Talk:Portsmouth/Archive 2

council tax
does anyone have a source and exact details on the council battle with central government over council tax? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.248.212 (talk) 14:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I hazard a guess that the above was in the mid eighties when I believe Liverpool council members were actually bankrupted, using the search term rate-capping or similar may help. And a quick google found the the following links which may be of help with starting research http://www.envplan.com/abstract.cgi?id=c040165 ; http://www.militant.org.uk/Liverpool.html ; http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1984/jun/13/rate-capping-1 Gandee2 (talk) 23:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

School Violence
There has been recent disagreement over this section in Education

"The rivalry between St Edmund's Catholic School and St Luke's Church of England school (Protestant) has often become violent. This has its roots in the Catholic-Protestant conflict of Northern Ireland as the city has both large communities of Irish Catholics and Irish Protestant, who settled in the city because of the Royal Navy"

it is reference unlike some parts that have citation tags, however its been called into doubt, now personally i have no inclination to search through the city council archives for a decade old report, however i do recall the violence of that period and the police patrolling and even close part of commerical rd because of the fighting, and old friend of mine Peter Wesley who taught Science at St Edmund's at that time did tell me about several of the incidents including a school invasion by the pupils of St Luke's which makes believe it would be likely for the council to have written some sort of report on it, especially since both schools were under LEA control at the time.
 * The library service has no record of any report commissioned by PCC under that title. Nuttah (talk) 16:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You could put in an FOI request with the Council, that should cement it one way or the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.65.33 (talk) 22:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Politics
In the Politics section should it mention the political situation and history in the city? i.e the collapse of the Labour Party, and Leo Madden breaking away and form an Independent Group, the situation with Phil Shaddock, and Mike Hancock's effective control of the Liberal Democrats in the city?

conflicting sources
so i've added a post on the sources notice board, hopefully we can get some input on how to proceed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.102.112 (talk) 00:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Images from Portsmouth Media Store
Brought forward from talk page archive 1, I assume that images from here would be correctly tagged under Attribution, wouldn't they, given that "Images are free, but require a credit to Portsmouth City Council."? Any other views? DWaterson (talk) 22:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

i think you called it right given their release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.111.134 (talk) 00:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Why Pompey
I think this article could benefit from some explanation as to why the town's nickname is Pompey. At a guess there is no definitive answer, but this source looks useful. -- Solipsist (talk) 15:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

the problem is no one knows and there are a couple of different explainations —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.178.150 (talk) 15:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

more references for the term pompey. RN explanation : http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.3820 a national newspaper: http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query0,5753,-2010,00.html The local football team witch shares same nickname and may be first written record : http://www.pfcusa.net/history2.htm RM & Guz http://www.royalmarinesbands.co.uk/reference/Slang.htm

Someone may be interested to cross reference to Plymouth another Naval dockyard and to Term Guz (&?? Chat/chaz) which already has one entry as a wiki page but for another meaning. Note Royal Marines have alternative (& imho possibly more likely explanation as it has an apparently  definite Military Naval origin) for term Guz       cf explanation offered by naval Museum Gandee2 (talk) 21:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon needs translating

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Anglo-Saxon is not intelligible to modern English speakers, so this really needs a translation. Hairy Dude (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. 86.129.219.150 (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

semi lockdown
looking through the history this page has suffered some severe vandalism i recommend a semi lockdown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.183.55 (talk) 10:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

to the north
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_of_Bere can someone have a look at this article, particularly someone with access to local sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.183.230 (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Dialling code
http://www.ukphoneinfo.com/search.php?GNG=portsmouth&Submit=Submit&d=nl says that the code is 02392, but Telephone_numbers_in_the_United_Kingdom says it's 023. Does someone on a Portsmouth number need to dial at least an 8-digit number in order to call someone else on a Portsmouth number or will dialling the (old) 6-digit number still get through? --ClickRick (talk) 11:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OFCOM's 'The National Telephone Numbering Plan' is clear on the subject. The Geographic Area Code for Portsmouth is 023. Nuttah (talk) 11:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * True, and it is indeed OFCOM who allocate the numbers, so that's definitive in a way the the BT book is not. However, if BT were able to – and chose to – implement a degree of support for the 6-digit "legacy" number in parallel to the 8-digit "official" numbering then I think the wikipedia article should reflect that, which is why I asked my question. --ClickRick (talk) 12:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no legacy system. Nuttah (talk) 12:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The code for Portsmouth is (0)2392. Portsmouth 123456 = (0)2392 123456. hebbzee (talk) 14:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

To answer the original question, no, you cannot get through to another line in the city using just the six digit number, you have to use the 8 digit 92** ****. So, and sorry to disagree with Brian Hebbes and UKPhoneInfo, the official code is genuinely 023. Taz&amp;dev (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC).

Infobox
The infobox used is dated, if changed should I use UKPlace or Settlement template? Cyberdemon007 (talk) 12:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Both would be a big improvement from the current one, id support either of those templates you mentioned. Looking at some other UK cities it seems the Settlement one is used alot like for Manchester, Liverpool, London and even Southampton so i think that one would be better and more in line with other UK cities. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Conversion Complete Cyberdemon007 (talk) 15:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Is Portsmouth in Hampshire
OK, I work for an English local authority, I understand the local authority structure. Now Bradford (a Metropolitan District) is in West Yorkshire (which no longer exists as an administrative unit. Not in the ceremonial county of west yorkshire, just the recognised geographical area of west yorkshire.  I know that  Portsmouth is a unitary, but what is this "ceremonial" county of Hampshire?  Portsmouth is actually located geographically within the boundary of Hampshire - it's not a comment about the administration. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:55, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * See Ceremonial counties of England. They are areas to which lord lieutenants and high sheriffs are appointed. "Ceremonial county" is only a semi-official term, but has had to be coined since the reorganisations from the 1990s. Under the 1972 Act it was very simple: every county (met or non-met) had a lord lieutenant and a high sheriff. However with the break up of non-met counties into unitaries they are now largely "grouped" for these purposes. The resulting grouping being the ceremonial county. Technically they are "counties for the Purposes of the Lieutenacies Act 1997", and were listed in the schedule:


 * Portsmouth was, until 1997, in the non-metropolitan county of Hampshire, but is a now a non-metropolitan county of itself: see Non-metropolitan county. The order making the change stated

"8.—(1) Portsmouth and Southampton shall cease to form part of Hampshire. (2) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Portsmouth and shall be named the county of Portsmouth. (3)  A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Southampton and shall be named the county of Southampton. (4) Section 2(1) of the 1972 Act (which provides that every county shall have a council) shall not apply in relation to the counties of Portsmouth and Southampton."


 * By the way, Bradford remains in the Metropolitan County of West Yorkshire, which still exists, (albeit without a county council since 1986) e,g, in this boundary order from 1993

"any reference to Bradford, to Kirklees or to Leeds is a reference to the district of that name in the metropolitan county of West Yorkshire". W Yorks is also a ceremonial county per the 1997 Act.


 * Hope that makes sense! Lozleader (talk) 22:28, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Certainly does. Thank you.  West Yorks is never referred to as a ceremonial county, although from what you're saying we must have a Lord Lieutenant tucked away somewhere. Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)