Talk:Powered exoskeleton/Archive 2

PAPSIS
Could someone here review the Papsis, "Powered Armor Portable Stealth Invasion System," article? I just found it and it needs to be rewritten. I'm also not sure if it is in fact a real project, or just an editor's original idea.--24.57.157.81 02:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Reorganized
Couldn't stand it, so I rewrote the "In fiction" section. Mostly I just organized it, and deleted redundant parts. Only thing I wasn't sure of was the discussion of power systems, which seemed oddly emphasized, but I couldn't think of anything good to do with it so I left it. There was a lengthy discussion of the different power armors worn by different societies in a WarHammer. I thought that level of detail was more appropriate on a specialized page, so made one, moved it there, and added a link at the discussion of the game. Hope this helps. --Stuart Strahl (talk) 15:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Uber-nerd in this corner

 * I have been designing a power suit (it's purely theoretical at the moment however) and Have been trying to work some kind of piezoelectric power circuit into it. basically The suit (more mecha like really) and am thinking of a aluminium-iridium-osmium alloy as the main armor plating of the suit, with a more flexible buckminsterfullerene (carbon nanotube) material for the underlying material for the smaller (human size ) models, with small armor plates all over the place. no exacts yet, but I am really influenced by the TAU (I placed the original comment about them in, some one nicely neatened it up and made it coherent XD thanks.) and have been thinking of railguns in miniiature forever. feel free to comment/leave suggestions etc. 208.52.112.70 01:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)Avatar of Nothing

Well, i would suggest a layer of Aerogel, since its ability to hold up to large amounts of weight and its ability to insulate heat, could prove very valuable in a number of situations(Such as possibly being able to stand up to an explosion, or surviving in sub-arctic temperatures better perhaps?). Oh, and some form of safe liquid/gel cooling system could be quite useful for keeping the user from being baked alive ;). Just some thoughts ^_^ 166.214.90.17 (talk) 14:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hal 5
I find it amusing that this article focuses on fictional powered exoskeletons and barely mentions the only real available one (the HAL). Furthermore it details none of the physics and science behind the real suits. I'm nominating it for a complete rewrite.--Energman 12:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this page deals mostly with fictional versions of power armor because until recently, they were thoguht to be unfeesabile or impracticle. In effect, they WERE fictional. The page for Raygun also deals mostly with fictional rayguns, as there are very few actual rayguns to speak of. Even today, REAL powered exoskeletons are only in the developmental stages, if that. I think the page is fine where it is, since there isnt much info on this new technology yet. So unless we want to split the page in two, with something like Powered exoskeletons in fiction to cover fictiona versions.
 * The HAL5 is ready for sale and use. Give me a few to find a link --Energman 21:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Bold textMY EXOSKELETON.

ok after reading alot of what you guys have written i feel like i must interveen and say something, modern day exoskeleton aren't powered at all ( well not combat ones anyway). i know this because i have a major role in the personal development of a combat exoskeleton.

it consists of a one piece suit that is made up of high density triple weive kevlar (which gives amazingly good protection from bullets, blows and explosions, nomax fibres (which protects against fire and corrosion) and rubber (which makes it water proof and a great electrical insulator). also a thick shock lining which is used to absorb the energy produced (except on joints to maximize mobility)

the helmate is the same but with a state of the art rebreather/gas mask ... no oxygen tank needed. we're also trying to develop nano communication either in the suit or in the soldiers ear (play metal gear solid for an idea of what i mean) but it ain't going well.

also we use a every strong metal that is uneffected by magnetism of corrosion (like titanium but cheaper) to add support and protection to areas that need it e.g. ribs,spaulders and fore arms.

plus we studdied the "stress zones" of the body to know what parts need extra help in absorbing shock e.g. feet.

this lead to an almost perfect combat exoskeleton that doesn't require a power source and it's light to.

Oh, wow, a random guy on the internet that's supposedly involved in the development of military equipment...that can't spell and just seems to dump a lot of pseudo-scientific fanboy crap in his WHOLLY LEGIT statement. Go fap about what you think military exoskeletons will be somewhere else after you get a spellchecker, moron.


 * Hope he's not in charge of checking the spelling for the project.

Nah, he's the test subject. He doesn't need to know how to spell. If you actually read what he typed you'll see that the theory behind it is almost flawless.

