Talk:Polish National Catholic Church

Effects of John Paul II's papacy
I would like to hear from someone more knowledgeable than myself about how this group has been affected by the elevation of a Polish Cardinal to the papacy over twenty-five years ago and whether patriotic loyalities and considerations have trumped any theological ones.


 * This needs to be rewritten by (someone who is very close to/knowledgeable about the situation) so it no longer starts with a discussion of what the church no longer is but rather what it is now and get into history later in to the article. Rlquall 14:15, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

About a year ago, I spoke with a local Polish National Catholic Church priest regarding the current status and membership of the PNCC. He told me that, while there may have been some minor loss in members due to the election and long papal reign of Pope John Paul II, he thought more membership declines could be attributed to the effects of Vatican II (Mass in local languages), intermarriages with non-PNCCs, and PNCC members moving to areas where there is no PNCC church. Also, each successive generation is less Polish American than the previous one. (User: thomon16)

comments in wrong place
The following unsinged comments were placed on the article page itself, instead of on the talk page. They were posted by User:64.12.116.13. I moved them here. --Briancua 22:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

"but progress toward unification stopped abruptly when the PNCC was not willing to abandon former Roman Catholic priests who had left to marry and been received into the PNCC" No such demands were ever made by the Roman Catholic Church of the PNCC. In dialogue sessions it was said that if the time came for a formal rapprochement or union, on the contrary, these former Roman Catholic priests would probably have to be "grandfathered" in with an understanding that no others would be admitted under these circumstances.

Why is History being deleted?
An unsigned-on user has deleted much of the history of the PNCC, most all of it well-documented from a very respected source (Frank S. Mead's Handbook of Denominations). Why delete info about the church's origins, i.e. why these Catholics pulled out from the Roman Catholic Church? This is critical to the PNCC's identity. Why delete the fact that clergy are married, and that masses were conducted in the vernacular? Unless there's a valid reason for deleting this history, I'm going to add it back. Timotheos 20:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I was brought up in the PNCC but have not been a member for 30 years. Still, I closely follow PNCC events. John Paul II's papacy I think had little effect on people leaving the PNCC. Most of their losses come from intermarriage, members moving to no-PNCC areas, the fact that Christian denominations are losing members as a whole, and the fact that there is less ethnic emphasis among white Americans today. I had 2 aunts and several cousins who left the church because they married Roman Catholics, despite the tradition of the man leaving his church to join the woman's. The RC families would in no way accept the PNCC, so it was leave your church or I won't marry you.

When RC church got a Polish Pope I thought the PNCC would shortly rejoin the RC church, but it didn't happen, only a much closer relationship including intercommunion and ongoing reunification discussions. I do expect a qualified reunification to happen within the next 20 or so years. Part of it I think will be financial. The RC church just has more money to support it operations. When this happens, the PNCC will split 3 ways. There is a conservative-liberal tug going on as there is in most institutions. The conservatives favor rejoining the RC, the liberals favor continued independence. Throughout its history the PNCC was known for its liberal, almost socialist stance. It did away with the Latin mass 100 years ago, allowed priests to marry, gave a greater voice to laity in church finances and selection of bishops. Radical at the time. Around the late 70s and early 80s the PNCC hierarchy took a definite turn to the conservative side. It was in intercommunion with the Episcopal Church but ended that when Episcopals started ordaining women, also dropped out of the Old Catholic Utrecht Union over the same issue plus the whole gay issue.

So if the reunification happens the greater part of the membership will probably go along with it, a substantial minority will vote to remain independent as the PNCC and struggle along, and many others will join a different denomination, Protestant or Episcopalian.

Myszkowiak 15:17, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

excommunication
Pope John Paul II reopened communication with the PNCC, so they are no longer excommunicated 75.75.134.85 16:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Communication with the PNCC has nothing to do with excommunication. Any Roman Catholic who joins the PNCC is excommunicated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.154.121 (talk) 08:34, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

PNCC SYMBOL
can someone who knows how to use this site please post a picture of the PNCC symbol, which can be found on most if not all PNCC websites...thank you...

Talk:Personal ordinariate
Apart from the Traditional Anglican Communion, the article should really consider verifying whether groups such as the Polish National Catholic Church have ever sought a similar canonical structure to the proposed personal ordinariates. ADM (talk) 18:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Membership
"In 2009 the Church had some 25,000 members in the United States (although a recent census of the PNCC shows less than 10,000)".

When was the recent census? Where is the documentation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.154.121 (talk) 08:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Possible error in article
Article says:
 * Private confession is required for all members under the age of sixteen, while public confession is a part of every Mass.

Surely that should read over not under! It seems completely back to front as written! (I don't actually know PNCC's practices, but the inverse would be broadly consistent with what other churches, including the RCC, do, while the way it is written it sounds like a bit of a peculiar practice.) 60.225.114.230 (talk) 10:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it looks very dubious. I can find nothing about it on their own website. I have cn-tagged it. If no citation is forthcoming I suggest deletion. Vilĉjo (talk) 16:47, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It looks dubious but the article does go on to say that adults may avail themselves of private confession if they wish. What is the public confession? Is it different from the Confiteor?174.117.133.103 (talk) 22:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

"The PNCC permits divorced people to participate fully in the Mass"
Is there any church that doesn't? --174.117.133.103 (talk) 22:57, 5 February 2020 (UTC)