Talk:Post-credits scene/Archive 1

Shrek 2 and other Mid-credit scenes
Should there be a Mid-credits scene article, then? Turidoth 00:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * shrug* Go ahead. :) Kimpire 04:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't think so. A mid-credits scene is essentially the same concept as a post-credits scene. They both occur after the main body of the film is over. Placing the scene earlier in the credits simply means that more people are likely to be in the theatre to see it. -- Supermorff 17:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * But some films use "mid-credit scenes" as blooper reels, or alternate scenes, etc. (like every Jackie Chan film he's produced, has a blooper reel showing every injury incurred during filming, as when he breaks limbs, and such) 132.205.44.128 04:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That's not a scene. That's a blooper reels that happens to be run during the credits. Still, it might be worth mentioning that the practice occurs and then link to blooper. -- Supermorff 14:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The Bullseye scene in Daredevil is mid-credits.


 * Yes, but the concept is the same as if it were at the end. Would it help the situation if we clarified in the opening paragraph that we mean "a short clip that occurs after or during the closing credits of a movie"? -- Supermorff 19:25, 24 November 2006 (U

you forgot the very end of "A Kinght's Tale"...after the cedits....sitting in the hay loft..drinking and @#$$%^

List
Now that the category's been deleted, is there any way to access an old version of it? It'd be useful for the purpose of putting the list in here. Kimpire 11:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Superman... tagline
Say... didn't just about every James Bond film end with "Bond Will Be Back", or "Bond Will Be Back in From Russia With Love" or somesuch? 132.205.44.128 04:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Every canon James Bond film to my knowledge has ended post-credits with a soon-to-come segment up to Casino Royale, which did not include one. The reason for this was, I believe, that they were reinventing the series as has been done with Spider-Man and Batman Begins. DJ Firewolf 20:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Purpose of the article
I created this article because filmmakers are more and more often placing scenes at the end of credits and it deserves a certain amount of attention. I would appreciate it if people with more information than I would A) include background information on the production and frequency of these scenes and B) provide further examples. Kimpire 07:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I just gotta say, articles like this are the reason I love Wikipedia. Such obscure things that I've always wondered about.  Thanks to everyone who has contributed!  DangerousNerd  talk  20:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Rise of the Silver Surfer
I deleted the bit about a post-credits scene in Rise of the Silver Surfer; that section incorrectly said that a post-credits scene showed the Surfer alive after the explosion; however, that scene took place BEFORE the credits started.

I heard there was a post-credits scene involving Uatu, one of the Watchers, but I didn't stay so I need someone to confirm this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsen953 (talk • contribs)


 * Thank you! DangerousNerd  talk  20:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Can we talk about this?
Rather than having an edit war, Someguy0830, we can discuss this here. The fact that the list as a separate page was deleted doesn't mean it doesn't have a place within another article. If you look at the history, you'll find that the list was part of this article for a very long time before somebody decided it was too long and should be moved into a separate page. Then, when the page was deleted, it was moved back here. It isn't me that created the list on this page, and in fact I haven't touched this article in a very long time. The list has grown and flowered over the last several months with contributions from over a dozen other people. Let people discuss it before you strike it off needlessly. Kimpire 12:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I hadn't noticed the talk thing. I don't watch the page except through backtracking contribs. This is a very simple concept to understand. The list was AfD'd for a reason: it is an indiscriminate list which WP:NOT discourages. Restoring the content to the article after was AfD'd isn't OK. Take it up with deletion review if you care so much. The main concern of its indiscriminate nature remains in any case, and it wouldn't belong in this article even if it were never an article to begin with. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I agree with Someguy0830. Since consensus was established at Articles for deletion/List of films with post-credits scenes that the page was not suitable for Wikipedia, the proper way to contest the decision would be to go to WP:DR if you really think that this has a place in an encyclopedia. ff m  13:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Film industry term?
If there is a film industry term for this practice that we can reliably source, it would make sense to move this article to that title to avoid issues like "post-credits" vs. "mid-credits". I can start off with "stinger", which I know from MST3K, with the following sources: The problem is that the use of "stinger" in these works is unexplained, as far as I recall. What we really need is some kind of film industry encyclopedia reference. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Continuing with "stinger", I found the following in Dictionary of Marketing by Jane Imber and Betsy-Ann Toffler (2000; eBook ISBN 0764180134, print ISBN 0764112147), p. 522:
 * sting: distinctive background music used to add emphasis to an important moment in a motion picture or television program; also called stinger.
 * Another reference, from NTC's Mass Media Dictionary by R. Terry Ellmore (1991; eBook ISBN 0071405356, print ISBN 0844231851), p. 572:
 * sting: An emphatic, sudden musical chord or phrase used to accentuate or emphasize a dramatic moment, serve as a bridge, and so on. Also called a stab and stinger.
 * There would seem to be a connection to the end-scene use, but it's not yet explicit enough. I'll keep looking. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Stinger at The TV Tropes Wiki? --DocumentN (talk) 23:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Video games
There seems to be a trend by some (one?) anonymous editor(s) to turn the video game section of the article into a list. I've moved a little in that direction with an edit I just made - having a date header and then one game under each is wasteful. What do other editors (and watchers) think the direction should be? Does Wikipedia have a stance on lists for the sake of lists? (i.e. should it be expanded or deleted?) --GargoyleMT 13:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As of the current version it *is* a list; I just want to make it more readable by having the entries on separate lines instead of lumped together in disjointed paragraphs. --DocumentN (talk) 23:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

spoiler warning
Can someone put a spoiler warning on the main section of the article? I would, but I don't know how. There are some spoilers for some very recent (Fantastic Four:Rise of the Silver Surfer) movies in there.