Oh by the way, you spelt mooron wrong...mooron.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this last comment. If you're being serious, you're a complete fucking idiot (or a MORON if you prefer) and I hope you never breed. As for the "theory it is almost flawless" says who? Some sort of citations would be nice instead of you just saying that you don't know shit about engineering combat armor and you think this sounds good. If triple-weave kevlar was so great at stopping bullets, then why is it that ceramic plates are the standard for being able to stop high-speed rifle rounds? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.31.3.198 (talk) 18:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Split
I propose that a separate "Powered Armor in Fiction" article be created to clear the cruft out of this one. Noclevername 21:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, I dissagree. Because for the most part, powered exoskeletons are a fictional concept. Untill they gain wide-spread use, is there a need to seperate the fictional from the much smaller "real" examples? (Animedude 20:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC))

I've re-written the summary to make it more readable and concise. 16-May-2007 220.253.18.17 15:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Stelarc
Why this article do not mention Stelarc, an artist who has done some kind of exoskeletons?

--juhtolv 07:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Too much fiction
I find it very irritating that in this and in many other articles there is a brief description of the factual content, and then a very extremely detailed list of mentions in fiction which dwarfs the factual in size. Should we not be concerned with the factual in an encycolpedia, and trivial things like the excessivly detailed list of fictional mentions be put in some other publication such as "wikiList" or whatever? 80.2.209.109 23:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC) roguechef664 Hey has anyone read the C.A.D.S. books by John Sievert? they use powered armor in a post-nuke U.S. some interesting ideas anyone from DARPA reading? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.118.97 (talk) 21:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Fiction cruft
Could we at least fork it so it doesn't clutter the article? It used to be okay when 'powered exoskeletons' were only found in star wars movies - now the real thing is on its way, and the scifi stuff ruins the article. --Joffeloff (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. I am fine with the fiction page, but it needs its own article and this should only relate to IRL exoskeletons. --Sergeantgiggles —Preceding comment was added at 00:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Second paragraph
"A wide medical market exists in the future as prosthetics to provide mobility assistance for aged and infirm people." This sentence is just laughable, though the whole second paragraph needs complete rewrite. Now it sounds as if the exoskeleton are already in mass production and use. And it's too soon to claim that they will be used in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by King Klear (talk • contribs) 18:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Believed by who?
No cite, moving this to Talk for now."'It is believed that the United States Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and other organizations have been researching the use of exoskeletons for a variety of purposes, but progress has been limited and the actual utility of such systems both in combat and practical situations is still debated (with no systems known to have reached more than prototype status).'"-- I thought that this was really too egregious to just slap with a ((fact)) tag. Please cite this before returning to the article. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 21:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2006/10/exoskeleton-update.html Aparantly, THEM. An Polpualr Science, Popular mechanics, DARPA itself... It's just a secret YOU. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.100.56.249 (talk) 06:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge from "Powered Exoskeletons in fiction"
The "in fiction" article is mostly a list of miscellany (WP:INDISCRIMINATE), and only the lead is really...moderately...encyclopedic. I think the article should be merged here where it can be sourced better and the list part removed.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 23:20, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The Powered exoskeletons in fiction article can be sourced and improved where it is now. It was split out a year ago for reasons that are still valid now. See Talk:Powered exoskeleton. 84user (talk) 10:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree with merge. Improvements can be done in place, as pointed out above.  I think that in coming years, the real powered exoskeleton article will get longer as systems come to market, so might as well leave the topics split.  Pro crast in a tor (talk) 23:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Against Merge There is enough valid content to fill the other article. No way to merge it all here without the article being too large, and no reason to have a list of fictional elements in an article about a real thing.   D r e a m Focus  02:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as is. We had this discussion a year ago, do we really need to go over it again? If the list is sloppy, tighten up the list. No need to toss it here and then scramble to pick up the pieces.--Noclevername (talk) 18:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I do not agree with merge, the other article is quite large and would add unnecessary noise to this article (would just distract). Tauiris - C8CADB5D 09:53, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Influence of SF
Should arguments from this article be included? Milburn, C. “Nanowarriors: Military nanotechnology and comic books.” Postprints 2005: 1828.  Tu rk ey ph an t 18:45, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Any opinions?  Tu rk ey ph an t 15:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Fiction to be moved
Many of the inspiration and proposed uses of powered exoskeletons have been explored in fiction. One of the most famous has been Tony Stark in his Iron Man suit with Marvel Comics. In Metal Gear Solid, Solid Snake's old friend, Gray Fox, is revived after being killed in an explosion and put into a powered exoskeleton for experimental purposes. Masamune Shirow, a manga author, has explored the issue in depth within Appleseed and other works. Another popular example is the mecha in the long running anime series Gundam.


