official name doesn't matter when the common name does.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 22:53, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * They called it Pokémon the Series: XY.DigiPen92 (talk) 23:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have proof that people call this "Pokemon the Series XY" in full? Or do you just have proof that "Pokemon the Series XY" is the official name that shows up when you look at TV Guide or the Guide channel or whatever? Because it's more important to Wikipedia to title articles what people call things rather than what the official name is, considering that The Pokemon Company decided to retroactively rename their older seasons.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 00:39, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't see alot of sites with people calling it as Pokémon: XY itself, but I thought marking unofficial websites, forums, and fan suggestions wouldn't count as reliable for Wikipedia, but, I did see some used the "Pokémon the Series: XY" title from Serebii.net (that I am not sure about Serebii.net that I did see the owner marked Pokémon XY just for the mainsite and the episode guide, but, I am not positive about this with him since he did use official english names for the characters, pokemon, items, etc. for the games, but, that it totally puzzles me about this in Serebii.net) and Pokemon Wiki did used Pokmon the Series: XY and I am contributor in there also, but I am not sure in Bulbapedia, but I haven't been there that long time, but I did have bad internet connections when the last time I went to that website in Hughes.net router. (Yeah, I know Serebii.net and wikis aren't considered to be reliable, but I wasn't sure like what websites you want to have proof with people calling this or that?), but I did checked in Direct.TV that showed up in the guide as Pokémon: XY, but this would kind of puzzles me that I do recall remembering years ago that I did saw that there were a few mistakes in the Direct.TV guide that they had something that they made it short sometimes like "Avatar: The Last Airbender" as "Avatar", "Kim Possible" as "Possible", and some of the others that I couldn't remember what they did years ago, and plus, I do remembered that I did saw an incorrect info that I remembered in Direct.TV that they had on Avatar: The Last Airbender that they had the Chapter 13 for Book 1 that they had "The Blue Spirit" title marked incorrectly as "The Red Spirit" in Direct.TV.DigiPen92 (talk) 09:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * What matters to Wikipedia is "common usage" and "common usage" is "Pokémon: XY" because you have not yet proven common usage for "Pokémon The Series: XY".— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 09:22, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Then, what should I give out to support if people can agree on it and suggest to move the title page as "Pokémon the Series: XY", I have a feeling right now this looks like it's going to be harder than I thought?DigiPen92 (talk) 09:31, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to convince us that the page should be moved by showing us evidence that people call the show "Pokemon The Series XY" and not just "Pokemon XY". It's not that complicated. Now, you probably won't convince us but you haven't shown anything that says we should believe our own intuition otherwise. Just let it go.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 09:52, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No no no, I mean where should I find some source that it's fessible enough, do I have to like to do google search and search "What alot of people call "Pokemon the Series: XY" as "Pokemon the Series: XY" itself or as "Pokemon: XY"?" and then find the source to show alot of people call it? I don't see this in some of the other talk pages in Wikipedia that users say like this happened, but I don't think like what people call it counts as reliable source for Wikipedia?DigiPen92 (talk) 19:31, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not my job to help you prove your argument. I don't want the page to be moved. Why would I help in the first place?— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 20:25, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose Per WP:UCRN. —KirtZ Message 22:19, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * What's with UCRN got to do with the page title for Pokémon the Series: XY? And also, I tried to find the Next and Right Now thing to show about the title of Pokémon the Series: XY in my Records from "Bonnie for the Defense!" episode, but I couldn't find it yet, but maybe I'll show it when I record it the Teen Titans Go tomorrow to see if it pops up the Next and Right Now thing for the title of Pokémon the Series: XY.DigiPen92 (talk) 22:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Well if you actually read it, you'll see that it gives weight to the common name. Nobody says "Hey did you watch Pokemon The Series XY?" They skip the series. —KirtZ Message 22:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That make no sense and also, I already did read it in UCRN, but I don't see anything examples about Seasons or Series by name, we should focus on official English names, not what other people called it, we did have other similar titles in Wikipedia that did used such as One Piece Film: Z not One Piece Z, Persona 4: The Animation not Persona 4 (Anime), etc.DigiPen92 (talk) 23:29, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I will not be replying anymore. If you fail to understand WP:COMMONNAME then I cant help you. —KirtZ Message 23:48, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I did read it and understand it clearly, it's just the Common Name page isn't working out (but, I thought it's looks too irrelevant for my point of view or too confusing in my part earlier for this topic). But, I was thinking that Common Names page just need to give more clearer examples than that?DigiPen92 (talk) 09:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose WP:OFFICIALNAME we do not use official names because they are official. WP:CONCISE we don't use long names because they are official. WP:UCN the common name os Pokemon XY. