Talk:Poker After Dark

Poker After Dark doesn't air on NBC is some areas
This is regarding this entry I just made:

"Poker After Dark airs on all NBC affiliates, except for affiliates located in Houston, Detroit, Austin, Memphis, Buffalo, and Albany. The NBC station in these areas airs infomercials in place of Poker After Dark."

I'd provide a good source if I could, but the only one I've found is mention of it on multiple poker forums and confirmation from multiple people I know, and that's not a very useful source. I can 100% attest that it doesn't air in the Detroit area though.

I've heard that its because these networks will not allow Full Tilt to show their commercials during this time due to the recent online poker legislation, and that any network that airs Poker After Dark would be required to show them, but I cannot confirm this so I didn't mention this in the article.

If anyone could find a good source referencing that some affiliates aren't airing Poker After Dark (and even better, why they aren't), that'd be great.

I'd wait until I found a good source before posting my entry, but this information is extremely relevent to the article, and many people coming to this page (myself included originally) are probably doing so to find out why they can't find this on TV in their area.

And I'd understand if someone deletes my entry since I can't find a good source to reference, but I hope they first put some effort into trying to help me find one.

Thanks, Funkadillo 08:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't air in the Albany, NY area either. they reair the 11:00 news

71.164.100.217 00:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * We've got it on the Youngstown, Ohio station but the director's cut didn't air on Saturday. Badagnani 07:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * We get it in Toronto via Buffalo's WGRZ affiliate, from 3:30-4:30 a.m. EST, so Buffalo DOES get it, right?

208.65.244.241 09:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

In regards to the recent entry: "An awkward schedule anomaly occurs on KUSA in Denver, who does air the program, but delays it until 2AM MT, when they are done showing infomercials (this station also put reruns of Cheers between The Tonight Show and Late Night for many years)." Is this really necessary? I mean in Vancouver, the show doesn't air until 3:30AM PST, but I'm not going to add it as an "anomaly"...

In regards to air schedules: Aside from any local laws, I believe it is up to local affiliates to decide if and when to air a program. In the Bay Area, two stations that carry NBC are close enough together such that some people can receive both transmissions. KSBW (Monterey/Salinas) and KRON (San Francisco) both carried NBC for a long time until semi-recently, KRON gave up its NBC affiliation and it was licensed to KNTV (San Jose). Before Poker After Dark, for many years, people who could receive both stations could see different programming on the two channels. For a long time, one of the channels, (I think it was KSBW) would run 'NBC All-Night' which repeated the week before's Leno and Conan. Meanwhile, the other might show other programs like syndicated re-runs or infomercials, and then later show parts or all of 'NBC All-Night' (or not at all). Presumably, if the tv station thinks it can make more money running other stuff, catering to local tastes, it will. Currently, KSBW shows the Director's Cut of Poker After Dark right after SNL ends (1am), while KNTV shows several other programs (Showtime at the Apollo, Arena Football, etc). Then (sometimes) at 3am, KNTV airs Poker After Dark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.237.65 (talk) 01:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Ratings
How are the ratings looking so far? Badagnani 07:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Episode guild
Wikipedia isn't a TV Guild, there is no need to list rebroadcast dates the only reason the the title of the epidodes are listed as Week of January 1 etc is because that's how the offical site refer to them as. ▪◦▪ ≡ЅiREX≡Talk 20:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, and have removed the re-broadcast dates column. -BaconLover 14:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Ladies' Week??
Somebody posted the Ladies' Week results. How is this possible, as Ladies' Week doesn't air until May?? Are these results accurate? Is there a source? BaconLover 13:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw clips of that show on a poker web site (probably Full Tilt) about 2 weeks ago, so the show was recorded a long time ago, and it's not inconceivable that the results would be leaked. I'd prefer removing the results though, since they are not sourced and the shows haven't aired yet. Mike in LA 06:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * agreed. removed the unnecessary spoilers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.165.36.227 (talk) 03:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