 * I removed the above uncited paragraph from the Current exoskeletons section. Once sourced, it could be merged to Powered exoskeletons in fiction. 84user (talk) 10:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

OD exoskeleton with mind control
A Open-design (OD) exoskeleton with mind control could possible be developed. This would be useful to the disabled, which could, unlike a wheelchair, really be given a sense of being able to walk. In addition, as the nervous system is more and more being understood, the OD exoskeleton could also possible be used in the future to animate the artificial body parts directly via the nervous system.

The OD exoskeleton with mind control would build on the mind control device by Kazuo Tanaka/Toyota (see http://www.slashgear.com/mind-controlled-wheelchair-no-longer-science-fiction-11863/, http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/30/toyotas-mind-controlled-wheelchair-boast-fastest-brainwave-anal /)

The OD exoskeleton itself can be made using
 * a modular exoskeleton, comprised of all bodyparts (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_anatomy ). This would allow the disabled person of using only that body part he requires.
 * the mind control device by Kazuo Tanaka/Toyota
 * the additional exoskeleton parts; ie engine(s) + power source; these could be:
 * small electric engine (to power the main muscles in the bodypart) and a electrochemical battery as the power source. The electrochemical battery could be a battery already in mass-production (ie the laptop batteries used in the Tesla Motors roadster).
 * air muscles (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatic_artificial_muscles ) and a compressed air tank. Since air muscles are already frequently found in robotics, they are probably relatively cheap. See also: http://store.discoveryeducation.com/product/show/48476
 * additionally, a engine (or valve) control system needs to be added, hooked up to the mind control device. Note that this engine (or valve) control system too needs to be powered; ie direcly from a EC battery.

KVDP (talk) 06:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

New Powered Exoskeleton
Here is the latest Exoskeleton I ran across on the web. Its from New Zealand. Someone who is more knowledgeable than me about the Wiki should add it to the article. http://www.gizmag.com/rex-robotic-exoskeleton/15736/     .70.79.50.5 (talk) 06:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)BeeCier

Merged material from Powered exoskeletons in fiction
I have merged some of the content from Powered exoskeletons in fiction, and made the remainder a redirect to here, per Articles for deletion/Powered exoskeletons in fiction. Mike Christie (talk – library) 12:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Also redirected the talk page here; there were a couple of notes on it but nothing worth moving here. Mike Christie (talk – library) 05:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Another book in which it plays a major (though short-lived) role is Alan Dean Foster's Sentenced to Prism. Not sure if it is notable enough, just driving by.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:43, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * And of course the decision to merge is turning out to be a boneheaded decision by whoever decided on the merge. I see the fiction section is growing... and that's not at all a surprise. How long until someone suggests it be split off into an article of its own? We're probably just a few weeks away... DMahalko (talk) 07:07, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

CAS?
Is there any well-known source which uses this acronym? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.66.137.184 (talk) 23:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sentence above merged from Talk:Powered exoskeletons in fiction; see above and this AFD talk section. Mike Christie (talk – library) 17:43, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Robotics attention needed

 * Assess using B criteria
 * Copyedit

Chaosdruid (talk) 19:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Broken Sources
Source 22 titled Concepts of Operations for Exoskeletons for Human Performance Augmentation (EHPA) is broken. I am unable find the source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altermeris (talk • contribs) 11:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Google isn't turning up anything. I've sent an email to their information request address at iac@dtic.mil asking if this document is available anywhere else. DMahalko (talk) 23:21, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Warhammer 40k
This maybe a silly question but why isn't the Warhammer 40,000 universe added into the fiction section? When I think power armour or powered exoskeleton my first thought is of Space Marines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.81.138 (talk) 01:27, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Factual Errors
Dear Wikipedia-ers,

Someone appears to have been 'trolling' this page. The first sentence says "powerranger" and "boris ng." Could someone please fix this?

Thanks, A Contributor05:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.63.18.50 (talk)

Extraneous reference to carbon nanotubes
In the strong but lightweight skeleton section, the last sentence is "Carbon nano tubes are light weight, 10 times stronger, and more heat resistant than titanium." While that section does discuss materials, that seems like a sentence with little relevance. Is there any reason not to remove it? Nerylix (talk) 13:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

US Military cite hunting at Defense Technical Information Center
I know that extreme-tech topics like this can be really difficult to cite. But I have discovered a solution tonight. To find some of the really obscure technical articles for this subject matter from the US Military research programs, go here:

United States Defense Technical Information Center -- http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/

1. HARDIMAN --- 146 document search results

2. POWERED EXOSKELETON --- 334 document search results

I am sure there is much more here that may be useful, but the difficulty is finding the correct technical search terms to describe exactly what you're looking for.

The only big downside is that some of the old scanned documents from the 1960s are basically fax quality and the original grayscale images just did not transfer and look horrible.

-- DMahalko (talk) 11:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)