Talk:Pongal (festival)/Archive 1

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what is pongal?

--Klehti 23:02, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * And is it celebrated by all but predominantly by Dravidians, or what?

It should be clearer now. --ashwatha 02:07, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I removed the phrase "Aryans a.k.a. Hindus", because the "Aryan race" in India, while predominantly Hindu, also has Buddhists, Jains and other denominations in it. --ashwatha 08:02, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Kaanum pongal
I am not sure the follwing text in the article about kaanum pongal is correct
 * ... youths used to gather at river banks to view and select their future life partners, but that practice has declined.

A few external websites refer to a brother-sister ritual on this day, but none about choosing lifepartners or anything like that. Therefore, I remove the sentence. If this is indeed a fact, please add it back with proper references. ~ srini 05:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

--Pongal seems to be spelled wrong in Tamil on the front page

Pictures
The picture is very blurred and does not give a clear view. There are many non-copyright pictures at flickr. We could use one of them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.69.5.234 (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Pongal is also a food
As fas as I know, Pongal is also the name of a food item in Andhra Pradesh made from rice and pulses. Probably this should be mentioned in the article. 130.203.202.7 21:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Done Taprobanus 19:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations
Wiki Raja 10:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing called Dravidian civilizations. There is Indic civilization of which the Dravidian element is very significant.--Dipendra2007 (talk) 01:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Reverting unexplained deletion
I have reverted an unexplained deletion (No talk page, no edit summary) of referenced text, the first edit of a new editor. ie. "Tamils refer to Pongal as Tamizhar Thirunal " --220.101.28.25 (talk) 08:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

OTD
This article is currently tagged for needing more references, and according to the rules at Selected anniversaries, must be omitted from the Main Page on January 15, 2012, unless the issue can be addressed. There are a little over 12 days to go, so hopefully that gives editors enough to time to take care of this. Thanks!  howcheng  {chat} 20:05, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

What does Thai mean in Tamil perspective?
Thai is January in Tamil The name is Thai Pongal however there are some Tamils in Thailand, and the name of the month Thai is confusing because the word Thai is referred to the people and the language of Thailand 99.229.41.79 (talk) 01:51, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

-I have never heard of the "Thai". Everybody I know just says Pongal. I asked a bunch of South Indians I know, and nobody has heard of "Thai". --76.100.233.222 (talk) 22:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

-The word "Thai" refers to the month of the Tamil calendar (Actually Thamizh calendar). So, the pongal festival celebrated in that month hence, called "Thai Pongal" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreeramgsm (talk • contribs) 04:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC) In general way people just say Pongal so no one confuse themselves, but really it is Thai Pongal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.194.32.84 (talk) 10:29, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

While not perfect.......
...it seems pretty well-referenced to me. --Bddmagic (talk) 20:52, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Sir

You need credible references. That is currently lacking. Thank you.Dipendra2007 (talk) 02:05, 22 December 2014 (UTC) it is best festival in the state of tamil nadu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chutta Khan (talk • contribs) 11:25, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Copy editing
This article was copy-edited on January 28th, 2015. It still should be fact-checked. Some sentences were resistant to copy editing because of their content. There are also some paragraphs that too closely resemble their web sources. BrandenburgG (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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October 2019: full protection to stop edit warring
People seriously need to stop edit warring and try to work out their disagreements on this talkpage. I have full-protected the page (so that only admins can edit it) for a week. If WP:consensus is established sooner, I will be quite happy to unprotect sooner; just let me know on my page. Bishonen &#124; talk 16:59, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

Hi! Citations are not legit. I cannot seem to cross refer many of their opening statements Bkvithz (talk) 06:13, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Title
Others / Should this just be titled Pongal? I have gone through well over 25 sources. Pongal is the common name for this festival, in official and old/recent scholarly publications. Tai Pongal is also occasionally used, but only occasionally. Your comments? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree - Pongal seems to be more common name. Maybe this was created to avoid confusion with Pongal (dish). utcursch &#124; talk 21:07, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * That would be my guess too. Not a good reason to keep the status quo though. The "(dish)" suffices to distinguish the other article to the reader. Let us wait for a few days and see if there are any other constructive comments/reasons forthcoming. If not, we need to overwrite the pre-existing redirects. I already fixed the wikidata item for this article. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The article's title should be reverted back to Thai Pongal as it's the most common name. Google provides 314,000 hits, including reliable news sources and books. Tai Pongal on the other hand returns fewer than 8,000 hits.--Obi2canibe (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Pongal has 11,400,000 hits on Google. On google scholar, and Ngram too, the hits for Pongal far outnumber than those for "Thai Pongal" or "Tai Pongal". Further support for Utcursch's comment above. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:32, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


 * This is classic whitesplaining. As a Tamil I can tell you it's Thai Pongal. Earlier on you were confident that Tai Pongal was the correct name. Now it's Pongal. Have you considered that some of your 11,400,000 hits may be referring to uses of pongal other than the festival?--Obi2canibe (talk) 13:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Obi2canibe: when you write "earlier on you were...", you are reading and projecting too much in my reply. I did consider that the 11,400,000 hits may include other uses of pongal, tried Advanced Search (pongal AND festival, etc, both on google and academic paywalled ones). Still 30x higher. Tried searching for pongal, explicitly including the word "festival", and explicitly excluding the word "thai". Still many millions of results. I also tried the usage in Tamil Nadu and Indian government sources. These too predominantly use the term "pongal", and variants are relatively rare/fringe and recent. We can't rely on anyone alleging/pretending/rightfully claiming to be a Tamil, as wikipedia is not a personal blog (nor a place to offensively and forum-y argue "classic whitesplaining" as you put it). We must stick to what the mainstream, vast majority of scholarly secondary and tertiary reliable sources are stating, not the personal wisdom / prejudice / opinion. See 1, 2, 3, etc etc. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:00, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2020
Pongal is not a religious festival. Please remove references to Hindu ChezhiR (talk) 20:55, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 00:19, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Help on fixing infobox
Hi. I added the 2021 date for Pongal, and I deleted the source for the 2020 date. It then deleted the infobox. Can someone please help me fix it?

Thanks, Sophie — Preceding unsigned comment added by SophieMontano12 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * fixed. You had accidentally deleted the closing braces for the infobox. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Unsourced changes
Vijay79kr / Pioclement / Jayarajgovindan / IPs: welcome to wikipedia and your first edits here. Please see the content guidelines, particularly about reliable sources and verifiability. Also see the cited sources and the embedded quotes within them conveniently provided by past editors of this article. Please do not randomly change this article in manner that does not reflect what the mainstream, multiple scholarly sources are stating. If you have any concerns, please read the archive and this talk page, then discuss any new concerns or suggestions you may have. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Protection
I've semi-protected the article for a month in the hope that it will provide some stability. I'm loathe to semi-protect indefinitely, but I'm happy to review that when we see the effect of the semi-protection over the next few weeks. --RexxS (talk) 19:25, 14 January 2021 (UTC)