Talk:Policing of the Corrib gas protests

Comment
Apologies for the lack of references, but I can't remember how to cut and paste with this laptop. Will try to sort it out soon; if anyone else cares to help out in the meantime, many of the required references are in the linked articles. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 14:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

POV
The article at present is very non-neutral. Lots of unsourced sweeping statements -- all against the Garda and all in favour of the protest. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 20:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've started a cleanup of this article to remove Weasel Words, hyperbole, unsubstantiated claims and POV. Could anyone editing this please pay particular attention to the fact that the name of the police force of the Republic or Ireland is the Garda Siochana and stop refering them as police but instead using correct terms, Garda and Gardaí.   G  ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 20:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It needs it, I finished repairing the Solitaire article and trimmed some overblown stuff on the Mayo article and might turn to one of the other members of this Mayo-Gas complex. Good point re Garda and Gardai -- surprises me that people who edit these articles are/t cogniscent of that fact.Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 23:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Changes made are same reasons as mentioned intitially. Also as pre Cathar, please stop refering to Gardaí as police G  ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 16:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of unsourced claims
I've removed this piece of text which is making an unsourced claim:-
 * ''This has resulted in a situation where County Mayo, the region with the lowest crime rate in the Republic of Ireland, has the state's highest rate of complaints against Gardaí.

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I am doing so on the basis of this article here which details complaints to the Ombudsman Commision which clearly proves otherwise:- 

Slack
The coverage of this summer's controversial policing is a bit slack, and why is there no mention of the people convicted before Harrington and Harnett? Now that I think of it, what has their convictions got to do with policing? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Because they came about as a result of policing? Could you please stop your edit warring and instead turn your attention to RFAR?  G  ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 16:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You didn't answer my first point or my first question, and your reply to my second is on the weak side; lots of thing result from policing. This is the first time I've edited this article in over four months; how on earth do you consider that "edit-warring"? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 14:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Please stop your tactic of drawing people into long drawn on debates on tangental points. While you aren't edit warring on this particular article, you certainly are warring aggressively on several others at the moment. Your energy would be far better directed by engaging at the RFAR. First by making a statement and then by backing it up wth evidence. As you seem to be satisfied that your current course of actions are justified then you should have no problem in backing it up. G ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 16:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Beautiful. You won't even make a token effort to defend your edits, as this would mean "long drawn on debates". For an aggressive edit warrior such as yourself, I find your accusations deeply hypocritical. If you can't defend your edits, I suggest you have a good hard think about them. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 13:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sigh... Once again, please no more PAs. I'd remind you to "comment on the content and not the contributor" but I'm pretty sure you will ignore it.

A reasonable person would agree that the jailings are a result of the Garda operation. These two are notable as they are individuals who have become high profile spokespeople for the campaign. If you wish the see details of more convictions prior to these please add them. If I were a cynic, I would say the real reason you wont do this and don't want this info in Wikipedia is that "you just don't like it", its a good job I'm not a cynic. Again I would suggest that your energy is best directed to the RFAR. G ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 15:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Given some of the things you have written about me, I find your opening statement deeply hypocritical. I don't dispute the jailings are a result of the police operation; that's a red herring. I can add details of other convictions; the fact you didn't strikes me as indicative of your lack of knowledge of the topic. I didn't say that I "don't want this info in Wikipedia", in fact the opposite is true, and I can't think of any edits of mine (e.g. the blanking, of which you are so fond) that may have given you the impression that I don't. I'm just not sure this is the most relevant place for it, and you're doing a poor job of convincing me. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 14:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

If you wished to refute my opening statement on the RFAR, you had ample opportuntiy to do so but you simply neglected to engage with the process. If you want to debate on this now then please do so on the RFAR. As you are obviously not voluntarily ceasing edit this topic you may as well go ahead and introduce the convictions of other protesters either in this article or another appropriate article. G ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 15:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If I have time, I'll get around to your statement. Please understand my difficulty in this regard; there are three such statements, and replying to them with the care they deserve is time-consuming for one person. I have already replied to Steve's, as you know. It's unclear what you're suggesting I debate. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 13:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no such organisation as the police in the republic. They are are garda s. or gardai plural. Rossport 5 were jailed for civil contempt of court at the request of shell etc.Cathar11 (talk) 15:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no such organisation as "The Police" in any country I know of. Rest assured I know exactly why the Rossport Five were jailed. 13:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Lapsed Pacifist (talk)

GSOC
Currently there is a just a recommendation to discipline a senior Garda. At this point it seems premature to add info on a disciplinary procedure in process when the person hasnt even been named officialy. I think this needs to be pared back and if (or when) this happens, it will probably quite a large story in itself, thoughts? G ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 13:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Changes can be made when further information becomes available, Please remember there are many more complaints before the GSOC regarding their conduct at protests which are still not dealt with.Cathar11 (talk) 13:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It just seems to be jumping the gun slightly as there is only recommendation currently. To me the time to add it would be when some sort of discimplinary procedure is enacted. I would imagine at that point be extremely notable  G  ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 13:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There will not necessarily be any further action taken or name disclosed. The GSOC action is newsworthy and relevant in itself Cathar11 (talk) 13:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeh, I read that, we'll see how it pans out. I retitled the section and just put in a bit to clarify that they haven't named him yet  G  ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 13:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Please post only encyclopedic information that can be verified by external sources. Please maintain a neutral, unbiased point of view.
Those who wrote this article can not have read on iota of the Wikipedia rules about unbiased and encyclopedic content. Nothing, virtually nothing, is verified by external sources. If someone, like me, who never herd anything about these events reads this article, it all comes out as biased nonsence. LUKE 84.23.155.84 (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)