Talk:Politics of Taiwan/Archive 1

Fighting
What about a couple lines regarding Taiwanese Politicians being renown for taking off their clothes and duking it out. GeneralChan (talk) 07:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Templates
I don't see the need for a footer template. I think that the side thing will suffice. On small pages, it adds clutter, and on large pages, well, it also adds clutter.

I think we should remove them. --Richman271 00:57, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I added the name of some more very minor political parties. I got the list from the ROC Government Information Office website. There are many listed I only used the ones that I could find English Translations for. --- I redid the list of political parties to make it roughly in order of strength. Also changed Chinese New Party to New Party. Also added content about Taiwan's voting system.

The Wade-Giles in the administrative divisions section needs to be converted to the for each locality uses. --Jiang

No home at all for Old Guard?
I have been struck by the recent characterization of the fundamental division in politics on Taiwan as between those who favor a permanently independent Taiwan and those who support the PRC government,with the KMT and PFP both called "pro-Beijing".Is none of the parties listed a natural home for the traditional opponents of the Taiwanese-nationalist current,namely unreconstructed Chiang Kai-shek fans longing to invade and destroy the PRC?I'd be amazed if such sentiments had vanished completely.--L.E/le@put.com/ 12.144.5.2 04:51, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Old Guards were promised lands and special privileges by the Chiang Kai-shek to destroy PRC back in the old days. Now, PRC are giving the same special privieges to the ROC people. Of course, they are going to kiss upon feet of PRC and lick their asses. If they were to fought for ideal like democracy, China would have them long ago, but these small ROC over-privileges people are more concern on swindle the poor Chinese dry in their workshops than giving them the same privieges they have. I'm not a bit of surprise that people in Taiwan would rather be independent if not for the PRC military threat.

Iron_Jackal_Tw

A 20 year-old who left China for Taiwan in 1949 would now be 79 years old. As a result, there is virtually no one on the island under that age (or so) who wants any government from the mainland to have the least degree of control over anything on the island. DOR (HK) (talk) 07:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

mainland trade
Instantnood removed the words "and Hong Kong" in this edit with the edit summary "Taiwan and HK trade directly". Which, of course, misses the point. Taiwan doesn't trade directly with the mainland. An overwhelming majority of trade destined for the mainland goes THROUGH Hong Kong, as well as most of the trade TO Hong Kong being destined for the mainland. Taiwan doesn't (and can't) keep direct statistics of mainland trade so it estimates how much of it's trade goes to the mainland by subtracting a proportional amount from it's trade with Hong Kong.

Thus, I'm going to restore that deletion. I'm going to change it to "through Hong Kong" instead of "and Hong Kong". SchmuckyTheCat 21:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * True... but then can we make sure that figure is only for Taiwan-mainland trade through Hong Kong, not including those going through Macau, South Korea or Japan, for instance? &mdash; Instantnood 05:53, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * IT IS A QUOTE FROM A GOVERNMENT AGENCY AND IT IS HOW THAT AGENCY CALCULATES IT. Are you even reading the context of this sentence or do you just see Hong Kong and mainland near each other and start deleting?  What's wrong with you? "The ROC Board of Foreign Trade estimates that indirect trade between Taiwan and the mainland through Hong Kong, reached about $22.5 billion in 1998"  Why don't you go arguing with the The ROC Board of Foreign Trade? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? SchmuckyTheCat 06:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * There's no external source presented showing what the figure is referring to. &mdash; Instantnood 07:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It's true substantial amount of the indirect trade between them goes through Hong Kong, but the amount going through Macau and other East Asian countries is not insignificant. Anyways I've replaced it with the 2004 figure (linked from ) from the Bureau of Foreign Trade website. (FYI, There's separate statistics for Hong Kong and Macao   on the website.) &mdash; Instantnood 07:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Since this seems to be the target of frequent vandalism, i vouch for some sort of secured-editing method ?

GA Failed
I failed this article for one main reason - the lack of inline citations from section five and on. There's also a citation needed tag in the "Current Political Issues" section. Cheers, Corvus   coronoides  21:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

liberal vs conservative
The term "liberal" was recently removed as a description for the DPP, while the term "conservative" was left as a descriptive term for the KMT.

I'm not sure either term is terribly useful, as their definitions seem to vary not only from place to place and time to time but also from person to person.

However, the theme that seems to generally fit in most places and times is that conservatives prefer to keep things as they are while liberals seek change. The DPP was born out of a desire to change the ROC. The DPP has consistently pushed for fundamental changes like rewriting the constitution or at least reforming it, to reform the judiciary, the change the names of places and organizations throughout Taiwan, to nationalize health care, to clean up the environment etc.. And while some may argue that the DPP has been unsuccessful in changing the culture of corruption, it was the DPP that made it an issue.

The KMT tries to keep things as they are. This is no surprise given that the KMT had 40 years of authoritarian one-party rule to make things they way they want them. So of course the KMT tries to limit change.

We can ditch the labels for both parties or keep the labels for both parties, but we should do so consistently from party to party. Readin (talk) 01:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I overlooked the "conservative" label. I meant to remove both labels.


 * I have great difficulties in accepting DPP as liberal. They are probably only liberal in pushing for Taiwan independence. But in the traditional western view of liberalism, they are certainly not. The DPP abolished the system of legal prostitution, the DPP is gay and lesbian unfriendly (DPP opposes gay marriages, while the KMT does not object to gay marriages) and the DPP opposes legalising gambling in Penghu. It appears nowadays, KMT pushes for environmentalism, social welfare and easier access to universal healthcare further than the DPP with their new policies.


 * I think the DPP started from being liberal and it still wishes to be perceived that way but they lost that value somewhere alone the way.--pyl (talk) 05:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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