Talk:Police surveillance in New York City

Context and notability of subject
I considered this topic to be of importance to discuss within its own article (rather than a subset of NYPD or Domain awareness system) for several reasons:


 * the NYPD has a long history of surveillance which is large enough to warrant being separated from the main NYPD article
 * This history is independent from the current incarnation of surveillance (DAS)
 * the surveillance technology in NYC is setting a precedent for the nation, and being exported to other cities locally and abroad.

always willing to discuss further --Tecuixin (talk) 21:13, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Neutrality
I am doing my best to maintain neutrality, but I realize this is a controversial subject and so other folks might disagree. Please don't take my long list of edits as me standing on my soapbox (I've just had a lot of spare time recently). Please join me in edits and change the content to be more neutral or add contrasting information if you find any. My goal is to collect accurate information on this subject on wikipedia. My talk page is always open if you want to discuss any of my changes there. Tecuixin (talk) 13:11, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Data points
I'm a bit unsure what "billions of data points" means or if it is a meaningful measurement, or how it compares to other historic means of surveillance. Is there something in Units of information that might be more useful?--Pharos (talk) 13:59, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a great point! This section was written based off of this data from citation 1:


 * "The amount of information in DAS constitutes a big data problem. Audio gunshot detectors, 911 calls, license plate readers, closed-circuit television cameras, and environmental sensors all feed real-time data into DAS. As of April 2016, it also contains the following records: two billion readings from license plates (with photos), 100 million summonses, 54 million 911 calls, 15 million complaints, 12 million detective reports, 11 million arrests, two million warrants, and 30 days of video from 9,000 cameras. All of these sensors and records are accessible easily from the DAS inter- face. Text records are searchable via an indexed search engine."


 * EDIT - also this from the same doc describes the license plate readings per day (also FYI this doc was published in 2019):
 * "This triggered our OCR algorithms to check every scanned license plate, which now number approximately three million per day across both mobile and fixed detectors."


 * Wondering how best to synthesize this information Tecuixin (talk) 15:10, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * To me, the most interesting things there are the license plate photos and the cctv videos, the rest are records that would exist anyway but are now more accessible to search.--Pharos (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I gave it a shot and changed it to "the New York City Police Department developed a large and sophisticated array of surveillance technologies, generating large collections of data including billions of license plate readings and weeks of security footage from thousands of cameras. This data is now used in the department's day-to-day operations, from counterterrorism investigations to resolving domestic violence complaints" Any thoughts? Tecuixin (talk) 17:35, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

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The NYPD 'reselling drugs' - undue weight?
The source only mentions two isolated incidents - one, in which a police officer was accused of perjury and one, in which another stood accused of breaking into houses without a warrant. Both happened nearly 30 years ago and nowhere does the article show that the NYPD had a habit of reselling drugs - either at the time it was written (the 90s) or in the past.

The use of this source as a justification for a sentence in the lead that claims the NYPD used surveillance for "nefarious" purposes such as "reselling drugs" appears to me to violate Wikipedia policies, such as WP:PROPORTION.

Best regards, Goodposts (talk) 19:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * A week has passed and I've seen no objection, so I'm removing it. Best regards, Goodposts (talk) 18:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Update article
Can anyone update the article with information about the POST act? ~ ~ ~ ~ Squ1rrelwithagun (talk) 21:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)