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "We don't use official names because they are official" uh... what? That... doesn't make sense... at all. Also, the logo has "the series" in it... that should be evident enough.--58.7.174.159 (talk) 10:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Just because it is an official title does not mean that the article on Wikipedia must also be at that title. This title is shared between the Japanese and English versions. Just because the official English title has two more words in it when no one uses those when referring to the season, Wikipedia doesn't need to make a correction no one else uses.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 10:42, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * So we should have a factually incorrect title? Sounds about right. Why does common usage come first anyway? It should be official usage and then (in a case where there is no official term) common usage. This just seems so... backwards thinking.--124.148.231.216 (talk) 13:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment why is this called "List of episodes" instead of just Pokemon: XY ? There doesn't seem to be a series article at all, so this entire topic is missing the main article. Why have a subsidiary list article without a main article?? -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * THE main article is Pokémon (anime) and it's titled this to avoid confusion with Pokémon X and Y.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 06:23, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that Pokemon: XY could easily be confused with the games and if anything should redirect there, not the be the title of this article.--69.157.253.160 (talk) 22:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and per WP:UCN. – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 18:22, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


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What should we do with the Season 18 episodes?
Knowing that Season 17 has already come to an end with "Bonnie for the Defense", I wonder what we should do with the future Season 18 episodes? I don't think they're relevant to fit in List of Pokémon: XY Episodes anymore. So where does anyone think the "Season 18" episodes should go? —Platinum Lucario (talk) 06:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Please provide a source that there has been a change of seasons.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 07:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Rosenfeld's twitter--58.7.174.159 (talk) 09:55, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well if and when season 18 is named the episodes will move over to a new article on that season.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 10:38, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * One of the episodes have been named on Zap2It, but I'm not sure if it's a reliable source though.—Platinum Lucario (talk) 16:28, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * But is it still "the series xy"?— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 18:52, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe the Cartoon Network site calls the new series "Pokemon the series: XY Season 2". Though, that is highly unlikely the actual title and is most likely just a placeholder.--106.68.146.203 (talk) 13:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a link to the page?— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 19:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I just saw a preview on CN, apparently S18 does indeed start this Saturday. —KirtZ Message 12:18, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Splitting the table
We know that Bonnie for the Defense is the last episode of Season 17, as per Rosenfeld's twitter (and if you don't know, Rosenfeld is a voice actor, I.e. someone who works on the show). So shouldn't we split them? Sure, we don't know the title of Season 18, but we should still split them up for the mean time.--124.169.75.187 (talk) 06:28, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No reliable sources exist to verify this claim. Twitter is not a reliable source.  Also we don't have any reason to split the table because we don't have any Season 18 info yet.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 14:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * So the voice actress herself isn't a reliable source? Is Rosenfeld lying? Has she been lying the whole time? Is she really not a voice actress? Because that is what you are saying. And we don't need info when we know there's a split, so just split it.--106.68.87.113 (talk) 16:50, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Two things, first the info comes from an unverified twitter account. Probably, but not certainly hers. Second, as a primary source she can give info about herself that we could use, we can't use that type of source for info about anything else. Even then she is an employee who does not speak for her employer. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Exactly. This is why the split won't happen until a reliable source releases this information.  And I repeat, Twitter is not considered a reliable source.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Twitter isn't the source. The voice actress herself is the source. You know, someone that works on the show.--106.69.20.255 (talk) 03:48, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * An unverified twitter isn't trusted to be the voice of the actress. And she still is not a spokeperson for the show even then so she can only speak for herself, not the show. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:10, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Season 17 and 18 separate page solution
