Talk:Police Regiment Centre/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Chetsford (talk · contribs) 07:39, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * This is as far as I can get at the moment. I will be going to the library this weekend anyway so will check the sources then and circle back. Chetsford (talk) 08:16, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a very well-written, well-researched, neat and concise article that - in my opinion - represents a full treatment of the subject to the extent that such a treatment is possible without the nom himself conducting WP:OR. As mentioned above, however, I'll ask for a second opinion before passing as there were a couple sources I could not access. Plus, there are at least two other editors who seem to have an interest in, and greater knowledge of, the subject of the article. Chetsford (talk) 20:34, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review so far. If there are any questions about the sources, I'd be happy to answer them. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:05, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Generally, if the source you are trying to access is a physical book or requires a paid membership to access, it is acceptable to assume good faith. Let me know if you have any other questions!-- Dom497 ( talk ) 03:29, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Dom497 - thanks so much ... this was my inclination but I wanted to get some validation that it would be a correct course of action which, I think, you've provided! K.e.coffman - since this is a somewhat complex subject, if you don't mind I'll let it sit with the second opinion tag open for another day or two (in case anyone has any issues I wasn't able to detect) and then, assuming there's no further feedback, promote it. Chetsford (talk) 05:25, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * , my point (on the talk page) about the non-genocidal work this regiment performed has, I think, been addressed in terms of coverage. One thing I would suggest needs a little more explanation at the beginning of the body is what the Orpo was, its putative role, and how it was recruited. This goes to understanding that many of these atrocities were committed by what were ordinary public order police. A bit more context wouldn't hurt in that regard, and I don't think the link to Orpo suffices. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:27, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * K.e.coffman - would it be possible to add a background section that communicates a brief overview of the Orpo? Chetsford (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Will do; please give me a couple of days to formulate it. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:10, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Additions
I added two new sections, with new and restructured material:
 * Police_Regiment_Centre
 * Police_Regiment_Centre.

I still need to add a bit on the purpose of the unit; I'll do this tomorrow. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm done with the expansion at this point. --K.e.coffman (talk) 03:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've checked the additions as far as they can be checked and see no issues with sourcing, MOS, grammar, etc. The only possible issue is this line - "ready to serve the regime's aims of conquest and racial annihilation" - seems a bit emotive. Could it possibly be toned down to something like "to serve the German government's strategic aims" or something? Maybe it's fine as-is, though. Since Peacemaker67 previously weighed-in here, I'll ping him for his thoughts. Short of this, though, I think it's ready for GA. Chetsford (talk) 00:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I feel that in this case, the language is appropriate. Below are some examples from Westermann (I'm currently reading it so it's fresh in my mind, but that's pretty much the language in any book on Barbarossa). From the foreword by Dennis Showalter (pp. xiii–xiv): From Westermann proper, "Introduction" (pp. 3–5): ...you get the idea -- and that's only up to page 5. I thus prefer to keep the current language as I find it to be factual, rather than emotive. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:34, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
 * "...in what is arguably best understood as a racial war with military elements that began in 1933 and ended only with the regime's annihilation in 1945."
 * "[By 1941, Orpo policemen] had become part of the organisational culture of genocide..."
 * "The trail of atrocities that the police battalions left in their wake (...) was part of a premeditated campaign of annihilation, ordered from the Reich's summit, and privileged at all levels".
 * "... the Einsatzgruppen entered the Soviet Union on a mission of conquest, exploitation, and extermination".
 * "During Hitler's "crusade" in the Soviet Union, Himmler's police emerged as one of the primary instruments for the conduct of racial war, and the transformation of these men from civil servants into political soldiers offers a key insight on how men become murderers in support of an atavistic and malevolent campaign of destruction".
 * Okay, seems fine to me then. Passed to GA. Chetsford (talk) 02:07, 1 February 2018 (UTC)