Talk:Powerlifting/Archive 1

Who deleted all the IPF records and inserted unrecognized WPO records?? Please change this back! Wiki is a legit source, or at least wants to be, then why are there some underground federation's record with ridiculous assistance gear? 99.231.46.37 (talk) 06:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)Pavel Golikov.

Small change made to the paragraph contrasting olympic weightlifting with powerlifting. The previous version was a bit POV. Blowfish 19:09, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I also inserted headings designating one section for a description of the pun, another for discussion of governing bodies. Blowfish 04:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Speed
From article: "While both disciplines demand enormous strength and speed" How exactly does powerlifting require speed? If you can do a bench press as fast as you can do a snatch, I don't think you're benching enough weight. I think powerlifting is about strength not speed. Shawnc 17:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * agreed, speed is a little confusing. training for limit strength normally involves targetting both components of force production, both training with large masses and training lesser masses with great accelearation (f = m.a). obviously then by definition a 1 rep test of limit strength will have relatively little acceleration. i have reworded accordingly. StrengthCoach 21:26, 18 December 2005 (UTC) 21:26, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Powerlifting requires plenty of speed. Check out articles by Louie Simmons and westside barbell for particulars. Also it is quite eronious to say that Paul Anderson has the raw squat record. He never competed in power lifting and in fact his 1200 lift was pure speculation on his part as it was never witnessed. He was able to perform what would now be considered a half-squat with about 1150 in front of reputable witnesses. I would consider the real heaviest raw squat to be 940 by Bill Kazmaier who also holds the highest raw total at 2401.


 * The faster you lift, the more powerfull the movement is, the more power exerted, but of course your maximum weight is lifted slowly, not quickly, so speed part is irrelevant. You are not trying to write a biomechanics article, why mentioning such details?99.231.46.37 (talk) 06:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)Pavel Golikov.

bench shirts
Bench shirts do reduce pectoral tears as they shift stress away from the pectoral (particularly at the point of greatest risk - when the bar is near the chest and the chest muscles are at full stretch) and make the lift tricep/anterior deltoid/latisimus dorsi dominant.

Have you ever used one? I am NOT a good bencher, I am concentrating on my squat and deadlift, but hey, with bench shirt I can do 300 pounds, which I can not YET do without it, and it is pretty far from 300 pounds. The help A LOT. And that is 1 layer shirt, there are 3 layer shirts, I wonder how much tehy give on top of the lift (a lot).

Removed unverified statement
"At first the third event in the powerlifting was the bicep curl which later was replaced with the deadlift." i really doubt this is the case and cant find evidence to support this. StrengthCoach 21:40, 18 December 2005 (UTC) 21:40, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The only study done on bench press shirts by Dr Herrick in the 1980's showed scientifically that the Bench Press shirt reduced injuries of all types including pec tears. Rickey Dale Crain

There were FOUR lifts in the early powerlifting events, but the bicep curl was eventually eliminated. There is a really detailed history of powerlifting, with lots of old pix, at http://www.americanpowerliftevolution.net Missm2u 14:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Extra blank lines
To the anon who keeps inserting the extra blank lines - please see the "Structure of the article" section in Guide_to_layout; the extra blank lines are not in accordance with the layout guidelines. Keep in mind that whether or not the extra blank lines create "aesthetic page flow" is going to be browser dependent. Dsreyn 19:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Before the three powerlifts became official in 1963 there was no official 3 lifts. In many parts of the country it was the squat, bench press and deadlift. In others it was the bench press, squat and continental clean and jerk. In other places it was the bench press, squat and curl. There were many combinations. Rickey Dale Crain

Doug Hepburn - origin of powerlifting?
There seems to be a bit of tradition around here (Vancouver BC) that Doug Hepburn was the "founder" of powerlifting. Is there any substance to this? I was just looking at his article and only the word "weightlifting" appears there, so I came here to see what this article might have to say about it. When was the first competitive powerlifting meet? Who evolved the combination-total for bench, squat, deadlift? Any comments about Hepburn and the evolution of non-Olympic competitive lifting?Skookum1 18:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

please see link to history website under "Removed Unverified Statement" above. i don't think there was a single founder, but there have been some extraordinary powerlifters from BC, like Robert O. Smith, first 60-year-old to bench over 500 lbs.

