Talk:Portsmouth F.C./Archive 1

Squad table layout
I don't know about anyone else but I cannot stand the layout that keeps being put on for the current squad. The table looks basic, is harder to read, and doesn't fit the free flowing look of Wikipedia. I have reverted this edit in the past, but am in turn reverted. Anyone else have an opinion? Grunners 18:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I think Portsmouth's current squad should be presented the way the squad of IFK Göteborg has been presented. I think the layout of that section of the article could be a very good solution to this article. Aecis 18:12, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree that the current layout with the boxes is really ugly, when I edited it last is was very like the Goteborg one which is similar to many others in the wiki. Bob Palin 18:56, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. I've just reverted it again. -- Arwel 19:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Yakubu
Yakubu's first name is Abubakari (Unsigned comment by )


 * Abubakari Yakubu (of the Ghana) and Yakubu Aiyegbeni (of Nigeria) are two different persons. Aecis 17:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, and the former Portsmouth, now of Middlesbrough, player is the latter, from Nigeria. What is your point? Grunners 17:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Nothing, I was responding to . Aecis 18:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Apologies, didn't realise it was an unsigned comment and assumed both lines were posted by yourslef :) Grunners 01:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Pompey Chimes
"The best known chant from the Pompey supporters is the "Pompey Chimes" ("Play up Pompey, Pompey play up" sung to the tune of a striking clock), generally reckoned to be the worst chant in football still sung." Harsh! And needs a reference...Badgerpatrol 21:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * missed vandalism, it's been changed that way before, should read oldest. Grunners 19:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Arthur Conan Doyle
This article states that it is "a common myth" that "the club's first goalkeeper was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. While Conan Doyle did play for an amateur side, Portsmouth AFC, that flourished from 1882 to 1894, the first goalkeeper of the professional era was Matt Reilly who previously played for the successful Royal Artillery team." Arthur Conan Doyle, otoh, asserts that "while living in Southsea he helped form Portsmouth Football Club, playing as the club's first goalkeeper and occasionally as a right back between 1884 and 1890." Which of these is true? Aecis AppleknockerFlophouse 18:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Conan Doyle did not play for Portsmouth FC. He did however, play in goal for AFC Portsmoth, an amateur team that preceded the professional team Nuttah68 15:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Peter Harris
I have been digging for info ref P Harris to produce an article about him. But its very thin pickings. He was a local Pompey boy; does anybody have info about him? Devious Viper 82.10.32.103 10:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There was a special edition copy of "The News" from some years ago called 'Pompey Legends' that had extensive bios on most of the famous past players, Harris included. I can't find my copy- if you can get hold of it though it could be very handy. Badgerpatrol 00:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, thats a start. I'll have a scout around, see if any of the lads still have a copy. Devious Viper 17:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Nickname "Sailors"?
"The club is nicknamed Pompey (or sometimes by older fans as The Sailors)" Can anyone give a reference for this? It's not a name I've heard before. Zooterkin 15:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be a joke by a vandal, probably a Southampton fan, I've yet to find a fellow fan who knows of it. Grunners 20:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Back in the early 20th century, people would refer to Portsmouth FC as "The Navy" because the city is the home of the navy, but I don't think we have ever been called the sailors. We used to have a sailor mascot called Pompey though. Thom32 19:21, 1 September 2006

