Talk:Pontus (region)

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The link to Mithradates I of Pontus led to Mithradates I of Parthia- a completely different person in a different time, ruling a different kingdom. I was unable to find enough information to start an article on Mithridates I of Pontus, so I just removed the link. Machteacher

the name Pontos today
Greeks today, at least the American Greeks that I know, still use "Pontos" as the name of their homeland, even though most Pontian Greeks living in that part of modern Turkey moved to Greece during the population exchange with Turkey, following WWI.


 * Not only is the name still in use among the Greeks but the place has a long history after that described in the short article. Many incidents occured between the Greeks of Pontos and the Turks. The most important of them is the massacre of thousands of Pontian Greeks (by the Turks) after the continuous uprisings of the former. Those who survived the massacres went to mondern Greece during the exchange of populations. Petros The Greek 11:39, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

A map of Pontus' location?
If someone could find an appropriate map and place it in the article, that would be very useful.

Thanks.--Lazarus Plus 03:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

pontus map
--81.213.229.193 10:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resim:Black_Sea_map.png#filelinks

the above link contains the map of black sea, the Pontus region is located at the north east of turkey (around cities samsun, trabzon) and, west of georgia (batumi)

MAP(S)#1
http://www.angelfire.com/folk/pontian_net/maps/xarths.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/folk/pontian_net/map_stergios.jpg

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philhellenism (talk • contribs) 07:56, 12 October 2006.

Nice historical maps. Can we have exact bibliographic references for them? That's useful so we know what period they refer to, whose point of view they represent, and what their copyright status is. --Macrakis 14:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

MAP(S)#2
I am not aware of the "actual" origins of those maps, but I know you can find the same map on http://www.pontos.org.

I would also assume that the period it refers to is up to the population exchange of 1923.

Incorrect opening sentence
This is a problem: Pontus (Greek Πόντος) is the name applied in late ancient times to extensive tracts of country in the northeast of Anatolia (or 'Asia Minor' ) bordering on the Euxine (Black Sea), which was often called simply Pontos (the main) by the Greeks, after the colonization of the Anatolian and other Black Sea shores by the Ionian Greeks.

The way it it is written implies ancient classical sources were referring to to northeast Anatolia in the many many extant uses of the term Pontos from in classical times. This is not true.

The second clause of the first sentence and the rest of the graph are essentially accurate but we get off on the wrong foot with the opening clause.

Either this article needs to say it is strictly about the Kingdom of Pontos and Trazond region or we need to note several uses of Pontos more emphatically at the introduction. There are obviously 500 years of ancient history in which Pontos was not conflated with the small kingdom of Pontos and Trabzon, but with the Greek colonies generally on the Black Sea, the great majority of which had no historic cultural or linguistic association with the Kingdom of Pontos or Trabzond.

There are hundreds if not thousands of references to "Pontos" in centuries of ancient history that have no association with the late classical Pontos which this article centers on.

I've tweaked the opening a bit to reflect that71.252.33.135 21:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

- If you are going to revert it, please add three or four graphs before the Kingdom of Pontos section on the 500 years of historic documented and common usage of Pontos to refer to Ancient Greek Pontic cities in Thrace, current Bulgaria, Romania and Ukraine before the establishemnt of the Kingdom of Pontos (elsewhere.). Thanks71.252.33.135 21:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Exchange and Trabzon
The text had said: ''Under the Treaty of Lausanne, the borders of Turkey were renegotiated and in 1923, the exchange of populations between Greece and Turkey required approximately 1.5 million Greeks living in Turkey to resettle in Greece, and approximately 500,000 Turks living in Greece to resettle in Turkey. Among the former were the remaining 300,000 Pontic Greeks of Muslim faith, of an original population of more than 700,000.''

The last sentence implies ("former means the first part of the sentence) that the portion of Greek speaking Trabzond Pontic Greeks who had converted to Islam over the years were all transfered to Greece. This is not the case. I think there may be a cut and paste that left out an intervening sentence, or a problematic translation from Greek or Turkish to English. In either case it is erroneous. 71.252.33.135 21:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.252.33.135 (talk) 21:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

Lead ambiguity
The template on this page says that "This article is about the geographic location", but the first sentence of the lead says that "Pontus is the sea god of Greek mythology". The first sentence should accurately and unambiguously declare the topic of the article. Can somebody fix please? Robert K S 03:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, there is a seperate page on the mythological Pontus anyways, so that sentence is very out of place 81.215.13.145 07:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Being completely ignorant of this subject, I've written a new lead sentence on the basis of the picture illustrating the article. I hope somembody will come along and improve the lead further. Robert K S 08:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Confusing intro
I don't understand what is being said in the second sentence: "Pontos (the main) following the exploration and the colonization of the Anatolian and other Black Sea cities by the Ionian Greeks beginning about the end of the Greek Dark Ages." Could someone make whatever is being said a little clearer? Thanks. 98.202.38.225 (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)