Talk:Porsche 911 (930)/Archive 2

I am blanking because this is far beyond childish. Waldo, what about the two pictures solution? 84.160.176.136 22:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Very fine. If there is the urgent need to display modified 930s, I strongly suggest to display a Ruf BTR or CTR. These cars have some authority and are well respected among enthusiasts. Pictures are available. 84.160.176.136 22:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

84.160.176.136: You are basking in your folly my friend, I suggest you take a pill and go sit in the corner and we will call you later when you are better. Both pictures were posted by me many months ago as well as the major text that you hacked out and threw in the crapper. I obliged you by not disturbing any of your text but when you started wacking the pictures I posted it was very inconsiderate and not tolerable as they were both quite applicable. You are obviously behaving quite German in your pushy tactics. 65.193.87.55 22:12, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Correct my text whereever I am wrong. That is what wikipedia is about. For instance why don't you do some research on the issue whether the Turbo was discontinued in the 80s? Here is a lot of blablabla. I am trying to take this some sort of serious and contribute facts. You are welcome to do so,too. Why the Waldo car? Is it an accurate 930? It is a 930? 84.160.176.136 22:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Just to get this straight: I did not delete both pictures. The slantnose is quite accurate. I deleted the dark green car. Stick to the facts and stop with your strange usages of the word 'German'. It has nothing to do with this and if you have problems with Germans: why do you bother with German cars, then? 84.160.176.136 22:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

What are you even talking about and FTW is your point anyhow? Have you no mastery of the English language? No wonder we can't communicate - you are hacking out English when all you can speak is German! You lace the article with only metric measurements! I don't even see your point in the comments you make! The picture is of a 1976 930 Turbo Carrera. Want to come over here and touch it, see the registration papers, speak to the owner - HELLO! You are an Atypical German - I'm sure that 99% of the Germans would shun you! 0waldo 22:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

My point is that the green 930 is a fiberglass mixture! You would not find this car in a book or in a encyclopedia, because it has been modified too far. Is your mind too narrow to accept this fact? Do you get personally humiliated because you restored it? Does restoration include the necessety that the car gets published in wikipedia. I took out quite some blabla text in this article like "Porsche never thought how fast the 930 would be". Jesus, your guys horizonts are too narrow and I cannot imagine this. 84.160.176.136 22:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

84.160.176.136: you are so unintelligible as well as illogical. You speak of the picture of the car as though it were not a Porsche 930. The fact of the matter is this: it is a Porsche 930 and the picture of it represents itself: a Porsche 930. Fiberglass? The rear tail on the 76 930 was pure fiberglass – read your book krautmeister. 0waldo 22:34, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

The fiberglass moldings (front, rockers) on that car are not Porsche, they are Waldo-made! See my point? The article is about a 930. There is no word in the article about the Waldo-modifications. Nobody knows Waldo-modifications, no matter how skillfully they have been done (in particular as they look more like 965 than 930). There are many more companys offering modifications. Are we gong to list all of them? Why not sick to the simple factory look? 84.160.176.136 22:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I did not know that the 930 picture was not a 930 picture I suppose it's actually a z-943-YY-L style instead. You don't know anything about the car. You are pulling B.S. out of your oral cavity and plopping it down on the page here - get your facts straight after you get yourself straight. The picture is of a 1976 Porsche 930 - hello, wake up, you lost WW II. :) 0waldo 22:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. 'you' are not listing me or anyone else here. Where did you get the copyrighted picture of the silver 930 anyway? Copyright violation maybe? 0waldo 22:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Are you licenced to apply the Porsche badge on that car? There might be some 930 mechanicals underneath, but as well it could be a remodified 911 SC and your just trying to show off. See my point? The picture I contributed is an original Porsche press picture licenced to be posted here. Why are you trying to deceive people. Nobody has anything against oyur 930 or 911 or whatever, but why are you claiming this space?? Why is your car more legitimate than a stock 930 in an encyclopedia? Just because you were first and most people didn't recognize it right away? 84.160.176.136 22:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Look, it is ABSOLUTELY futile for me to continue with you here - I am beginning to perceive that something is wrong with you in the mental arena, and that being the case will leave you with your madness. For the sake of the post: the picture is a 100% born-from-the-factory, 1976, 1930 Porsche Turbo Carrera - I can't understand the lack of intelligence on your part other than some mental deficiency so I will leave it alone. I'm tired of trying to communicate with a Neanderthal. 0waldo 22:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I don't think I am atypical or something you are implying. However, you always bring up quite strange implications about Germany, f.i. WWII. Your horizont is narrow. I just knew it. I cannot believe you are wasting your time with German cars. 84.160.176.136 22:50, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

THIS 930 IS NOT THE WAY IT CAME FROM THE FACTORY... Why are you always trying to say that? Do the people buying these cars from you believe that? The difference must be obvious if you take a look at the silver car you have chosen now to delete all the time. The green one MIGHT have been a 930, but even then: now it is a Waldo-modified 930. Sigh...

