Talk:Port Miami Tunnel

Infobox
Here is an infobox I found that will fit; I was going to make one called "infobox construction project" or something.


 * good reference, pro-tunnel with a lot of port history: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/12/05/1957463/seaport-spending-raises-questions.html

Old tunnel length exact: http://www.fdotmiamidade.com/current-projects/north-miami-dade/port-of-miami-tunnel.html

Nearly a GA candidate now
This article is nothing like it was four months ago. And there will be a lot more as it develops. Flagler Logistics hub http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/110310/story7.shtml


 * April 5th, 31,977 and 40 refs
 * May 24, 40,940 and 54 refs

Change in 395-A1A designations?
Since the idea of the tunnel is to boast a direct interstate connection to the port, one must assume that the tunnel and therefore the first hump of the MacArthur causeway will become part of 395, whereas now it becomes A1A just before the bridge. Another interesting fact is that it will be the lowest point in the interstate highway system if it really does reach -120, I have heard other lesser depths mentioned. Daniel Christensen (talk) 05:12, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hrm. Intriguing. Must research further. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Definitely original research/speculation. But as a counterpoint: extending I-395 would require FDOT to ban bikes from that part of the causeway, where they are currently allowed (notwithstanding temporary construction restrictions). --NE2 08:35, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Florida State Road A1A
The article says that the tunnel will be part of SR A1A. How is that possible? The current way of A1A is over MacArthur Causeway, isn't it? That doesn't seem to be compatible, since there is only access from Miami to the tunnel. Regards, Dionysos1988 (talk) 07:54, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * According to the new signs on the MacArthur eastbound from 95 it wil recieve a unique designation as Florida State Road 887 User:B137 (talk)

I don't get this sentence
"Although a tunnel connecting the Port of Miami to Watson Island was first proposed in the 1980s, when the House rejected President Ronald Reagan's attempt to veto the bill to conduct a premilinary[sic] study and called it a 'pork-barrel' project..." So Reagan attempted to veto it, and the House overrode the veto while calling it a porker? Did something get messed up when this sentence became a run-on? --NE2 08:39, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Updating post-opening
Nearly entire article is written as if tunnel hasn't opened.

Furthermore, "Railroad access" and "Deep Dredge/Panama Canal expansion" are out-of-date and need to include info about their current state.

The port's name is PortMiami (no space between "Port" & "Miami"), so I would think that the official name of the tunnel would reflect the orthography of the port's name (ie. "PortMiami Tunnel", not "Port Miami Tunnel"). The project's website is unclear: the logo looks like there's no space, but in prose the name includes a space (there are still many spots where the name is still given as "Port of Miami Tunnel"). Once the correct orthography is determined, the article needs to reflect the name change.

Those are the straightforward updates. Since the tunnel is now open, the rationale/benefits and criticism/concerns for the project need to be placed in context now that it is complete (and didn't become a boondoggle) and should be organized into a section or as subsection of "History". The "Deep Dredge/Panama Canal expansion" section goes into far too much detail about that project. Most of that stuff belongs in the Port of Miami Deep Dredge Project article, with the link being changed from "See also" to "Further information" and the content boiled down to "The Panama Canal is being expanded and so the capacity of PortMiami is being expanded with the Deep Dredge Project. More traffic in/out would mean more trucks through downtown, therefore justifying the tunnel." There's no need for the history of the Army Corps of Engineers dredging the channel deeper or that they're installing bigger gantry cranes.

I'm the type of editor that would typically try to make corrections myself, but this article is so thoroughly out-of-date that I'm just going to place the update template for now (sorry) and also await feedback from others regarding the content changes suggested in the preceding paragraph. AHeneen (talk) 08:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've sent an email to FDOT (through "Contact us" form on tunnel website) asking for the official name of the tunnel (PortMiami Tunnel or Port Miami Tunnel). AHeneen (talk) 19:03, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * One of the key issues is the breakup of the billion dollars, the numbers given were estimates did it turn out exactly like that? That's pretty specific information to find. Most of the rest is just simple prose or at most section rearranging. B137 (talk) 19:27, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, the article needs to be updated with final financial figures. I've trimmed the Deep Dredge section of irrelevant information as mentioned above. AHeneen (talk) 21:09, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * A big issue with the references is that Herald articles always expire and I don't believe they are publicly archived anywhere, let alone for free, leaving many dead links. B137 (talk) 22:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * It's OK to cite newspaper articles (and other sources) that are not available online: Offline sources. --NE2 01:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The article has been significantly updated so I went ahead and removed the tag. One key piece of information remaining would be a more recent traffic estimate. The first month could be expected to be low. Even Google Maps still occasionally does not recognize it as a route. B137 (talk) 23:20, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree, but that's the only traffic count I could find. The article date is September 24 and a few other webpages that mention the tunnel traffic count cite that article. The tunnel website's press releases page is empty (and there's no traffic data on the related subpages) and the FDOT Miami-Dade (District 6) press releases page hasn't posted anything about the tunnel since June. The Miami Today editor may have contacted FDOT directly to get the traffic count, since it doesn't appear that the traffic count has been published online by any 'official' source. So I presume that the August traffic count will have to suffice for now. Maybe someone reading this in a few months can search the web for a newer traffic count. FDOT has a web portal to view traffic counts throughout the state which is updated annually in April, so after April 2015 someone can look up the traffic count through that link. AHeneen (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

KML file
Does this article need a KML file? If so, I can create one. I'm wondering this because many roadway articles like this utilize Attached KML. However, as this tunnel is short, I don't want to create the KML if it's unnecessary. Epicgenius (talk) 22:37, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not much of a code guy, so I looked at the Big Dig article, which apparently has a KML with the parameter =title but I don't see what exactly it is. B137 (talk) 00:44, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The KML file will show a map overlaid over the maps at http://www.google.com/maps or http://www.bing.com/maps. For Massachusetts Turnpike, for example, it will show up like this. In this case, the attached KML file will combine several different coordinate points to make a line that can be placed over the default Google or Bing map to show the route of this tunnel, or any other roadway for that matter. I can create the file at Template:Attached KML/Port Miami Tunnel and put the Attached KML code in the External Links section, so that links to Google and Bing will show up at the top of the page, where the coordinates link is now. Let me know if that's OK. Epicgenius (talk) 03:20, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with the guidelines for road articles, so I can't say whether this article needs a KML file. However, I think it would be useful. If you want to create one and add it to this article, that's fine. You can use the image at right for the path (in public domain); a couple zoomed in images are available here (also public domain). AHeneen (talk) 03:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for these resources. I believe (but can't say for sure) that it is normal to have the KML for the road articles, although it's not required. I just created the KML file (at right) if either of you want to use it. Epicgenius (talk) 03:46, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand now, I should have known that; I've seen people use inline citations where it leads to Google showing a road highlighted as a reference.


 * did you hear back from FDOT? B137 (talk) 05:08, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No. Never received a response concerning the official tunnel name. AHeneen (talk) 05:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I have boldly added the KML, by the way. Feel free to revert if you do not want it. Epicgenius (talk) 02:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

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