Talk:Port St. Lucie, Florida

Former Mayor Christensen's resignation and scandal
Well, I was wondering if the whole scandal involving now Former Mayor Christensen who resigned about a week ago should be included and the fact that she stole over $3000 from her supporters campaign donations as well as her resignation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.208.90 (talk) 03:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Population 144,159
Here are some sites that back up this number:

http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/opinion_columnists/article/0,2821,TCP_24463_5110509,00.html

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/columnists/entries/2006/09/growing_but_not.html

http://www.co.hernando.fl.us/plan/abstr2006/stat102b.htm

Casey14 00:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Then cite them in the article when you make the edit. As it is, you changed the numbers but left the the citation to the source for the old numbers in place. Remember that if any unsourced edit is removed, policy states that you cannot add the edit back in without citing a source. -- Donald Albury 02:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I brought in the third source, stated above. Casey14 02:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Park Saint Lucie?
Being a PSL resident I have never heard that nickname, or the motto for that matter. Please site them, or I'll remove them. Casey14 15:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of these either, though the motto is referred to by the Cities official website. I'm removing the nickname, as I can't find any references to it. -JE 03:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding the motto. Casey14 17:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Climate section needs revision
I removed this statement: "PSL is a hurricane magnet". Don't believe "hurricane magnet" is official weather terminology, and there is no evidence that this particular part of the southeast US coast is hit more often than Miami, Cape Hatteras, New Orleans, Galveston, etc.

The rest of the climate section is similarly unencyclopedic, e. g. "It is also 95 degrees outside". All summer long, at all hours of the day and night? Surely the temperature is sometimes higher or lower. Mean highs and lows for the various seasons would be more appropriate. Unimaginative Username 03:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Most of the weather information was just added on recently.  The only stuff worth keeping is the tropical status of the city, and the hurricanes that hit the city.  Casey14 19:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Sports
-PGA tour event?Andycjp 12:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

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Port St. Lucie census map
I believe that the map is obsolete due to the Tradition Community west of the I-95 interchanges of St. Lucie West Blvd., Crosstown Expressway, Gatlin Blvd and Becker Rd.. --cypherninja (talk) 01:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Information Update and, possibly, Overhaul
I checked out the references sited in this article. Four of them are currently not working, likely due to link rot. Also, the fact that all of the references are online web sites could definitely be improved. Both a book and documentary covering PSL history were released in April of 2011. I am going to check through both of them and see if they could give this article a good overhaul in information. Also, has the PSL historical society itself been consulted about this article? They have only recently digitized some of their records, and even more exist at their office. I believe their web site is a valuable tool, but it should not be the only one. Hard-copy sources are critical in keeping facts legitimate in Wikipedia in my opinion. I plan to see if expanding this article (mainly the history section) is practical with the new resources that exist today. TimJames4131 (talk) 22:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

media
i will be moving to the Treasure Coast area soon, and i will be living in Port St Lucie...i am trying to figure out where people that live in this area get their news...is it local, piped in from another close city? do they watch news from Ft Lauderdale?? what about radio stations?? local call letters and numbers for tv and radio should be included also...thanks

75.166.21.162 (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC) 75.166.21.162 (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This page is to discuss this article, not to ask questions about the town. I removed your email address for your protection. Try the chamber of commerce for your questions. their website is in the external links section of the article.John from Idegon (talk) 16:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

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Tropical climate
Using the 1981-2010 normals and the Koppen definition of tropical, which mainly just calls for every month having an overall average of at least 64, Port St. Lucie falls short by just 3 degrees, at 74 and 51 in January, averaging 62 degrees, though this is very basic and may not take into account the actual daily temp curve. By the 1991-2020 normals it will probably reach the tropical threshold, with numbers of about 75 and 53 for Jan, if not higher. B137 (talk) 23:47, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Incorporation Date
The article claims that Port St. Lucie incorporated in 1961, but the infobox says "1903". Neither are properly sourced. Ryoung 122 21:08, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The only clue I've been able to find so far is this that gives 1961 as the date of incorporation. A date of 1903 is an obvious joke, because the core area of PSL was ranch land until late in the 1950s. I am disappointed that I have not found anything more than the most cursory information about the history of St. Lucie County or the City of Port St. Lucie. - Donald Albury 23:38, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

South Florida
The question of whether Port St. Lucie is in the South Florida region needs to be resolved here. Please refrain from further edits on that topic until a consensus is reached here. - Donald Albury 13:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Watermelon Farmer99 (talk) 13:54, 4 November 2018 (UTC) Port St. Lucie is in the South Florida region, here is an article that also states that the City is the eight largest in the State and third largest of South Florida. http://www.cityofpsl.com/Home/Components/News/News/3468/1749 You can find this in the section titled "About the City of Port St. Lucie".


 * It may think it's in South Florida but it's not. It's in the Treasure coast region of Florida. Even the airport in Port Saint Lucie is called TREASURE COAST INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. Visit Florida, the official state entity for tourism even lists Port Saint Lucie as being in the Central East part of Florida. Not South Florida. Look here at the Central East region of Florida. Like I've said before, nobody counts Port Saint Lucie as being a part of South Florida. It's too far North. How can you consider the Treasure coast region a part of South Florida when it's located centrally on a map almost located horizontally the same as Tampa. Port Saint Lucie has never been culturally or geographically a part of South Florida. There's a reason why the Treasure Coast region exists. https://www.visitflorida.com/en-us/places-to-go.html#CE  https://www.floridadisaster.org/dem/directors-office/regions/ https://study.com/academy/lesson/cultural-regions-of-florida.html http://www.authenticflorida.com/travel/map-of-florida-regions/ https://fpan.us/regions.php https://www.floridasmart.com/local/regions --SeminoleNation (talk) 16:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Please also note how South Florida is defined in South_Florida. If you think that the South Florida article should cover a wider area including St. Lucie County, then you need to achieve consensus to do so. Using a single source to support stating that Port St. Lucie is in South Florida is giving undue weight to that source. We go with what the preponderance of sources say about a subject, not with a single source that goes against other sources.


