Talk:Portuguese South African

Hmmmmm
This needs a complete rewrite IMO. The spelling is horrendous and the historical accuracy, or lack thereof, is laughable. Portuguese being enslaved en masse from the Dutch East Indies? What a laugh... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.39.133.148 (talk • contribs)


 * I completely agree. The historical accuracy is very very doubtful and the story is blatantly anti-Dutch and thus very POV.

Jcwf (talk) 15:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I do not know of any Portugese settlement prior to 1652 at the Cape. The same thing holds for Mauritius. Although the VOC did take a lot of Spanish-Portugese colonies (Portugal was in the hands of Holland's foe Spain until 1640), it is not true that all Dutch colonies have once been Portugese.
 * 2) The article calls the local population 'blacks' this is rather inaccurate and confusing, particularly because some black slaves did get imported from other parts of Africa.
 * 3) Some (in fact many) of the local people (Khoikhoi) did get enslaved
 * 4) There is a Malay community particularly in Cape Town but any connection with Portugese would really have to be documented to be credible. What did happen is that Dutch people who had lived in what is now Indonesia and had acquired servants there often made false promises to them that they could accompany tuan to Holland when he left, only to dump them in Cape Town.

Question
maybe someone with competence can answer me why there are quite many white south africans with portuguese names like ferreira or de freitas who usually speak afrikaans (and are considered as afrikaners) and whose ancestors are obviously longer in SA than the independence of angola and mozambique occured. did they come, as the article mentions, with the dutch in earlier centuries from south east asia? --Severino (talk) 09:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

No mention of Madeirans!!!?? Most Portuguese families in South Africa are decended from 20th century Madeiran immigrants. One of the wealthiest men in Portugal and in the world, Joe Berardo, is a former Madeiran immigrant in South Africa. Some White and Coloured South Africans have Portuguese surnames from the colonial VOC period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.243.128.89 (talk) 10:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

POV
This article is an unsourced POV mess! Doing some changes. The Ogre (talk) 11:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-Portuguese in the Photos Section
There are 4 photos of South African personages who may be of distant (minor) Portuguese descent but are not ethnic Portuguese. D´Oliveira and Trevor Manuel are Cape Coloureds and Wayne Ferreira and Schalk Ferreira are White Afrikaners, using traditional South African ethnic identifications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.130.237 (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2015 (UTC)