68.44.212.188 20:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Done Dangerousnerd 20:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It would probably make more sense to remove the references to very recent movies. --Tony Sidaway 21:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Eh. Seems to me that the newer movies deserve to be in the article, especially really good ones like the one in (Spoiler!) Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, which really wraps up the story.  My vote is to leave 'em in and keep the tags.  Dangerousnerd  17:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * And, on a second note, talking about older movies still require a spoiler tag, right? :-) Dangerousnerd 17:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Talking about movies doesn't need a spoiler tag unless there's a compelling reason. I suggest that we try it with the new movies but without the spoiler tag and see how it goes.  --Tony Sidaway 17:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, sounds good! Dangerousnerd 17:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia doesn't use spoiler warnings. And what idiot would fail to realize that the examples section of an article titled post-credits scene gives away what happens in scenes after the credits? MMMMMMMM (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC) I found the policy: No disclaimers in articles. MMMMMMMM (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Grammar and understanding
"Both are followed after the credits are Speed Racer and What Happens in Vegas...." Is one of the lines in this article. I personally can't tell what it means, as it is seperated from the line above it, which talks about Iron Man. Mew Mitsuki (talk) 01:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Website with listings
Hello. I didn't realize that there was a page in WP about this. I started compiling a list of scenes mostly for me and my friends' benefit (since I'd rather not wait for nothing) and I've had some other people enter some. Anyhow, I called it EndOfTheCredits.com and have it running MediaWiki software. sbuckley (talk) 20:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Pirates of the Caribbean
Its stated that all three films have a post credit scene. I only recall the third film having such a thing.. --Vindicta (talk) 22:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They all have a scene - Pirates movie endings sbuckley (talk) 15:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

From Russia with Love
I run WhatsAfterTheCredits.com. I can verify by actually watching the movie that the "James Bond will return..." stuff actually occurs at the START of the credits and not after. I updated the wiki, but wasn't sure about the whole "citation needed" stuff. Here's a link to my page:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ned4spd8874 (talk • contribs) 05:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Television
Several shows, such as The British Office, The Venture Bros., and Party Down (though this is mid credit) do this nearly every episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Intangible fancy (talk • contribs) 19:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

article title
Should this article be titled "credit cookie" or "Post-credits scene"?

Here are a few reasons I favor "credit cookie".

1) "Credit cookie" is cool, "post-credits scene" is lame.

2) Roger Ebert uses "credit cookie", not "post-credits scene".

3) Word spy defines "credit cookie" as follows: "credit cookie n. An extra movie scene played during the closing credits." It does not define "Post-credits scene".

4) "Post-credits scene" is subject to all kinds of possible variants. Why not "post credits scene", "post-credit scene", "post credit scenes", and so on?

5) "Post-credits scene" gets less that 300,000 hits on Google, while "credit cookie" gets more than 7,000,000. Though, to be fair, a lot of those are about the Girl Scouts.

Comments?