Transfers
I have removed the recent transfers section, as Wikipedia is not a news service. Oldelpaso 11:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Marc Wilson
On the squad sheet there is an irish player called Marc Wilson. If you click on his article you'll see that it leads you to a American Football quarterback of the same name. Disambiguation ahoy! --81.157.136.199 16:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This is a redundant discussion, this was fixed a while back Cloudz679 22:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Former Players
In the former players section I can see Andres D'Alessandro, who still technically plays for us (and wants to stay, his agent is being a bit of handful). And why is Laurent Robert doing on the list? He was simply awful at the club. I propose that Robert and D'Alessandro should be removed, Robert permanently and D'Alessandro until he lives club indefinately.--81.157.136.199 10:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Moving D'Alessandro to former players may have been premature, but unless he signs it is correct. As for your other point, like him or not Laurent Robert is a former player. Nuttah68 10:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * He is a former player, but notable? If he is on the list among Dickinson and Prosinkecki because he is a former player, why isn't Vignal, Butters and Karadas on it as well --81.157.136.199 10:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)?
 * Laurent Robert is a notable footballer even if his career at Portsmouth was a flop. Nuttah68 10:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I notice Petri Pasanen is on the list, a player who was only with the club on loan for half a season and certainly not a memorable one in my opinion. I move that we remove him from the list. Comments please? Cloudz679 16:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Pasanen should be on the list as we attempted to buy him, and he has had a significant carear since at Werder Bremen. Robert and D'Allesandro were also on loan and they are in the list. Thom32 21.24, 15 November 2006

John Westwood

 * Is there any feeling about whether John Westwood warrants a mention with respect to the Chimes?
 * The previous edit that included -The best known chant from the Pompey supporters is the Pompey Chimes ("Play up Pompey, Pompey play up" sung to the tune of the Westminster Chimes) which is sung around Fratton Park with a beat of drums and John Portsmouth Football Club Westwood's bell and bugle- gives the impression that he is somehow a vital part of the occasion. Nuttah68 17:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Mayb because HE IS a vital part of the occasion ?

Westwood seems to have become the BELL or Pompey, as he is famous for bring his bell all games (apart from rotten grounds that thinks its weapon, even tho i dont think he would beable to fight as he seems to be a bit tipsee [some times you need to be when supporting Pompey, god i've been at some teams we should win and get kicked for 6] at times.... he's harmless). And he seems to be the one that the other fans/police see the most and target. When he rings his bell the croud do follow and even when we are losing with no HOPE, when not just sing sing sing. User:AngelLaHash 12:54, 13 April 2007

Player Numbers

 * I was reading through the page and noticed that in the Retired Numbers section it says the number 1 was retired "In respect to goalkeeper Aaron Flahavan who had passed away in August 2001." However, in the Current Squad section it says that David James is number 1. Is the retired number thing real?AndTheCrowdGoesWild 19:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Portsmouth retired the number 1 shirt for the 2001 season, but have since brought it back.

As far as I new that the FA wouldnt alow Pompey to lose the number even out of respect. Then again if Man Utd did it after the air crash what number would they be on now. Personaly I would of liked to seen Aaron in the Pompey team in the Prem, and if it was as it looks like not for the England keeper, he would of been asured a place in the england team. I think he could of gone on to be another Alan Knight for us and I wish all the best to his Brother at Southend User:AngelLaHash 12:56, 13 April 2007

Portsmouth reach the Premiership (2003 - present)
This section is full of uncited commentary and POV comments - "blatant dive", "unfair penalty", "shock of the season", "contoversial", "dubious refereeing" etc, together with several uncited "quotes". Daemonic Kangaroo 06:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks to User:82.13.83.140 this section has now been tidied up and reads much better.Daemonic Kangaroo 14:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I've now also further tidied up this section and split it into three shorter sections as I feel the section was getting too long. User:82.13.83.140

Players

 * Is there a reason why some players names are in bold and some arent?
 * As it says above the list of players: "Players in bold have international caps" Darkson - BANG! 00:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Scott Harris/Jonathan Page
The Link here seems to lead to another Scott Harris not some U18 in the Pompey Youth Team, but "Scott Harris is the co-founder and executive producer of Between The Lines Radio Newsmagazine" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Harris

This is the same for Jonathan Page who is some "Jonathan Page (September 16, 1976 in Tilton, NH, USA) is an American bicycle racer specializing in cyclo-cross and road racing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Page If this guy is U18 then I am too : P User:AngelLaHash 13:02, 13 April 2007


 * Considered redirecting them to a new article then? Something like Scott Harris (footballer), or even creating a redirect? Grunners 13:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Scott Harris link is now fixed; Jonathan Page link no longer links to the American cyclist! Cloudz679 19:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Team Name

