Talk:Polatlı–Konya high-speed railway

Requested move 27 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: Discussion reached rough consensus in support of move (non-admin closure) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 00:06, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Ankara–Konya high-speed railway → Polatlı–Konya high-speed railway – The railway branches of the Istanbul-Ankara high-speed railway at Polatli. From Polatli to Ankara, the railway is the Istanbul-Ankara high-speed railway, NOT the Ankara-Konya high-speed railway. The start of this railway is at Polatli, not Ankara. Central Data Bank (talk) 10:09, 27 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   11:23, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Now from what I found, it seems the first question may be answered with: yes, separate tracks seem to end at a switch near Kocahacılı, Polatlı, per RailTurkey. Secondly, at least in the construction phase, the railway has been considered running from Polatlı to Konya only, with a length of 212 km, per two of the construction companies (1, 2, but more importantly this one) plus this book. Operationally, we don't know without official material from TCDD. Thirdly, however, "Ankara–Konya" clearly seems to be the railway's WP:COMMONNAME, as reflected by the article title in the Turkish Wikipedia (tr:Ankara-Konya yüksek hızlı demiryolu) and all other versions. This will be due to the fact that YHT trains run all the way from Ankara through Polatlı to Konya. All in all, I don't have any strong objection against the RM, but would leave it to others to weigh in. --PanchoS (talk) 23:24, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak support. The problem is that you failed to understand that your claim is useless, unless you're providing evidence in the form of WP:RS that support your claim. You also fail to see that at least two aspects have to be balanced: The first aspect is whether the railway tracks physically end at a switch near Polatlı or not. Even if it does, the second aspect is whether the railway is still considered to start in Ankara, sharing tracks and corresponding chainage with the Ankara–Istanbul high-speed railway. Even if it isn't, a third aspect would be whether the railway's WP:COMMONNAME is "Ankara–Konya railway" anyway.


 * Strong support. Personally I don't think the claim is useless. The main reason is that the article is about the railway itself and not different YHT routes operating on it. When we look at the Official Map of TCDD, we can see that the Konya line clearly starts at Polatlı (the zero point of the line). To me, we also shouldn't base ourselves to Turkish wiki for the common name. Because usually people in Turkey are confusing the line with the routes (and some politics deliberately to try to show like if they were working hard). If you check, there is also an other high-speed railway article for YHT trains running from Konya to Eskişehir and it's presented like a separate line but it isn't. It's the same Polatlı-Konya railway that is used.  And in the same logic sometimes official TCDD articles aren't reliable neither (at least for me as a railfan). They've created a project page for YHTs operating between Istanbul and Konya. But to start this route they didn't do any true construction/work. It was only train sets reorganization, and I think we shouldn't create a new article for every different route with different stops (except for really special ones, which is not the case here). And one last point. I guess that keeping the name Ankara-Konya contributes to misunderstanding of the true extent/lenght of the network. Because in the past some people were even adding up the lines' lengths by counting common sections two time like if there were a separate railway line. The misunderstanding will get worse with future lines like calling the Bursa-Bilecik line Ankara-Bursa or the Yerköy-Kayseri line Ankara-Kayseri. I think for the naming of the railway lines we should use the name of a big city (Bursa, Sivas, Kayseri, Ankara. etc.) only if the line starts/ends within or next to it (like Ankara-Istanbul). And if it is a new branch line (like to Bursa, Kayseri or Samsun) which is also the case here (to Konya), the title should include the name of the district in which the line starts/ends (like Polatlı for the Konya line, Osmaneli for the Bursa line or Yerköy for the future Kayseri line). I believe that by that mean we will be more accurate. --Nezo90 (talk) 14:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


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