RFID cards?
I know there is a citation, but is it reliable? I see no evidence that the producers are able to determine what cards have been dealt before they are checked by the players; to the contrary, players are frequently reminded to show their hole cards to the cams.70.20.26.236 20:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I was wondering this as well. They never seem to show us the cards before the player looks, and they look to be standard KEM Casino cards. Lord Bodak 16:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I was about to edit this myself, since the RFID citation (mentioned only in the web "sneak-peak" article) really does not seem to be based on any verifiable source, and also seems very unlikely. Unlike what the article says, RFID would not be necessary to see the hole cards at home as a hand is played, since: a) the show is not broadcast live, so there is no requirement to have this automated to such an extent; b) Hole Cameras are used, and as mentioned above players are reminded to use them in some episodes; and c) the cards appear very normal, and RFID cards would likely be at least slightly thicker.  There also doesn't appear to be any company actually manufacturing such a product, though one at http://blog.trossenrobotics.com/index.php/2007/01/25/rfid-playing-cards/ has an 'experimenters' pack, at 1.5 inches thick (!).  So unless anyone gets some different information, I'm changing this next time I'm in the vicinity....  GGG65 02:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed the mention of RFID tags, because it was simply discounted supposition that was proved inaccurate by both common sense and by watching the show. No need for useless info.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 00:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

How the blinds grow, how PAD differs from other poker shows
Could someone find a reliable source that summarizes how the blinds grow over the course of the week? Specifically, what they start at, how often they grow, and by how much. It's worth noting because the rate of growth in the blinds is what's key to ensuring they have five hours worth of play time for the Monday-Friday shows.

I don't watch much televised poker other than PAD. So another thing I hope someone could contribute is how this show differs from the others. One difference that I know that matters is that PAD shows you all (almost all?) of the hands of the tournament, instead of just the highlights. IMHO that's one of its greatest assets, since that gives the audience a real sense of what these players do over the course of a series of games.

Another question: does PAD feature more Big Game players than the other shows? More ring game players than other shows? Is there another show (e.g. High Stakes Poker) that seems to feature the same set of players?

My suspicion is that even so late at night, NBC can offer more viewers than the average cable channel-based show, which could mean that it could attract a more highly-skilled (or at least better-known) participant that the average show.

Thanks in advance &mdash; 68.167.248.209 11:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC).


 * Question 1: Not sure how the blind structure works exactly, but it seems like the blinds grow every 15-20 minutes. EDIT: Actually, in Episode 55 of Season 2, Howard Lederer tells Ivey that the blinds go up after 35 minutes.


 * 2: The show differs from other poker shows for a variety of reasons. As you said, PAD features almost every hand played AND they also show the hands that are folded. Secondly, it is the only televised short-handed, one table, winner take all tournament, and it only features seasoned pros. Thirdly, the commentary is extremely limited, allowing viewers to listen to players' conversations, unlike other poker shows.


 * 3: PAD has featured most big-time pros, both Big Game regulars and tournament players. High Stakes Poker has featured the same players, although for obvious reasons, most players on HSP are high-stakes cash-game regulars.