 * The official name of Portmouth FC is Portsmouth City FC, as you can see here [] I will change it in the fact box on the right. There is no need to change the name of the page though,
 * The official name of the club is Portsmouth F.C. Portsmouth City FC is the name of the overall holding company, in the same way as Liverpool Football Club and Athletic Grounds plc is the holding company for Liverpool F.C. Nuttah68 10:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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A Change of Fortunes (2006-present)
In the last months of 2009 and the beginning of 2010 Portsmouth has change of ownership 4 times. This has lead the club to a difficult financial situation which has cause a lack of wedge payment in 4 occasions during the 2009-10 season. On February 20 several rumors came about a fifth owner. It is expected that a South African consortium complete the takeover on Monday February 22.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 at 20:18:34 -0400 (EDT) this section was vandalised by a "user" NATASHA T. METZLER. Can someone put the original text back on please?? This section is about Portsmouth FC, not Barbie doll recalls!

Separate history section
The page is becoming longer and longer. A look at Arsenal F.C. (which has featured status) shows a limited history section on the team page, with a separate page (actually split into two pages) for the full history. Adapting this approach would make the page here more concise. Opinions please? Cloudz679 09:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for it!


 * I've now moved it and thus reduced the size of the Portsmouth F.C. page by around 20k. If anyone can make it a little more concise, that would be good. Cloudz679 09:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Player of the Year
This all started because Mick Mellows came to the school where I teach with Linvoy Primus, a spart of his Faith in work. I looked him up on Wikipedia, only to find no-one had written his stub- shame! Then I saw other stalwarts of my happiest years watching Pompey had not been done. I shall try to rectify this when work and family allow. Bashereyre (talk) 12:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Team Crest
Can someone explain the meaning of the team's crest? The crescent and star make it seem rather Islamic (though I assume that was not the intention). 69.137.220.179 02:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The club badge is taken from the city's coat of arms (see e.g. here). As far as I know, no-one is quite sure where it came from; one theory is that it derives from Richard Coeur de Lion's coat of arms, possibly as a reference to his participation in the crusades. It isn't clear however- someone else may have a better idea. It certainly isn't improbable that it is linked to the Islamic symbol in some way. Badgerpatrol 02:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There is no reason why Portsmouth should not have adopted a variation of Richard's Arm, as a compliment to the King for the favours that he had shown the Town during his brief reign. King Richard's first Great Seal showed on either side of his head a star with six wavy rays (known as an estoile) above a crescent moon. On some specimens of his first Great Seal an eight-pointed star was used. It is not known for certain whether Richard adopted this device as a result of going on the Crusades to Palestine in 1191, or whether it was a punning reference to the star called Regulus in the constellation of of Leo, which is commonly known a "Cor Leonis", or "Heart of the Lion", a nice play on words on Richard's nickname.82.10.32.180

The city's motto is 'heaven's light our guide', surely a reference to how boats navigated prior to modern times. Therefore, the middle of the badge contains the moon and the sun. The Pompey crest has simply taken them out of context.

This crest is out of date now, if anyone can get an upto date image? user:daveangelports —Preceding comment was added at 17:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Change of crest
seems like we've switched to the gold and darker blue one which featured on the shirts last season (with 'since 1898' at the bottom. Its emblazoned all over the new official website, would someone with the knowhow be able to change it? (Unsigned comment by )

the crest hasn't changed yet so its wrong to have it up at this point —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.107.81 (talk) 21:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Skate
There are two references to Skatesmouth rather than Portsmouth in the article today (28/05/08) - the first paragraph and above the flag. Maybe someone hacked in, maybe it's just an ill-advised joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.1.162 (talk) 14:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Surely that is your name though?62.172.208.167 (talk)

Andy O'Brien
The Records section claims the largest transfer fee paid was £1,900,000 - Dejan Stefanovic. But below in this season's changes, it says Andy O'Brien arrived for 2 million. Can someone verify this?