 * Oh, and would everybody please stop reverting until a consensus is reached. I just blocked someone for edit warring yesterday (which I will not do here, as I am involved in this discussion, but an un-involved admin could). - Donald Albury 17:25, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Watermelon Farmer99 (talk) 18:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Please remember to sign your posts. Also, that is an opinion and they have nothing to do here and it isn't geographically located at the same "height" as Tampa along Florida as it is about 40 Miles north. Honestly I confused why the moment I make a change to a Wiki then everyone hops on it like it is a hot topic. How can you back these topics such as your claims that it is a different area? How can you say "nobody counts Port Saint Lucie as being a part of South Florida" when there are local restaurants etc. with the businesses and companies titles including the term "South Florida" take one look at Google and you will find many local businesses that include the term South Florida in their name. So there ARE people that consider it "South Florida". I am not even going to care beyond this point because I try to do one good deed by refreshing the Wiki and then all of a sudden people hop on topic and decide that they are going to play the role of the expert and that their all knowing and keep reverting changes of other without even a moments thought. Here is just one example of a local business I had found in Port St. Lucie that had the term "South Florida" in the name. Check out "South Florida Lawns" in Port St. Lucie they are a local company and why would they include this in their title if they thought different.
 * I've lived as far south as Miami Beach and as far North in South Florida as Royal Palm Beach and nobody considers Port Saint Lucie as being a part of the region geographically or culturally. Everyone refers to the Saint Lucie area as the Treasure Coast. That argument about the local business holds no wait because the University of SOUTH FLORIDA is in Tampa. The Treasure Coast to be more accurate would be in Central East Florida just how Visit Florida defines it. The old Florida wikipedia articles have just done a poor job of actually defining each separate region in Florida. There is a reason why the "Treasure Coast" region exists, because it is a separate area than South Florida. They are different.--SeminoleNation (talk) 02:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I lived in Dade County for 20 years and in Palm Beach County for 31 years, and I would add that Treasure Coast supports my memory that the Treasure Coast was invented to distinguish the counties from Palm Beach north to Indian River from the somewhat disreputable (in Treasure Coast eyes) South Florida (Dade and Broward counties). Palm Beach County is now included in South Florida largely, I suspect, because it is included in the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-West Palm Beach Metropolitan Statistical Area. Palm Beach County is still included in the state defined Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council, while the South Florida Regional Planning Council consists of just Broward, Miami-Dade and Monroe counties. (See Florida Regional Councils Association.) - Donald Albury 03:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


 * There can be no "winners" in this discussion! It is glaringly obvious that geographically, Port St. Lucie is in South Florida, and there are plenty of references that will back that up. It is also glaringly obvious that both the Miami crowd and Port St. Lucie crowd choose to draw a distinction whenever it benefits them to do so, and are inclusive when that suits them better. Jacona (talk) 14:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Port St. Lucie metro area
The issue of whether the Port St. Lucie metropolitan area includes Indian River County has arisen. I haven't really looked hard, but I am currently aware of only one reliable source for defining a metropolitan area for Port St. Lucie, the list of Metropolitan Statistical Areas defined by the OMB and used by the Census Bureau for population numbers. The source at includes all creations of and changes to MSAs and CSAs up to 2020, and the entry for the Post St. Lucie MSA does not show Indian River County ever being part of the MSA. The Sebastian-Vero Beach MSA, consisting of Indian River County, was first defined in 2003. This map from March 2020, shows Port St. Lucie and Sebastian-Vero Beach as separate MSAs. There is nothing in the history I have found so far to indicate that Indian River County was ever a part of the Port St. Lucie MSA. I have to go do RL now, but I will look later for any history of a possible Port St. Lucie-Sebastian-Vero Beach Combined Statistical Area. Donald Albury 14:30, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I have found that there was indeed a Port St. Lucie-Sebastian-Vero Beach Combined Statistical Area in 2007 through at least 2010. OMB Bulletin 13-1 (Feb. 28, 2013) lists the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie CSA, which includes the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach MSA, Okeechobee Micropolitan Statistical Area (μSA), Port St. Lucie MSA, and Sebastian-Vero Beach MSA. The Port St. Lucie-Sebastian-Vero Beach CSA is not listed in that bulletin. It thus appears that the Port St. Lucie-Sebastian-Vero Beach CSA was defined in 2007, and was removed from the list sometime between 2010 and 2013, presumably when the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie CSA was defined.

I think it is obvious that the OMB and Census Bureau constitute reliable sources for St. Lucie and Martin counties being in the "Port St. Lucie Metropolitan Statistical Area". The "Port St. Lucie-Sebastian-Vero Beach Combined Statistical Area", which included St. Lucie, Martin and Indian River counties, was used for only about eight six years, and was dropped ten years ago. I will also note that the population cited in the article for the "metro area" only inlcudes St. Lucie and Martin counties.

So, the question is, what constitutes the "Port St. Lucie metropolitan area"? Are there other reliable sources besides the OMB and Census Bureau that define a "Port St. Lucie metropolitan area"? How much weight should we give to a CSA definition that was used for only eight six years, and dropped ten years ago? - Donald Albury 19:48, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Edited 20:26, 27 February 2023 (UTC)