Talk:Pong Su incident

SAS involvement?
The opening paragraph states that "members of the Australian Special Operations Command intercepted and boarded a ... freighter." The Australian media have repeatedly reported that it was the SAS that boarded the Pong Su. The SAS is a unit within ASOC. Unless there is a dispute about this I intend to make the reference specifically to the SAS. Wulfilia 14:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The Australian Army's service newspaper reported that elements from all of SOC's units took part in the operation. See: http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armynews/editions/1073/topstories/story01.htm --Nick Dowling 08:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Incident Response Regiment
I've just removed the statement that "Australia's Incident Response Regiment was also deployed, indicating Australia's suspicion of weapons on board." According to Defence media releases and news stories, the unit which boarded the ship was a rapidly assembled and ad-hoc unit comprising Special Forces personnel who were trained in boarding moving ships and available in Sydney during Easter. The IRR personnel were involved only because they were trained to board moving ships and there have been no reports I've seen indicating that the Australian government was expecting to find anything requiring the IRR's specialist skills on board the ship. --Nick Dowling 11:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Corrections needed
The following statement is incorrect:

"Then, in a search of the beach at Boggaley Creek, Australian police discovered the body of a North Korean recently buried close to a dingy. It is probable that the dingy had capsized while bringing the heroin ashore, drowning one of the North Koreans. Police also apprehended another North Korean in the immediate area".

The man apprehended in the immediate area was Ta Song Wong. He says he is an ethnic Korean from China ( http://www.austlii.edu.au//cgi-bin/disp.pl/au/cases/vic/VSC/2006/126.html?query=Pong%20Su ). And Australian police discovered the body of an *Asian man*. Who said he was a North Korean?

I wouldn't correct the article myself, because my English may be not good enough. I hope one day someone will read this story from original sources, not from newspapers. The sources are in part available here: http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinosrch.cgi?method=boolean;query=Pong%20Su;meta=%2Fau;mask_path=;offset=0;view=date

There are more things in this article to correct after reading the aforementioned original documents. Though reading will surely require some patience.

--- Who the heck wrote the Korean alphabetization (한글) in this article? Without going through it, the Pong Su is 봉수호, not 퐁수. Further, the ship's political secretary is by no means a Mr 취, for that surname does not exist in Korean. It is 최. His full name is 최동성, rather than 동송. A a cursory search of the Korean news stories on this topic will turn up the correct names for all of them (whoever is writing this should look here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%EB%B4%89%EC%88%98%ED%98%B8+%EC%B5%9C%EB%8F%99%EC%84%B1).

I have never been prompted to write anything on any wiki till now, but I feel very strongly that all efforts should be made to make sure that all spellings of names be correct, in whatever alphabet/script/characters they are written.

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Fair use rationale for Image:Operation Sorbet 1.jpg
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BetacommandBot 23:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Ship info
Was the vessel built in NK? Has it had previous owners? What was its history prior to this incident? Drutt 20:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It was a ship built in Japan in the late 1970s that had had several previous owners. 118.209.21.232 (talk) 15:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 21:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Ships name in Chinese?
This text "「鋒秀」號 " was cut and put in the intro from a lower section of the article. Is this the ship's name? As it is unclear, the text in the article is hidden with editor comment.--S. Rich (talk) 04:39, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It seems irrelevant as the ship isn't Chinese.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:13, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes - that's the ship's name written in Hanja (Chinese characters used for writing Korean, as an alternative to Hangul). Hanja no longer used in the North, but still have some official usage in South Korea.  AaronRichard (talk) 05:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

North Korean government

 * Most significantly, an official of the governing Korean Workers' Party was found on board, linking the drug shipment to Kim Jong-il's government.

I am sure there are no private shipping lines in North Korea, so the Pong Su was state-owned, like most of the economy (apart from co-operative farms). Likewise, the party is involved in many facets of society. This isn't all that significant.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:12, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090429104228/http://www.abc.net.au:80/tv/collectors/segments/s2546161.htm to http://www.abc.net.au/tv/collectors/segments/s2546161.htm

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Confusing
"The prosecution case against the four North Korean officers was that they would not have allowed their ship to be stopped in the position it was if they were not aware that the real purpose of their voyage was to smuggle the heroin. The prosecution did not allege any official involvement of the North Korean government, only the officers on board the ship."

What does this actually mean? Also I can't see any source for the statement, either.  — M3TA  info  (  view  )  18:19, 27 August 2018 (UTC)


 * It makes sense to me.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:15, 6 October 2018 (UTC)