 * This is a redundant discussion, the record fee is now for Benjani Cloudz679 22:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Defoe's fee was higher ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.45.71 (talk) 16:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion/reform of Notable Pompey Players section

 * This section is massively subjective and POV, players can already be found at Portsmouth_F.C. and Category:Portsmouth_F.C._players. I propose it is removed. Cloudz679 (talk) 12:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've thought for a while that this needed a major clean-up, and that was confirmed recently when someone added Collins Mbesuma! This is a list of notable players, not a list of every former player. In my view players should meet one of 2 criteria:


 * 1) A notable period of service at the club, for example long service, or involvement in a cup winning side etc. e.g. Alan Knight
 * 2) A player generally considered to be notable in his own right, even if his spell at Pompey is perhaps not notable on its own, e.g. Lee Sharpe


 * If there are no objections or other suggestions, I'll go ahead and prune some players off soon. Grunners (talk) 15:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * done Grunners (talk) 12:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * agreed, good job. Cloudz679 (talk) 15:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Cheers =) Grunners (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Not on the mainland?
The article says that Portsmouth is the only major team not to play on the mainland... Google maps shows Portsmouth, Fratton and Southsea as being very much attached to the mainland. Am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.51.126.125 (talk) 14:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd check that map again if I were you. Technically Portsmouth is on an island, Portsea Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsea_Island 86.6.34.95 (talk) 02:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Portsmouth is situated on an island, albeit only separated from the mainland by a very short distance. When the tide is out especially it appears as if there is continuous landmass, but rest assured it is technically an island. Grunners (talk) 16:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The Harry Redknapp Era : 2002 - 2008
This section makes no mention of Harry leaving for Southampton in 2004, it reads as if he has been at Portsmouth continually between 2002 and 2008. Then in the last paragraph of this section it says that in 2008 he left for a second time, without having mentioned the first time he left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.240.128.75 (talk) 10:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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Mokoena
Has not been confirmed as a Pompey player OFFICIALLY. I wish people would stop adding him to the squad list in the main article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.132.20 (talk) 22:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

semi-protected request
Have made a request for this article to become semi-protected, For some time only edits have been additions of unfounded transfer gossip as fact in to the article (e.g. player transfers) by IP-users, and subsequent account holder's reverts. Suggest semi-protection lasts until September 1st, i.e. close of transfer window. Grunners (talk) 20:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Anthony Vanden Borre
Must change the number he is no. 23 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashgunner (talk • contribs) 17:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

TJC era: 2002 - 2008
Can we have some explanation of what this means? Patrick lovell (talk) 23:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Adams, Hart, Grant and financial troubles : 2008 - present
What are the actual root causes of the financial troubles currently being experienced by Portsmouth? This section doesn't seem to go into it at all. It talks about a take-over by Sulaiman Al Fahim in one paragraph and then the very next paragraph begins "Because of the financial problems suffered by the club...". What caused those problems? Did the financial problems pre-date the take-over? Did they result from the take-over? I know it's probably hard for Portsmouth fans to talk objectively about it but is there anything objective that can be said? Wjousts (talk) 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree; it is very vague and confusing. At least if there was some clarification on what the root of the 'financial problems' were it would make the whole section a lot clearer. Doing some research into the issue myself it seems as though the club was operating at a loss before Al Fahim took over and that he - realising that he had an insolvent business on his hands - then sold to Al Faraj, for what I am assuming was a very nominal fee. Al Faraj himself had no money to reduce the debt and therefore the club finds itself in its current predicament. This is all conjecture of course based on some VERY sparse information found on the net. It seems no-one really has a definitive answer. I can only begin to imagine how awfully frustrating this must be for Pompey fans. The club is turning into a poster-child on how not to run a football club. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard j uk (talk • contribs) 15:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

attendance
That season also saw them record a massive attendance of 52,385, a club record which still stands to this day.