Rick Norwood (talk) 19:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Hearing no objection, I'm going to make the change tomorrow. This is your final warning! Rick Norwood (talk) 14:08, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move
Post-credits scene → Credit Cookie – Per the discussion above, which has not been challenged for more than six months. The basic reason is that "Credit Cookie" is in common usage, "Post-credits scene" is not. The move requires an administrator because of the pp-move-indef flag. Following the move, I plan to try to improve the article, and address the concerns flaged above the article. As it stands, it is a haphazzard collection of comments with little structure. Rick Norwood (talk) 13:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I'm a pretty big movie buff and I've never heard the term "credit cookie" up until now. It sounds more like a uncommonly used slang term.  According to the Google test above you said that "credit cookie" gets over 7 million hits, but it's more like over 7,000.  Searching for "post-credits scene" gets about 787,000 hits, much more than "credit cookie" and is a much more generic term anyway.  I think this page is move-protected for a reason.  – Dream out loud  (talk) 20:23, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is my response to your other comments from above:
 * "Credit cookie" is cool, "post-credits scene" is lame.
 * See WP:ILIKEIT. Just because you have a personal preference doesn't make it appropriate.
 * Roger Ebert uses "credit cookie", not "post-credits scene".
 * One famous critic's usage of the word doesn't warrant a page move.
 * Word spy defines "credit cookie" as follows: "credit cookie n. An extra movie scene played during the closing credits." It does not define "Post-credits scene".
 * Word Spy doesn't seem like a much more reliable source than Urban Dictionary. Additionally, Word Spy is a site for defining new words, and "post-credits scene" isn't new.
 * "Post-credits scene" is subject to all kinds of possible variants. Why not "post credits scene", "post-credit scene", "post credit scenes", and so on?
 * Because one term has various forms does not mean another one should be used. I could easily say "why use 'Credit Cookie' and not 'credit cookie' or 'credit cookies'?  As per WP:PLURAL, titles should always be singular unless it is always used in a plural form in English (ie: scissors).  The hypenation in the word is also appropriate.  "Post" is a prefix meaning "after" and should always be hyphenated (if not part of a single word, ie: postmodern).
 * "Post-credits scene" gets less that 300,000 hits on Google, while "credit cookie" gets more than 7,000,000. Though, to be fair, a lot of those are about the Girl Scouts.
 * Already mentioned in my previous comment.
 * – Dream out loud (talk) 20:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose no evidence provided for the nominators assertions. Further Dream out loud provides evidence of the opposite. 65.93.15.213 (talk) 05:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Dream. No evidence that credit cookie is widely used. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 20:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I provided two sources for "credit cookie", Roger Ebert and Word Spy. No sources have been provided for "Post-credits scene". Rick Norwood (talk) 13:18, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The reliability and/or relevance of those sources has already been countered above. "Post-credits scene" doesn't need a source. It's basic English. "A scene after the credits," to define it exactly. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 20:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Since credit cookies often occur during the credits, rather than at the ned of the credits, post-credits scene is inaccurate if understood literally. In any case, this is a real phenomanon, and has a name, which may or may not be descriptive. To dismiss Roger Ebert, a major movie critic, and to dismiss Word Spy out of hand, does not prove either source is unreliable. It is unsupported opinion. I've reverted a recent change in the article to remove the usage "credit cookie" from the article entirely, an edit which also restored a lot of unreferenced, off-topic material. Note that there are two web pages cited in the article that list credit cookies. One calls them "stingers" and uses "post-credits scene" to distinguish between a stinger at the end of the credits and a stinger in the middle of the credits, the other has a reader poll on whether to call them "stingers", "cookies", "codas" or "eggs". Clearly, a case can be made that the usage has not settled on a single phrase. I don't see any case being made, other than a bare assertion, that the usage is settled on "post-credits scene". That someone "never heard the term" credit cookie is a personal anecdote, not an argument one way of the other. Rick Norwood (talk) 17:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Post-credits scene falls under the definition of the most common name for a subject, see WP:NAME. It is a demonstrable fact that credit cookie is not a widely used term, and certainly in no way official enough to override the standard naming conventions for articles. Your idea to change it to credit cookie rests largely on a matter of personal preference, which isn't a valid criteria for renaming. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 01:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. What the hell is a credit cookie? Some sort of biscuit maybe? Never heard of it. Sounds like a neologism. I do know what a post-credits scene is though (although I'd be more likely to call it a "post-credits sequence"). -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Very well, I withdraw my request for a move. Rick Norwood (talk) 12:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

New Article?
I was wondering if an article such as "List of films with post-credits scenes" could be created. I think it would be a good addition to Wikipedia. It's okay if there's a reason not to create such a page, but it would be useful for people who want to know if a movie they are going to see has a post-credits scene or not. Alphius (talk) 22:13, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

List of Games
Why is the list of games section longer then the list of films section? The film section has numerous examples so what makes the games so special?194.81.189.20 (talk) 09:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Someone may be more willing to elaborate further, but I felt I had to add the Monkey Island games to this entry... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.11.151 (talk) 01:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Portal being in the list
Not sure that one applies: it's before the credits. (Heck, the cake's before the credits.) Even if it does apply, the description is incorrect: GLaDOS is not the one dragging Chell; GLaDOS has just been deactivated (and isn't reactivated until Portal 2, expressly after the scene) and doesn't use a male voice. 68.5.90.38 (talk) 07:43, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

video games
i big to differ on the video game section stating that video games have just recently begun to use post-credit scenes; several older games do, too. one that jumps to mind is Soul Blazer (an SNES game); after the end credits, the player character (a presumed angel) is sent back to earth to be with a girl he met, but without his memory 04:21, 2 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.233.5.43 (talk)


 * Please add that to the article. Rick Norwood (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Too many synonyms
Currently the lead offers 8 synonyms for post-credit scene, only two of which are referenced. A vote (see above) determined that "post-credit scene" was "obvious" and therefore didn't need a reference. Please provide references for the other five. Rick Norwood (talk) 13:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Video games section in general
This whole section seems to be unsourced and making wild claims. Examples include, "rare example in video games where a crucial twist is unveiled", "gives a new perspective to the previous events", "particularly those with complex stories", "highly enigmatic". None of these seem particularly notable except perhaps the early examples and a statement to the fact that many games do have them now. byo (talk) 06:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Great Train Robbery
Is the referenced "shot fired at the audience" actually after the credits? *Were* there credits back then? Anybody know? Kimpire (talk) 13:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I watched the video on YouTube and there were no credits. The film simply ended with that parting "shot".  Please excuse the pun.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.199.50.196 (talk) 05:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * There is an actual "The End" at the end, but it's after the scene mentioned and not before, so this would not seem to qualify for a post-credit scene. dk4 (talk) 14:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)