Marcus1234 (talk) 11:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Conflicting data
In the never won table, it says Mike Matusaw has 6 appearances, yet in the Most appearances table it says he has 8. 71.171.126.104 (talk) 06:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's because 2 of the 8 episodes have yet to air. Marcus1234 (talk) 08:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No, that's because one of the figures is WRONG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.86 (talk) 06:28, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Placing versus Number of Hands
I think someone should look back at the episodes and, in addition to saying who finished in what place, also say how many hands they played before they were knocked out. Someone who finished in 6th place could still have played more hands than someone in another week who finished in 5th place, or even 4th place. I think that would make the article's series rankings more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.233.100 (talk) 08:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Dead Links
It appears the refrence links 6,7,8 are dead but i dont know how to handle this so i figure i point it out here for some one more knowledgeable to handle :D 70.160.86.246 (talk) 06:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Season 4, Week 1 Cash Game Results
I realize that cash games and tournaments are different animals, but perhaps instead of 'N/A' for 6th-through-1st placings, we could put the player that lost the most cash in 6th place, and go in ascending order to the player that won the most in 1st place. I don't see 'official' results anywhere online (pending the airing of the Director's Cut episode), but I pieced together the numbers from the fifth episode, starting with the chip count at the start of the episode and calculated the amount won and lost by each player in every aired hand (as well as bounty collection and a side bet). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckeyebrain (talk • contribs) 05:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If the win/loss amounts are available somewhere that would work (like player A, Player B +$74,000 etc) but i don't know of any, pokerafterdark.com doesn't give the details stats of the cash game, something I wish they would do on both this show and HSP, like a flashing a leaderboard from time to time then at the end.▪◦▪  ≡S i R E X≡  Talk 06:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah otherwise, it all feels sort of pointless doesn't it? :) --WoohookittyWoohoo! 15:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Stats updating
I've regenerated the "Stats" tables using a program written in Lua and the whole page as input. See the top of my talk page. --Wfaxon (talk) 23:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Extra Season 5 episodes
Unscheduled airings of shows: there are 4 episodes from season 5 that haven't been sheduled for tv, but are known about. "Top Guns" "Railbird Heaven" "The Magnificent Six" "USA vs. Italy" See the following site: http://www.fifthstreetjournal.com/2008/12/poker-after-dark-schedule-season-5.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.124.35.28 (talk) 06:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * They are now scheduled.
 * Week of September 7 - NEW SHOW (Top Guns Cash Game #1) Tom Dwan, Patrik Antonius, Howard Lederer, Eli Elezra, Ilari Sahamies, Phil Ivey
 * Week of September 14 - NEW SHOW (Top Guns Cash Game #2) Eli Elezra, Tom Dwan, Howard Lederer, Phil Ivey, Patrik Antonius, Ilari Sahamies
 * Week of September 21 - NEW SHOW (Magnificent Six) Phil Hellmuth, Chris Ferguson, Howard Lederer, Phil Ivey, Doyle Brunson, Daniel Negreanu
 * Week of September 28 - NEW SHOW (USA vs. Italy) Howard Lederer, Marco Traniello, Dario Minieri, Erick Lindgren, Max Pescatori, Chris Ferguson
 * Week of December 7 - NEW SHOW (Railbird Heaven Cash Game #1) Patrik Antonius, Daniel Negreanu, Gus Hansen, Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan, Phil Hellmuth
 * Week of December 14 - NEW SHOW (Railbird Heaven Cash Game #2) Tom Dwan, Gus Hansen/David Peat, Phil Ivey, Phil Hellmuth, Patrik Antonius,
 * --Wean0r (talk) 20:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this is season 6. PAD has two seasons per year. --24.119.32.80 (talk) 20:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It is still season 5, see . --Wean0r (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * IP editor 24.119.33.110 undid the revision by Wean0r, saying "that link in talk is incorrect. PAD has two seasons a year. Look at the rest of the article." I agree that relative to prior seasons, having these episodes be part of Season 5 is perhaps slightly illogical (Episode counts when split: 10-10-10-7-10-6), but that's clearly what the linked article from NBC Sports says.  It refers to "the finale of NBC’s fifth season of Poker After Dark" and "The sixth season of NBC’s Poker After Dark will begin in January, 2010, with thirteen new episodes set to be released."  Does anyone see anything to the contrary in that link or elsewhere?  Should we leave it as Seasons 5 & 6 until we see more info on the PAD website, or restore Wean0r's Season 5 version until then?  --Wfaxon (talk) 08:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * My thoughts: An official site (NBC Sports) says it is currently season 5, and season 6 will begin soon. The network that the show airs on should be a reliable source.  Also, just because in the past it was two per year doesn't necessarily mean it will always be that way.  Remember, the first 3 episodes of season 5 were delayed from season 4.  Had those been in 4, it would be 10-10-10-10-13, and the link does say season 6 will have 13 episodes.  As a compromise for now, perhaps we could call them 5A and 5B?  --Wean0r (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, just Season 5. Unless somebody with an official link objects by, say, tomorrow evening, let's revert to your version.  (Be sure to reference this discussion.)  We can always split it again if NBC changes its mind.  --Wfaxon (talk) 13:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I was probally wrong when I reversed Wean0r's edit. (I'm the anon user 24.119.32.80). More likely NBC simply had more episodes this year. So let's make it unanimous and just leave as is. --24.119.33.110 (talk) 00:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * New article on NBC confirms that the new season is season 6. --Wean0r (talk) 22:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