Club records Record attendance: 451,385 v Derby County, FA Cup, 26 February 1949 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.56.219.21 (talk) 10:57, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Type-o
Was just looking at Grants Record and the games won lost and draw didnt add up, totals 33 and it says 29 there, just shocked me the wins/games ratio and Harts Vs Grants 0.3% in it Hart 30% win 20% Drawn 50% Lost ... Grant 30.3% Won 21.21% Drawm amd 48.48% Lost So 0.3% won (up on) 1.21% Drawn (up on) and 1.62% lost (down) —Preceding unsigned comment added by AngelLaHash (talk • contribs) 12:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Current squad
David James? Not according to the official Pompey website. --Dweller (talk) 14:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Have added the ref and removed James. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2010 (UTC)#
 * And some others, it seems. Thanks, good job. --Dweller (talk) 16:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Ben Haim is out on loan --Dweller (talk) 11:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Jimmy Dickinson
Considering his record number of appearances for one team (second only to John Trollop in the whole league), the affection in which he was held at the time, and the fact that he was alsoo a pompey manager, shouldn't there be something in the history about @Gentleman Jim'? gramorak 12:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gramorak (talk • contribs)

Steve Cotterill, Championship and Administration exit: 2010-present
The final paragraph in this section (regarding administration) seems to be out of place, and out of chronological order, as it talks about stuff that had already mentioned in the section above. 86.183.167.62 (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Ottoman impact on club
The information that the Sultan is the founder of the club is way too speculative. I'm not the one who wrote it; but still, please in the name of correct information, also considering the probable effect of Ottoman_frigate_Ertuğrul disaster which have left the Portsmouth harbor on those years for Japan, please could somebody provide valuable information with valuable resources, references here?

Cheers, --Stultiwikiatext me 00:46, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Hooligan element
Is this really a big enough part of Portsmouth Football Club to dedicate a whole long sentence in the first paragraph? Just seems a bit excessive having the action of a small number of fans in the 1980's a major issue. Just me? Jabba27 20:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid it is, the lack of success and poor on field perfomances during the last 40 years means they have cultivated a jealousy and bitterness towards their more illustrious rivals Southampton who are rightfully and comfortably the best team in Hampshire over the last 40 years. Remember form is temporary and class is permanent, Southampton will be back in top flight next year. Newcastle United Fan.


 * Funny that, coz last time I checked it was Sunderland, Birmingham City and Derby County who are all returning to the top-flight! :-D


 * I'm not sure this is helpful. Ostensibly this is a POV statement which does not really add any value to Wikipedia. References to jealousy and bitterness are clearly subjective and cannot be claimed as facts. Claiming that one team is 'rightfully' the best team in Hampshire is unencyclopaedic and again subjective. Predictions about Southampton's fortunes next season, while I'm sure entertaining, don't really belong in an encyclopaedia either.  All that said, this is the talk page so I welcome others' views on this.  To the main point raised by Jabba27, I don't think the reference to hooliganism in the main article is sufficiently significant for inclusion here, though perhaps it could be mentioned in the article on Football hooliganism. Duncshine 11:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I would include both an (unbiased and NPOV) brief reference to the rivalry with Saints (without using blatantly unencyclopaedic language like 'jealousy' or 'bitterness', as the above anon wind-up merchant suggests) and another brief statement re hooliganism; sadly the (exaggerated) tales of the 6.57 crew et al are quite widely known and notable. However, I don't think either fact is important enough to put in the intro- the appropriate place for each would be as brief statements in the appropriate club history sections. Badgerpatrol 13:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that makes sense. The current reference is "Portsmouth enjoy a fierce rivalry with Southampton, with the derby being recently reignited by Portsmouth's promotion to the Premiership in 2003. However, Southampton's relegation in April 2005 ended league fixtures between the two clubs for the time being". I would probably leave that as is.  As to the hooligan reference, I'll try and put something reasonable in there. Cheers Duncshine 16:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The rivalry extends way beyond a footballing rivallry. I believe it dates back to the 1920's when Soton Company Union Men ( aka SCUM ) were brought in as scab labour to cover a strike by Portsmouth dockers.

