Talk:Polar route

Radiation
Does the polar route expose passengers to more radiation than equatorial routes? I recall reading that the Earth's magnetic field tends to deflect some types of radiation towards the poles. Popular scientific articles sometimes compare radiation doses to polar flights. If true, it may be a relevant detail for the article. 10:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep. For this reason, the magnetic pole is more meaningful. The northern one is in Canada. Maps of flights near the magnetic poles would be useful for the article. 97.104.70.92 (talk) 20:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Also, the amount of potentially carcinogenic radiation is compounded by altitude and solar storms.

Route not included in list
New York to Seoul at it's most northerly point
 * OZ221 / AAR221 Asiana Airlines
 * JFK New York
 * ICN Seoul


 * STD 1:00 PM EDT
 * ATD 1:42 PM EDT


 * STA 4:10 PM KST
 * ETA 3:41 PM KST

86.143.67.134 (talk) 00:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Aircraft(B772) Boeing 777-28E(ER)
 * Registration(71C254) HL8254
 * Altitude 36,000 ft
 * Vertical Speed 0 fpm
 * Speed 477 kt
 * Track 265°
 * Latitude 81.1847
 * Longitude -157.5506
 * Radar T-FAA2
 * Squawk N/A

Busy. Another airline. Same day, same route 2015-04-23 00:54 -- KE82 / KAL82 Korean Air -- JFK New York -- ICN Seoul -- STD 2:00 PM EDT -- ATD 2:29 PM EDT -- STA 5:20 PM KST -- ETA 4:23 PM KST

-- Aircraft(A388) Airbus A380-861 -- Registration(71BE27) HL7627 -- Altitude 36,000 ft -- Vertical Speed 0 fpm -- Speed 485 kt -- Track 270° -- Latitude 80.8508 -- Longitude -165.0222 -- Radar T-FAA3 -- Squawk N/A 86.143.67.134 (talk) 00:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Added the KE and OZ flights to the table. Note the great circle route of these is just south of 78 degrees N, but included them anyway. Perhaps the actual route taken by the aircraft goes a little north of the great circle path. Advanstra (talk) 15:02, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Removing lists of flights
Flights rarely operate very close to a great circle, at least not today with the modern weather forecasting programs available. Most flights operate on a path based on weather—avoiding severe weather, but more importantly following wind patterns. The lists of flights operating close to the poles is not only WP:Original research, it is far from accurate (especially the closest point/distance to the poles). The text of the article should say (and already does) what common city pairs polar flights travel between. I am moving the two lists below: List of current flight routes operating in the Arctic (within about 10° of the North Pole according to the great circle path):

List of current flight routes operating in the Antarctic region (within about 30° of the South Pole according to the great circle path):