Hello Wikipedia. Yesterday I went ahead to solve this problem of how to make Season 17 and 18 separate pages even though they both have the same title with nothing added to the S18 marketing. I notice we have a split table here, but it comes off funny on the main episode list page where we don't get "Season 18" listed. As you know, we can't have two Wikipedia pages with the same title and both Season 17 and 18 would bare the "List of Pokémon XY episode" title. Anyway, I retitled the Season 17 page "List of Pokémon XY (season 1) episodes" since technically this is Season 1 of "Series 5". I made a new page for Season 18 and titled it "List of Pokémon XY (season 2) episodes". I liked this. We got separate tables for Season 17 and 18 out on the main page and things looked rather good. This was quickly reverted by this user here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cyphoidbomb who didn't quite understand the show's episode structure and the listing of "Season 1" and "Season 2" for the two XY seasons when they're Season 17 and 18. We had a discussion about this on his talk page you can find here under the title POKEMON XY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cyphoidbomb. I encourage you to look at it and read what I said to him. I explain about the different generation eras and each one being a "Series", sort of like them each being a different show without actually being a different show. He found it mind-boggling but he hoped casual fans understood when they came in and saw the Season 1 and 2 labels for XY. I explained that they should since they'll see Seasons 17 and 18 have the same title and they'll know the Season 1 and 2 labels are just for the XY series but the Season 17 and 18 titles would still be listed for their overall place in the show following the other seasons. I reverted the edits back since Cychoid didn't request for a speedy deletion of the Season 18 page but just took it off the main page. Unfortunately, this user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cyberpower678 reverted all the work completely and got the page deleted. This led to discussion on his channel where he told me that there was no discussion to do this first. I recommend reading out discussion on his talk page too. I also spoke with another user who felt I made a mess: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KirtZJ. He replied on Cyphoid's channel but didn't bother to read the whole discussion to understand the reasonability of my edit as he selfishly remarked "tl;dr" (too long didn't read) and had to set him straight. Anyway, I decided to come here and start a discussion and see if others agree with this. On account of Seasons 17 and 18 having the same title, and since both being separate seasons warrant them separate pages, and since both can't be under the "List of Pokémon XY episodes" title, and if we were to just merge the seasons on one page we won't get a "Season 18" listing or it's own table on the main episode list page, should we have two pages one listed "Pokémon XY (season 1)" and "Pokémon XY (season 2)" as a fair solution to this all? - Jabrona (talk) 02:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I should point out that we can keep them in one place and still create two listings as Jabrona points out, by creating subpages, and listing them in the episode listing and transcluding them into the XY page. As to how this should pan out, I'd ideally like to see 2 pages, but marking them as Season 1 and Season 2 is not the answer.  The next best solution is to keep them split on one page, and the third best, which is never going to happen, is to ask The Pokemon Company to give Season 18 a new name.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 04:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's the issue with the last edit. Contemporary television shows do not have seasons within seasons. By production standards, labeling Pokemon SE17 and SE18 as XYSE1 and XYSE2 was erroneous because from this perspective it treats XY as its own television show and not a continuation of the greater Pokemon series. Simply put, a show cannot be two seasons at the same time. You cant take offense from us calling your edit a mess because you ended up creating 6 needless pages with the XYSE1/2 error and at least two double redirects which prevented us from restoring everything to the regular XY page without first having an admin delete the original page prior to the restore. Point #4 explains why "tldr" was necessary. —KirtZ Message 12:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There was no issue with the last edit at all. you're just being silly and are showing me why you should have no place here on Wikipedia. The fact is, we have two seasons with the SAME TITLE. Every season has it's own page. We can't make two pages with the same title so one has to be titled differently. While XY may not be it's very own actual series, it's still a generation