Talk:Poly-Play

What?
I hate to be a killjoy, but does anyone understand what this article is about? What exactly is a Polyplay? The article, in its current state, doesn't explain it at all. It sounds somewhat techy, but that's about it. Can someone help out here? &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 15:08, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * According to Pac-Man, it is a Soviet pirate Pac-Man cabinet. Boffy b 23:29, 2004 Aug 14 (UTC)

Babelfish?
I presume the article was ported from the German wikipedia using some kind of automated translation. I have gone through it and I think I'v figured what most means, but am still puzzled by: any ideas? Boffy b 23:29, 2004 Aug 14 (UTC)
 * "Whereby one generally assumed that, which is to a very large extent tolerated this."
 * "the crush was then very high"

i mean: sorry my english is not best. can you my Picture here upload? i have here not account. thx -Ash-
 * "everyone tolerated those 1Pfennig-Cheaters, because the machine was not commerce"
 * "only if too many played at the automat (10Player and more) the InsertCoin re-activated"
 * Thank you, it makes sense now. I got most of it first time round, and anyway, your English is a lot better then my German! And a picture is always welcome, where is it from? What is the copyright status of it? I see it is from MAME, did you take it yourself?
 * yes a I liked more Popeye, Mr. Do und Pacman, Centipede and Gigas ;] The copyright status ist 100% free, because the country is away and the enterprise also. Many say the Wolf ate it. -Ash-
 * I am not sure about it. I researched a little bit for my VEB Polytechnik article, and it seems like the legal successor of the company is the Polytechnik Frankenheim GmbH. Or at least they got the overhead projector business.. I don't know what happened to intellectual property rights of the GDR companies after the german unifcation. --Tjansen 13:02, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Break it up!
I suggest breaking up the screenshots into 4 seperate images. A polyimage, such as that one, are not standard practice. It'd also give the added benefit of being able to make out the images in the thumbnail size. As it is, you have to click on the image in order to make anything sensible out of it. Just MHO... &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 17:51, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)


 * Done! Although i only presumed the objective is to shoot the moose/ducks, has anyone here played on one of these? It's included in MAME, apparently. Boffy b 23:06, 2004 Aug 22 (UTC)


 * I have all played, when you make 2000 Points in Hase und Wolf or 50 Hits in Hirschjagd, you may call yourself professional ;) those are there deer, no moose. -Ash-


 * I offer you my sincerest apologies sir(or madam?), my resident deer/moose expert is on a business trip. You seem not to have an account, yet on this article at least, you are very active. Why not sign up? Join us, it won't hurt. Was it you who added the extra screentshots. The really complete the article(as much as anything's ever complete on a wiki), thank you. Boffy b

Name
Most of the online sources I have found call this machine 'Poly Play', two words. A photograph of the machine in Swindon's Music of Computing supports this: - User:Ashley Pomeroy:Ashley Pomeroy


 * Go ahead and move the article then (be sure to use the "Move this page" button). Also, please sign your posts (I added your sig to your post above).  You can do this with 3 or 4 tildes (  or  ).  The latter is preferred, however, as it also adds a timestamp. :-)   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 22:12, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

External links section
I have had to place the external links section above the games table, as I could not get it to go at the bottom, is this a bug in the table or in Mediawiki? Boffy b 13:06, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)


 * Fixed. It was missing the opening and ending   tags.   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 18:14, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

More Poly Play exists
I just changed some Information on the page regarding existing machines. We have two working machines in my club RetroGames e.V in South-Germany. I will try to make some Photos of the machines. --Lenno 08:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Not Public Domain
The claim that Poly Play is in the public domain is false. According to German copyright law, copyright can't get lost, since it's tied unchangeably to the author. So if some legal successor should be missing (which I doubt), copyright has fallen back to the authors themselves. That at the time and place of authorship there was a different jurisdiction does not change anything about that. Copyright has not been lost. Please don't spread the false rumor. --Rtc 20:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Who's the author? --Golbez 20:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't say, but it's irrelevant. Obviously it has been created by a human or several humans, and copyright will last until 70 pma of the last surviving one. "who would sue?" is a good question, but that the rights holder might be unclear is not really important. It's a matter of fact that some rights holder exist, be it the authors, be it a legal successor of the company, and thus it cannot be in the public domain. --Rtc 20:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't call things "harmful". Harmful to who? The anonymous East German who has never seen a cent for his work? --Golbez 20:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It is harmful if somebody sells the piece of work because he believed what he read, if the author or rights holder discovers about that (I mean he won't have forgotten that he created it) and then sues the seller. BTW, the author is most likely not an anonymous author in a legal sense (not that it would matter much), since there are clearly records somewhere about his identity. That's enough. The bottom line is that "Current rights holder perhaps unclear" is NOT the same as "public domain". --Rtc 20:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

"After the collapse of the GDR, the remains of VEB Polytechnik were rescued in a new company called Polytechnik Frankenberg GmbH" according to VEB Polytechnik. So they are the current rights holder, simple as that... --Rtc 20:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The same article says "The new company was also closed in 2006." Now who owns this? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 00:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If the rights were not transferred to someone else (given that Polytechnik owned the rights at all), the rights are owned by the people who created the games, whoever they are. --Grandy02 (talk) 12:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Polyplay5.png
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Main image
Wouldn't the photo of the arcade machine be more meaningful as the expressionless game select screen in the infobox? Plus, there are currently nine fair-use images in this article, I don't think that many are allowed. --Grandy02 (talk) 12:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Different Versions
According to what I could find out, there had been 2 different hardware version, called ESC1 and ESC2 (Elektronischer SpielComputer). ESC1 could accomodate 8 games, ESC2 10 games. They cabinets were different from another and there are photos of one other different (whitish) cabinet floating around.

http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/computer/polyplay.htm This source explains all of this in more detail.

Games
The games "DER GAERTNER" and "HAGELNDE WOLKEN" do exist. And there is a video of an alternate version of "HAGELNDE WOLKEN" in circulation, called "UFO". "UFO" has a different title screen with background story. Video of "HAGELNDE WOLKEN": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtw7fIKACRs Video of "UFO": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-4AE-SgtVc Picture and price listing of der Gärtner (and other games) http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/computer/polyplay.htm