Talk:Power noise/Archive 1

Requested move
The reasons for move copied from the entry on the WP:RM page


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Support - lower case letter for the second word as per music genre article title conventions --MilkMiruku 07:52, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

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Support sounds reasonable to me  Rynne 15:04, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

move
the move from Power Noise to Power noise has gone through, thanks to User:Bratsche ---MilkMiruku 13:04, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Non-notable artists
I deleted two artists on this page which had either no or nonsense links. The artists mentioned here should, I believe, be exemplarary of the power noise genre, and most should at least be live links. Perhaps we can construct an exhaustive list at a page such as List of power noise artists.Iluvchineselit 02:38, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Noise music comparison
Someone made an edit saying that power noise has nothing really to do with Noise music. I would have to strongly disagree - although a comparison to industrial may be more sound, power noise is less comparible to EBM, as the article states. However, we fans have a tendency to listen to all three. Anyway, just thought I'd voice my opinion here. Iluvchineselit 06:39, 14 July 2005 (UTC)


 * imo, 'rhythmic noise' refers more to a style between noise music and power noise. i'd go so far to say it was more a subgenre of noise, but the noise article only breifly mentions subgenres/styles of noise such as 'rhythmic noise' and 'power electronics'. imo noise music needs a bit of a rejig, but i wouldn't say i know enough about the genre to get stuck in right now. --MilkMiruku 16:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Artists that aren't Power Noise
I'm not sure that I'd put Coph Nia in the Power Noise genre... Yvain 10:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Separate page for distorted beat music
I think it might confuse a lot of people when they see artists like Noisex and Winterkalte in the same list, and both being referred to by the word "noise". I think we should make a separate page for distorted beat music and put artists like Noisex there so people don't get confused. Raoul Roucka (the guy who coined the term "power noise", in case you didn't know) himself has said that he regrets calling his type of music "power noise" because there is very little noise in it at all--at least, compared to artists like Winterkalte, Converter, and Imminent who compose songs made out of real noise. (And when I say "real noise", I'm not trying to put down Noisex--in fact, I rather like him, but he, from what I've heard, is not noise.)

...And while we're at it, could we remove artists who are in this list just for having noise in their music? This is industrial--everything has noise. If we're going to include Combichrist just because of noise, then we'd have to include Nine Inch Nails (see: Broken EP) and Skinny Puppy (see: Last Rights), and I hope we all realize that they aren't Power Noise. K3V!N 23:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for a Power noise genre box
It's on the right side, just like a real genrebox, but I will repeat it's contents without the tags here if it wouldn't show up in a discussion page...

stylistic_origins=industrial music, Electronic Body Music, Hardcore techno cultural_origins=Late 1980s to early 1990s, Spain, Belgium, Germany instruments=synthesizer - drum machine - sequencer - keyboard - sampler - found objects popularity= Among industrial music fans fusiongenres= Drum'N'Noise, Industrial Hardcore regional_scenes= Europe, United States

Esplendor Geometrico, who were the spanish industrial band that apparently influenced a lot of the power noise artists have been around from the 80's...Ant-Zen was formed in early 90's.

Dive, another pioneer, from belgium, has been around from either late 80's or early 90's. Many/most of the artists back then were from Belgium and Germany.

Drum'N'Noise and Industrial Hardcore (legimate genres? At least they are mentioned in wikipedia, though D'n'N doesn't have a page of it's own) have been described as fusion genres with parts of the genres coming from Power Noise.

This seems to be a genre that is rather underground and mostly popular with (post-)industrial music fans.

As for regional scenes, the genre seems to be most popular in europe (Germany in particular, if we want to scrutinize), Canada and United States.

As for instruments, much of it is done using computers and/or electronic instruments with lots of various distortion effects. but some powernoise acts also use stuff like angle grinders, oildrums or general junk to make sound. I believe those things are, in musical context, called "found objects".

Any suggestions or corrections?

84.249.46.248 14:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Death Industrial
I think that we should death industrial as an influence for power noise as well...

Oh, and just as I start getting into this music, it becomes more defined on wikipedia. It's actually amazing. Jotsko (talk) 03:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Power noise =/= Noisecore
Power noise is NOT noisecore.

Noisecore is synonymous with "Industrial hardcore", a proclaimed derivative of Power noise. Jotsko (talk) 04:47, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll add to that Rhythmic Noise is not the same as Power Noise. Rhythmic Noise isn't particularly danceable (though I guess it could be if someone wanted it to be). It can be slow & avantgarde. Where as Power Noise is a mix of Noise and Electro/Post-Industrial genres & is generally dance floor friendly. JanderVK (talk)

Industrial Hardcore is not Powernoise (at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned)
Note this page on last.fm: http://www.last.fm/group/Industrial+Hardcore/connections Almost none of the artists mentioned in this article are on that page. Industrial Hardcore is a subgenre of Hardcore Techno. It is usually 140 to 180 bpm and doesn't sound like powernoise. Industrial Hardcore should not redirect to this page.

I concur with this author. I've been an ardent fan, then DJ, then producer of hardcore techno for about fifteen years. I've also been a fan of industrial music (and the ebm that predated powernoise) through the same period. There is very little overlap between the scenes (I can think of Terrorfakt releasing a couple of 12"s on Industrial Strength and Bloody Fist's remixes of IMF but they are notable because they're exceptional) and industrial hardcore is certainly not a close relative of powernoise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.203.105 (talk) 09:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Notability?
So it looks like there are no sources cited in the article at all that actually talk about the genre of power noise. Instead they either don't mention it or use the words "power noise" in a description -- which is neither about a genre called power noise nor necessarily even a reference to a genre. I see a couple when I do my own search (e.g. this), but what is the justification for having this as a stand-alone article apart from noise music? &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 20:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)