series that anyone with a brain can see why the seasons within the generation series have Season 1, 2, 3, etc. label especially when there's no subtitle added for following seasons to be able to make separate pages. I don't see it as a problem. Every season starting with Season 6 is basically two seasons. Season 6 is both Season 1 of it's Advanced Generation series and it's the sixth of the overall show. The two XY seasons would be Seasons 17 and 18 of the overall show but Seasons 1 and 2 to the XY series arc. Not a huge issue you can't swallow. It's a good solution to solve here so that we have a Season 18 listing out on the main page because right now we can't get that with how it's sharing a page with the Season 17 listing unless there is an alternate way we can fix all of this. But as for the moment, my way seems good and it's not too bad to swallow. And besides, while the pages were labeled "Season 1" and "Season 2", the tables were still labeled "Season 17" and "Season 18" to account for their place in the overall show with all the seasons being counted up so it would still be clear this is a continuation of the greater Pokémon series. Get a grip Kirtz. You're shallow, cold, and a lazy pants for not even reading my stuff and getting this all through to your head. I hope many people agree with me and not you shallow one. - Jabrona (talk) 12:34, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You've got it all wrong. In light of your unprovoked personal attacks, I'm all for a page split. All I simply showed you was the mistake you made. Keeping in line with how episode lists are labelled when a technicality arises, appropriate titles would be either List of Pokémon: XY episodes (part 1) and List of Pokémon: XY episodes (part 2) or List of Pokémon: XY episodes (796—843) and List of Pokémon: XY episodes (844—present). With that being said, I shall now drop the stick I never even picked up in the first place —KirtZ Message 12:47, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Well then, Part 1 and Part 2 may have been suitable. I didn't think of that. But why not just move the titles rather than just have some one revert the whole thing? Surely you saw what I was trying to do here and having "Season 1" and "Season 2" wasn't so bad considering they are such for this generation series. To call this a mess was totally uncalled for. If you had taken the time to reads though my whole discussion with Cyphoidbomb perhaps you could have been more light on the subject and to me. - Jabrona (talk) 13:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It was reverted because there's only so far one can be bold. Since the two of us objected to the name changes, it was reverted.  It was a mess because it took an admin to get involved to undo it, rather than me simply hitting the undo button.  Page moves require care because of the potential mess it can create if you constantly move them.  Now for my idea, I'd like to +1 Kirt's proposal, and make an addition.  We keep the current page but move the tables to 2 new pages.  List of Pokémon: XY episodes (part 1) for Season 17 and List of Pokémon: XY episodes (part 2) for Season 18.  They get transcluded into List of Pokémon: XY episodes for both seasons.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 19:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm why keep the default XY page? —KirtZ Message 23:41, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * To reduce confusion. But I really don't care if we have the original page or not.—<sup style="color:pink;font-family:Courier">cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Be my Valentine:Online 00:41, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The transclusions default to the main list so we don't need an extra page. Make the split whenever you're ready. —KirtZ Message 02:00, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I have made the split and some adjustments to the summary. Also, I recommend moving the sunken ship episode to part 1.  It was originally suppose to air during that time.—<sup style="color:pink;font-family:Courier">cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Be my Valentine:Limited Access 03:12, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Good, I'm glad we finally solved this. I wish I had did the Part 1 and 2 label in the first place and perhaps none of this would have happened. Unfortunately, the Season 18 listing isn't appearing on the main page so perhaps I can fix that. Anyway, as for the sunken ship episode, while it may have originally to be aired in Season 17, it aired as a Season 18 episode especially in the dub form with the new opening and everything. Had it aired with the Season 17 opening then perhaps it could have been moved back but I don't think it can anymore. I believe it has to stay where it's at. I so think this episode could have been edited dub-wise to fit into continuity if they were going to give it the Season 18 opening. They could have removed all references to Ash going to seeing Grant and had the characters and the narrator say something else and whited out Ash's fletchling that didn't evolve yet and only appears for a cameo. - Jabrona (talk) 05:31, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That's the spot where TV Tokyo and more importantly, Cartoon Network both list it. The note attached to the episode explains it. Despite the timeline, its still a season 18 episode. Nothing we can do about that. —KirtZ Message 08:25, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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About the Japanese episode list/sublist template
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