84.160.176.136 - whatever - I give up on trying to communicate with an obvious blatherskite. You are one stupid germanic oaf!

P.S. I want to see the 'written release from Porsche' on the silver porsche picture you added

Why again the reference to "germanic". What is wrong with you? I just happen to be German, but I could have been anything. I don't even care about your nationality. It doesn't make a difference to me in realizing that you have the urgent desire to present cars here you have had your hands on. I understand that you are proud about this, but why are you deleting a bone stock 930 in each case? Modesty and politeness is not your virtue. Well, I will take out the green one again if you don't do it by yourself. Now the article looks really stupid. 84.160.176.136 23:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

You're getting silly: the release was granted by the historical archive of Porsche on August 18, 2005. 84.160.176.136 23:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Scan it in and post it here. 0waldo 23:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

No, you have to live with that information here. That's the way it is. As I do not know for sure if I am wasting my time with a 14 year old fart around here. 84.160.176.136 23:08, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes! you are wasting time with yourself, sir flatulance! 0waldo 23:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

See, you think you made a funny and smart response. But you haven't. I would say: quite adequate to my suggestion. 84.160.176.136 23:12, 27 November 2005 (UTC) Nothing is do is just 'adequate'. If you don't believe me, then just ask me ;) 0waldo 23:15, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, you're loosing command over your grammar. What are you saying?

Come on over and I'll buy you a beer 0waldo 23:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Make a peace proposal, but I can tell you: after all of this, leaving the Waldo-930 in there is not going to work.

OK peace. But you get only one free beer and the picture stays at the bottom :) 0waldo 23:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

No... sorry about that. You can choose a third "accurate" picture, as I suggest maybe a Ruf BTR or CTR. Both are modified 930s.

ALL PEACE OFFERS OFF - I'm Stalin, you're Hitler :) 0waldo 23:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, now you finally found an answer which made me honestly laugh.

Great :) that's better to end on a positive note! Are you not tired and sleepy yet? 0waldo 23:25, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Aren't you? in what time zone are you? I'm eastern it's 6:28PM but you have been up all night doing this madness ;) 0waldo 23:28, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, let's say more interactive than a night at the movies.

OK, I'm happy that we punched each other out and then shook hands and made up at the end. :) 0waldo 23:34, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

If this is resolved, please consider moving this talk info to Talk:Porsche 930/Archive2, that way if people have this problem in the future they can see that you have already worked it out. Xaosflux 00:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

If your edit war is still going on:
If your edit war is still going on, the page version HERE looks like a good compromise, there's no reason you can't have both pictures IMHO. Xaosflux 23:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I think this is a bad idea to have an infobox with two cars. Still the now actual constellation with three pictures and Waldo at the lowest is the configuration which started this war. I have stated the reasons why I recommend to stick to factory spec. If modified cars should go in here, I recommend to get deeper in to the "Sonderwunschprogramm" of Porsche or publish a Ruf Porsche. Ruf Porsches are icons. I mean this article should be held some kind of offcial and Waldos car is too "unique". My concerns remain, even if Waldo offers me beer, what I appreciate very much on a personal basis. 84.160.176.136 23:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

OK, what I think is this; a good compromise (in my opinion) is to leave the page as is, in it's current state, with the silver 930 in the info. box as it is representative of a bone-stock 930. This should satisfy my Ger"manic", no pun intended, counterpart as he is a true Porsche purist and leave the waldo special at the bottom. Now, we cannot discount the mass of Porsche die-hards out there that take bone-stock 930's and modify them to the absolute max! I.E. RUF, Gemballa, Strosek, etc. Porsche even recognized this and issued Gemball aftermarket parts with Porsche part numbers. (The rockers on the waldo picture are Gemballa). So, my offer of compromise and a beer still stands with peace pact in place provided we park the picture in it's proper place on the Porsche page ;) (Sorry for the lame play on the P's)... 0waldo 01:08, 28 November 2005 (UTC) P.S. moving to archive is fine that way we will hide our lunacy from the public at large :)