New season
 Week of January 4 - NEW IN HD (Commentators) Howard Lederer, Gabe Kaplan, Joe Sebok, Ali Nejad, Mark Gregorich, Kara Scott

Week of January 11 - NEW IN HD (Nicknames) Annette Obrestad, Mike Matusow, Antonio Esfandiari, Erick Lindgren, Phil Laak, Phil Hellumth

Week of March 15 - NEW IN HD (Cash Game 50k, Part 1) Chris Ferguson, Phil Hellmuth, Antonio Esfandiari, Brandon Adams, Todd Brunson, Mike Matusow

Week of March 22 - NEW IN HD (Cash Game 50k, Part 2) Todd Brunson, Mike Matusow, Phil Hellmuth, Brandon Adams, Antonio Esfandiari, Chris Ferguson

Week of April 19 - NEW IN HD (My Favorite Pro) Craig Ivey, James Ashby, Steve Bartlett, Phil Hellmuth, Jens Voertmann, Chris Ferguson

Week of April 26 - NEW IN HD (He Said, She Said) Erica Scoenberg, Jean-Robert Bellande, David Grey, Karina Jett, Mike Matusow, Annie Duke --Wean0r (talk) 19:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

broken link
link 17^ Poker After Dark Week 1 Recap from the NBC Sports website is broken GruffiGummi (talk) 13:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Not applicable rows
I replaced the "not applicable" rows in the results section with comments noting that no results are included for cash game weeks. Such rows do nothing but take up space, adding no information. I used anchors to help clarify what's going on. 67.100.127.4 (talk) 02:32, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Bad Math
It appears that in the "Most Appearances" table, the "Net Aired Winnings" column doesn't always take the buy-in into account. For example: Vanessa Rousso 	4 	4 	1st (x2) 	$200,000 This would appear to say she has 2 wins ($240,000) and subtract 4 buy-ins ($80.0000)it doesn't seem to foot. 173.48.112.48 (talk) 07:01, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Original Research Overkill
The tables at the end of the article have no citations and I think they are original research. I recommend that if there is no citation that shows that a reputable source has made such observations that the tables are completely removed. We saw this type of statistical-tables-original-research-overkill before at The South Park Episode article "Make Love Not Warcraft" and in the end the tables were removed because it was deemed original research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.25.139 (talk) 07:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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New Season - Game of Gold
With the recent release of ‘Game of Gold’ and it’s subsequent success, there should be an additional section for it beneath Season 13, as it is the latest addition to the Poker After Dark franchise.

I’m unable to make the edits myself, so I’m requesting that another editor make any edits or changes. I’ve provided a list of the sources I’ve found below, as well as a simple rough draft which can be edited or expanded upon as necessary. Rough Draft

==Game of Gold==

Game of Gold is a 12 episode poker reality series, co-produced by Poker After Dark and GGPoker. A part of the Poker After Dark franchise, the series premiered on November 10, 2023 on the GGPoker Youtube channel with episodes airing three times a week. Game of Gold features 16 professional and semi-professsional poker players including Daniel Negreanu, Jason Koon , and Fedor Holz competing across a range of poker formats for a grand prize of $456,000. Chris H (GGPoker) (talk) 07:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)