There is no proof of the above. If true why did Portsmouth FC parade the FA Cup round The Dell in 1939. To 'much cheering'. I don't believe Portsmouth 'docks' would have been worth going to 'strike break' in the 1920's either.Betty Butt (talk) 03:35, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Europa League Qualification
The article says something like "despite being entitled to a place in Europe, Portsmouth are not eligible for partication in this year's Europa league". That doesn't make any sense. Portsmouth were not entitled to a place in the Europa League because they were in administration. Surely it should read something like "despite achieving Europa League qualifictaion on the pitch (by reaching the FA Cup final) Portsmouth cannot play in the Europa League as they failed to meet criteria off the pitch (i.e. UEFA's financial rules). Liverpool replaced Portsmouth in the Europa League as the next best-placed team in the Premier League." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.96.22 (talk) 18:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've updated the article to address this concern. Cloudz679 (talk) 08:22, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Pompey editors
I'd be grateful for input from the contributors to this article at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football. Thanks --Dweller (talk) 11:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Managers table
...doesn't sort correctly. It needs work. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:35, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What exactly doesn't sort for you, RM? All of the numerical data sorts perfectly here, only anomaly being that the manager names are sorted by first name rather than last name. Would you like that changed? Cloudz 679 15:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Squad table format
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Regards, Edinburgh   Wanderer  19:42, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Implications if they close down
Should we add something about the implications of if they were to fold? There's an article in today's Sun newspaper which says that if Portsmouth go out of business, all their fixtures for this season will be null and void, with the league table changed so that all points and goals earned against Portsmouth would no longer count. It also mentions that fans could create their own replacement community club, like AFC Wimbledon and FC United of Manchester. Digifiend (talk) 22:02, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that would be tantamount to WP:CRYSTAL wouldn't it? Perhaps a one-liner saying that they may not make it to the end of the season so all their fixtures would be void may be useful, but beyond that, it's just conjecture at this point, right?  The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't think what if scenarios are suitable for inclusion in an encyclopaedia. The fact that fans can create a replacement club is not notable, as any people can create any club. This would only be relevant if the club were to close. Cloudz 679 22:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 April 2012
Under sub title 'Portsmouth Player of the Season (since 1968)' please change the 2012 field from Ricardo Rocha (Portugal) to Jason Pearce (England) because he was given the player of the season award. Please see link: http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/appy-prized-assets-will-be-prised-away-1-3762879

62.6.164.67 (talk) 12:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Padlock-silver-slash2.svg Not done: This page is no longer protected. Subject to consensus, you should be able to edit it yourself.  elektrik SHOOS  (talk) 21:30, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

James Whitaker
The list of Portsmouth Players of the Season includes a James Whitaker, who apparently won the award three times in the 1970s. (source ) There is no player of this name listed on the Neil Brown site, nor is he mentioned in Rothmans. This blog also asks the same question. Does anyone have any idea who he was? -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

As voted for by Portsmouth Supporters it says, so maybe they know. I've no idea as my colours are Red and White!!!Betty Butt (talk)


 * It seems like he was not a Pompey player. After a quick search on Google and other sites, nothing related came to me. So, I think this first ref is wrong. Cheers, MYS  77  talk with me ☺ 02:53, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

