Talk:Post-capitalism/Archive 1

Expanded Artical
Post-capitalism or postcapitalism is a hypothetical future economic system "in which economy is so radically changed as to be no longer unambiguously be called capitalism by our current definition."

The difference between the post-capitalism and other hypothetical economic systems is that a post-capitalist economy was once a capitalist economy. It could be a result of making many smaller but profound changes to a capitalist economy. At what point does a capitalist economy become post capitalist economy is unknown. It is possible that both capitalism and post-capitalism could continue to exist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.92.74.222 (talk) 04:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

post capitalism

A modest proposal
This article strikes me as kind of wrong-headed; it appears to be about one concept, "post-capitalism," but in fact is a list of widely divergent proposed alternatives to capitalism, none of which AFAIK call themselves "post-capitalism." Meanwhile, there is an academic use of the term "post-capitalism," which is refered to in some of the links in the article, but which isn't discussed in the article at all. In this usage, "post-capitalism" is roughly a synonym for post-industrial.

So, a proposal. How about we rename this article "Alternatives to capitalism," establishing mutual links between this article and anti-capitalism, and redirect "Post-capitalism" to "post-industrial."

Thoughts?


 * Not so sure that equates to post industrial... I do not think so though, as to the above. In the mean time I have added some energy economics related material. Mostly this relates to energy accounting as a well known alternative to a money or capital system. This was a broad social movement in the early 20th century, and becoming more known again now. skip sievert (talk) 01:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Most of this article seems to suggest that the only alternative to capitalism is communism, probably because most people associate socialism with communism such that the various socialisms are lumped together without regard for their differences. I support the idea of a gradual migration from capitalism to a cooperative society. This is subjective, but seems a logical progression as it can coexist with capitalism (in direct competition even), whereas other forms are mutually exclusive (communism) and is possibly the reason for the confusion with post-industrialisation as capitalism was an enabler of the industrial revolution. Consumer sentiment will play a big part in the future of economics as consumers wake up and become more involved in the economic process. Events such as the global economic crisis have increased distrust of capitalist financial institutions. Formation of small localised cooperative financial institutions to provide mortgages for households in a local area may be a near-future possibility, resulting in mass abandonment of traditional banks and the eventual collapse of market finance critical for corporate growth. Elimination of sources of finance for corporations due to collapse of the banking system could lead to a sharemarket crash that may never be recovered from. In South American countries, large corporations have abandoned factories, only to be taken over by their employees and started up again as cooperative ventures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.23.146 (talk) 22:41, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Changed tagging
The found tags were stale but since then apparently has become an advertisement for somebody's book. Its profile should be drastically cut back, and other sources brought in. More from Drucker perhaps or others with works titled matching the subject. 98.4.124.117 (talk) 13:30, 2 July 2017 (UTC).


 * Also may be a likely element of a merge with related content in other articles. 98.4.124.117 (talk) 13:40, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


 * OK not as much pushing of the book in question as I thought so adjusted for actual content at this moment. 98.4.124.117 (talk) 13:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Structure + Criticisms
I think this is a useful article to have but also a bit of a mess. It needs a restructure. Starting with Drucker feels far too specific.

The relationship between this article and anti-capitalism should also be considered. I think it is worth having two articles. The anti-capitalism article focuses on critiques. This one focuses on discussions of proposed alternatives and successors to capitalism. Obviously there is some overlap.

I might suggest starting with Marx, and briefly explaining why Marx tends to withhold from detailed proposals about society after capitalism. Then perhaps move on to sections about socialism, anarchism, and parecon. I think it's worth keeping parecon as a distinct section.

Then perhaps a section about technology and post-scarcity, conveying a better sense of debate and controversy. Then perhaps a section focusing on transition, capturing controversies about reform vs. revolution. And then finally a separate 'Criticisms' section, which focuses on perspectives that believe some form of continued capitalism is inevitable and/or desirable.

What do people think?

Franciscrot (talk) 11:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)