AHeneen (talk) 01:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


 * There are many more southern ocean flights these days. See this map for routes and flight numbers. --- 79.74.131.29 (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, there have been many southern ocean routes over time. A [http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:purple%0D%0AFIMP-YMML%0D%0AFIMP-YSSY%0D%0ASAEZ-NZAA%0D%0ASAEZ-YSSY%0D%0ASAEZ-FAOR%0D%0ASAEZ-FACT%0D%0AYMML-FAOR%0D%0AFIMP-YSSY-YMML%0D%0AYSSY-YMML-FIMP%0D%0ASAEZ-NZAA-YSSY%0D%0ASAEZ-FACT-KUL%0D%0Ac:red%0D%0AFIMP-YPPH%0D%0ANZCH-YPPH%0D%0ANZAA-YPPH%0D%0ANZAA-SAEZ%0D%0ANZAA-SCEL%0D%0AYMML-SCEL%0D%0AYSSY-SCEL%0D%0AYSSY-FAOR%0D%0AYPPH-FAOR%0D%0ASBGR-FAOR%0D%0ASBGR-FNLU%0D%0ASBGL-FNLU%0D%0AYSSY-NZAA-SCEL%0D%0A%22South\nPole%22%2B@NZSP%0D%0A%22MAU440%0D%0AMAU441%0D%0A(MAU940)%0D%0A(MAU941)%22@mid(FIMP-YPPH)%0D%0A%22++ANZ161%0D%0A++ANZ162%0D%0ASAA7080%0D%0ASAA7081%22@44S128E%0D%0A%22ANZ175%0D%0AANZ176%0D%0AANZ177%0D%0AANZ178%22@29S133E%0D%0A%22++++++LAN800%0D%0A++++LAN801%0D%0A++QFA321%0D%0AQFA322%22@30S160E%0D%0A%22++++ANZ30%0D%0A++++ANZ31%0D%0AARG7450%0D%0AARG7451%22@57S138W%0D%0A%22LAN800%0D%0ALAN801%0D%0AQFA321%0D%0AQFA322%22@48S111W%0D%0A%22++LAN804%0D%0A++LAN805%0D%0AQFA5027%0D%0AQFA5028%22@59S160E%0D%0A%22++QFA27%0D%0A++QFA28%0D%0ALAN806%0D%0ALAN807%22@59S165W%0D%0A%22QFA63%0D%0AQFA64%0D%0A(SAA7700)%0D%0A(SAA7701)%22@mid(YSSY-FAOR)%0D%0A%22SAA280%0D%0ASAA281%0D%0A(SAA282)%0D%0A(SAA283)%0D%0AANZ3180%0D%0AANZ3181%0D%0AVOZ5020%0D%0AVOZ5021%0D%0ASAA5020%0D%0ASAA5021%0D%0A(QFA303)%0D%0A(QFA304)%22@mid(YPPH-FAOR)%0D%0A%22++SAA222%0D%0A++SAA223%0D%0A+(SAA224)%0D%0A+(SAA225)%0D%0AONE4250%0D%0AONE4251%0D%0A++++and%0D%0ATAM8058%0D%0ATAM8059%0D%0ALAN8058%0D%0ALAN8059%22@28S4E%0D%0A%22DTA745%0D%0ADTA746%0D%0ADTA747%0D%0ADTA748%0D%0ADTA749%0D%0ADTA750%22@19S10W%0D%0A%22DTA741%0D%0ADTA742%0D%0ADTA743%0D%0ADTA744%22@19S25W%0D%0A%22(MAU942)%22@mid(FIMP-YSSY)%0D%0A%22(MAU943)%22@mid(YMML-FIMP)%0D%0A%22(ARG1180)%0D%0A(ARG1181)%0D%0A(ARG1182)%0D%0A(ARG1183)%0D%0A(ARG1184)%0D%0A(ARG1185)%0D%0A++++and%0D%0A(QFA17)%0D%0A(QFA18)%22@70S85W%0D%0A%22(SAA226)%0D%0A(SAA227)%22@mid(SAEZ-FAOR)%0D%0A%22(MH201)%0D%0A(MH202)%22@mid(SAEZ-FACT)%0D%0A%22(MH201)%0D%0A(MH202)%22@mid(FACT-kul)%0D%0A%22(VA15)%0D%0A(VA16)%22@51S100E%0D%0A&PM=e:disc7%2B%25U,pm:disc7%2B%22%25U%228.5:blue&MS=wls2&MP=o&MC=75S45E&PC=red&RC=navy&DU=km more detailed map] --- 92.5.183.155 (talk) 11:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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Factual dispute tag
Greetings! It seems in June 2021, you added the Disputed tag to this article, with the edit summary: "Air France started the flight between Beijing and Paris from 1966, and Transworld Air started to fly to Shanghai from 1980." Nothing in the article seems to contradict these claims, so I don't see where there's a factual dispute? If I'm missing something, it might be helpful to explain here and tag the specific part of the article that's disputed. I didn't add either of these claims to the article, because no references were supplied, but perhaps you have those available? -- Beland (talk) 07:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid there is: "During the Cold War, the Arctic region was a buffer zone between the Soviet Union and North America. Civilian flights from Europe to the Asian Far East were prohibited from crossing the Eastern Bloc countries, Soviet Union or China". If there were flights going to and from cities in China, how could civilian flights be "prohibited from crossing ... China"? Johnson.Xia (talk) 16:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The first airline from outwith the communist bloc to get landing rights in China post-WW2 was PIA, in August 1963; services seem to have actually begun in 1964. I suspect the airlines of the capitalist running dogs and lickspittle lackeys of gangster imperialism had to wait a while longer – certainly BOAC/BA weren’t overflying China on their LHR<->Hong Kong route in the early 1970s.  Mr Larrington (talk) 01:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)