dockyard derby
please delete reference 51 as it's title implies that games played between portsmouth and Plymouth are know as dockyard derby. This is incorrect and is probably simply a catchy phrase used by the reporter. Under the section Rivalry in the Portsmouth FC article this incorrect refernce has been used to state that Portsmouth and Plymouth are rival football teams know as dockyard derby and other such nicknames. none of these nicknames are know to any portsmouth fans, furthermore Plymouth are not seen as rivals. please delete these errors. -- User:Standard tandoori 22:45, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's referenced by BBC, I added the citation myself . Unless you have something which references your assertions, I would ask that you do not continue deleting this material from the page. Cloudz 679 16:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Being referenced by BBC doesn't mean it cannot be challenged and corrected. A single BBC report has provided a headline phrase probably to attract the reader, it isn't factual. What more can I say, a reference will not be available to state what doesn't exist. However local knowledge of events can confirm that no such derby exists, The political debates between the 2 dockyards are not relevant to football and has never been an issue to its fans. Having first hand experience of attending football matches when Portsmouth have played Plymouth (including away games) I can confirm that no such rivalry exists. For the purpose of correctness the material about a non existant rivalry should therefoire be removed from the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Standard tandoori (talk • contribs) 17:49, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you'll find that Wikipedia isn't based on "local knowledge of events" but on reliable sources. Cloudz 679 18:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As a completely disinterested outsider, I'd like to see a couple more reliable sources rather than just that one BBC ref. Cloudz679, do you have any?  By the way, no more edit warring please, let's get a consensus here and go with it in due course.  There's no deadline.  Actually, that "dockyard derby" is related to a match between two Royal Navy teams, nothing else, this really needs more substantiation before it should be included here. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:22, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Two quick links Daily Telegraph and The Independent both using the term. Interestingly though, all three (the BBC one included) date from late January 2008, like they copied each other perhaps...?!  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks The Rambling Man for adding this clarity. As you point out theses references are between Navy teams not Portsmouth FC.. I will again remove the text that refers to a rivalry that doesn't exist from the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Standard tandoori (talk • contribs) 19:06, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a shame to see after thanking The Rambling Man for his input, Standard tandoori removes his contributions from the article and again removes referenced information from the page. I have added another reference from The Telegraph about this matter, which I now consider to be past the point of discussion. It has clearly been described by multiple sources, which are referenced. I will not be making any further changes to the page in that respect. Cloudz 679 19:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If anyone would care to add the following references to the derby with Plymouth.


 * 2004 Rivals: The Off-Beat Guide to the 92 League Clubs by Geoff Harvey, Vanessa Strowger (refers to it as Battle of the Ports)
 * 2004 Plymouth Argyle website
 * 2008 Morning Star Plymouth Evening Herald
 * 2012 This is Plymouth
 * - Cloudz 679 20:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Could some other portsmouth fc fans please join in here and help us to reach a concensus. It will be difficult to find evidence stating that something doesn't exist. Perhaps the trust of this discussion is that Plymouth fans see portsmouth as rivals. Clearly that it not the same as portsmouth fans seeing plymouth as rivals so maybe the consensus will be that the subject has no place on the portsmouth fc page any maybe could be solely contained to the plymouth argil;e page. For any one contributing please note that the articles references so far are nabout either navy football or are local plymouth articles. Wikipedia should contain most human knowledge and therefore I hope this article can reach an accurate concensus of that knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Standard tandoori (talk • contribs) 21:43, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, bottom line here on Wikipedia is that if we have sufficient evidence from reliable third-party sources about a certain item of information, that we can add information to articles that reflect the said information. I'm glad, at last, you both decided to contribute to this talk page, so thanks for that. Secondly, I found a couple of other sources that backed up the nickname. However, I was slightly dubious that they were all published within a few days of each other. Anyway, since then a few other sources have been provided and seem to be completely reasonable. I would urge Standard tandoori to check these sources and, speaking personally, would have no problem with them being added in due course. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

All these references are local plymouth papers which indicates that in plymouth reporters have referenced Naval Derby Dockyard derby battle of the ports etc. there are no references been made available in Portsmouth media or in national or international media. This would indicate that these comments are purely local as a spin off to the politics between the 2 cities dockyards put froma portsmouth football club point of view Plymouth are not rivals so the acticle as written is incorrect. Portsmouth fc fans in general dont even know what league plymouth play in let alone see them as a rivals — Preceding unsigned comment added by Standard tandoori (talk • contribs) 00:01, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * References above include national media such as The Daily Telegraph, The Independent and BBC. Also a book. How Portsmouth FC or Portsmouth fans self-identify is not the primary guide for inclusion of material. C 679 09:47, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Both clubs are in the same division for 2013/14 so we shall see! I think perhaps, like many rivalries, over the years this one has faded purely due to lack of matches between the sides. Grunners (talk) 13:58, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Here is a 2013 reference from ITV and a 2013 one from The Telegraph. Apparently there is still one user who does not like this information in the article. Reliable sources do support it, however. C679 05:34, 6 February 2014 (UTC)