Talk:Pope Callixtus III

Corruption?
In the article on Pope it singles out Callixtus III and Alexander VI as being corrupt. However, I don't see any real instances of corruption here. Can someone with more knowledge on this subject clarify? Thanks.

SaintJimmy505 (talk) 02:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This article is sourced chiefly from the Catholic Encyclopedia, a partisan publication that lionizes each and every pope, regardless of infamy, and from a plethora of equally parochial sources. Impartial editors can't be arsed to correct it and be flooded by hundreds of wiki-lawyered reverts, and have long moved away from obscure popes; look elsewhere, wikipedia won't help you here.  c o m p l a i n e r  14:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Original Names
Well, just a few considerations regarding the original names of people and places:

Callixtus III, né Alfons de Borja (Alphonso de Borgia in Italian)

(December 31, 1378 – August 6, 1458) was born in Xàtiva, València, Spain (Now is Spain but then it was a kingdom of the Aragon Crown, a totally separated State with different kings). If you write Xàtiva (excel·lent !) in Catalan/Valencian, you might write València in Catalan/Valencian too.

He became a cardinal after reconciling Pope Eugenius IV with King Alfons V of Aragon (Alfonso is the Spanish or Castilian name, and Alfons the original Catalan one).

He made two of his nephews cardinals, one of whom, Roderic de Borja(Again, Rodrigo de Borgia is the Italian name)''', later became the notably corrupt Pope Alexander VI.

Anyway great!!

Tonipares 12:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Italian does neither spell "Alphonso" with a PH, nor commonly refer to the Borgias with "de".  c o m p l a i n e r  14:50, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Name consistency
Why spell his name one way in the article title and another in the article? I know that the name has probably been spelled everywhichway in history, but consistency within individual articles is supposed to be a Wikipedia principle.

Looking at the comments above reminds me that anyone called Alfons, Alfonso, Alphonso, or Alphonse is in for a hard time. Content is inconsistent with titles and titles inconsistent with each other. The easiest option is to change the content names to match the title names, but in many cases (I much prefer "Calixtus" to "Callixtus", for example) the titles are the more questionable; and no one wants to chase about Wikipedia changing every Callixtus and Alfons title until one is blue in the face.qp10qp 15:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The authorities quoted in the references and sources spell the papal name "Calixtus", with one L.  The differences in spellings can be attributed mostly to the language being used in the sources.  "Alphonse" is French, "Alfons" is German, "Alfonso" is Spanish and Italian.  The double-L spelling is under the influence of Greek, kallistos ('very beautiful').  I too prefer Calixtus, though I admit that the British Oxford Dictionary of the Popes uses Callistus; and the Annuario pontificio uses "Calisto".  --Vicedomino (talk) 08:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Biography
There was a note saying that Inter Caetera authorised the King of Portugal to enslave the Africans; this is incorrect. Dum Diversas (1452) and Romanus Pontifex (1455) had already done that; this simply confirmed and added something else.

A note was added differentiating the Inter Caetera from the 1493 bull with the same name so as to avoid confusion.

This article needs a lot of work.Ebanony (talk) 04:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)