Scot Mendelson
I think the picture of Scot Mendelson is a bit large.--Trusader 01:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I made the picture of Scot Mendelson smaller so that it would fit on the page better. TheVault 23:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Now it seems to be gone completely...--Trusader 03:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Power Lifting v Weightlifting
I've always thought that these sports have their names the wrong way wrong. Weightlifting is actually about generating large amounts of power over short period of time, while Powerlifting is about lifting the maximum amount of weight as you. 194.200.145.5 08:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Powerlifting gear
How/why does it help? Mathmo Talk 05:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Powerlifing gear is made of really strong material and supports and supplements the lifter's own body. Basically, it's constructed to force the body into the END the position of each kind of lift. Squat and deadlift suits want the body to be upright, while the arms of a bench shirt are made so they stick straight out from the chest. A single-ply bench shirt will provide protection and usually allows the bencher to lift a little more than he/she could without a shirt. But then there are shirts made of 5-6 layers of stuff like heavy denim or even metal-reinforced canvas, and squat suits that can stand in the corner by themselves. Missm2u 14:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Power Lifting should be Natural
I Personally love Powerlifting but I also think that people are forgeting the HUMAN part about this sport.Olympic Lifting is more respected because even though the lifters may use Special techniques to make the lift a tiny bit easier the lifts are done completely by the lifters and with no help from Gear.I think that Powerlifting has a chance for injury like any other sport but since this sport is about HUMAN STRENGTH and the use of gear should be taken out; not even a Belt.I think the Basic Rules should be a Squat That breaks Parellal by Several Inches, a Full Range of Motional should dictate the Lift.So a Power Style Squat should still have the top of the Thigh go about 3 inches below the Knees.Dead Lifts are perfect as is.Now the Bench press should have no SUPER ARC the way it has now just the normal Amount that happens during a MAX lift not a lift where the ARC is more then 2 inches high.The Pause should be enough that there is no bounce or momentum in the Press.There for a pause about 1 second should be enough anything more then that will simply be endurance and not Limit strength.With the height of the Arc Regulated things like pressing lower or higher won't matter that much because the Super ARC won't be there to Aid the Lifter.With these simple changes and Rules Powerlifting could become an Olympic Sport.Also All Lifters should be Drug Free!!!!!

Article needs citations
Lots of text, no footnotes. Most of the information about the individual lifts could probably be split off into their respective articles, leaving this article to describe powerlifting in a more holistic manner - the nature and history of the sport, the federations and their differences, etc. TheRuss 23:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The descriptions of the lifts are useful because a powerlifting bench, squat, or deadlift is different than the average gym version i.e. must wait for push command on bench, feet cannot move etc... I see no reason to take them out.


 * Well, the powerlifting-specific aspects can be included in this article. But stuff like "The athlete lies on a bench. A loaded barbell rests on stands built into the bench above the eye level of the lifter when lying supine on the bench. The athlete removes the bar from the supports with the aid of one or more spotters, lowers it to the chest, pauses, and then presses it up to the full extension of the arms, then carefully returns the weight to the rack." is a combination of stuff that's obvious to anyone familiar with the exercise in general (and if they're not familiar with bench press, they can go to the bench press article to learn about the exercise) and stuff that's not necessarily true - for example, that the stands are built into the bench (some federations may mandate this, but I use a power rack and a normal bench) and that the stands should position the barbell above the eye. In any case, the claims about the rules need to be verifiable, probably using references to the federations' rulebooks - and we probably want to avoid duplicated effort (or conflicting information) in separate articles.
 * The way I'd organize it would be by putting the basics of the exercise in the bench press article (and referencing it), then creating a list of rules common to all (or major, if we can verify that) federations about each of the lifts, and finally, a table listing the differences between them. That would help to clear things up a lot, I think. What do y'all think? TheRuss 23:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Bench press picture
The caption on the picture in this article doesn't match the caption as given by the person who uploaded it, and it doesn't look like it was taken at a powerlifting competition. I figure that a picture about the sport of powerlifting should probably be of someone powerlifting at a powerlifting competition. If anyone here is going to a meet, take a picture and upload it here. TheRuss 08:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

List of federations vs. external links
Whoever removed the list of federations as a "directory of links" purged the wrong section. The list of powerlifting organizations was a bit long and unwieldy, but at bare minimum, the top-level organizations should be listed (I haven't yet had the time to tabulate the differences between the federations, but it'd certainly be worth inclusion). I think it's the external links section that really falls under that category - that's why I flagged the external links section. TheRuss 01:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Powerlifting USA cover pic
This is likely to get deleted soon as things stand. The bottom line of the fair-use tag for that picture states "Note: It is not acceptable to use images with this tag in the article of the person or persons depicted on the cover, unless used directly in connection with the publication of this image. Such usages will be removed." In other words, we cannot use mag covers simply as general illustrations. At all. 81.158.3.3 10:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow
Is this article a joke? There are so many blatant misspellings, horrible syntax, and other egregious errors. Someone really needs to clean this thing up. 71.56.2.160 18:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for volunteering. --Trusader 01:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Controversy and Olympics talk
Until someone is willing to back up these sections with reliable citations, there's no point in including them. TheRuss 21:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

All time records?
I'm not sure where these came from...

"Squat: - Heaviest Below Thighs parallel, 100 % strictly unassisted and accurate is around 385 Kg (officially) Bench: - 100 % strictly unassisted and accurate is around 285 Kg (officially) Deadlift: - 100 % strictly Unassisted and accurate is around 410 Kg (officially) Total: - estimated around 1000 Kg"

But A. there is no source and B. the numbers are wrong. The raw squat record is 948 lb and the raw bench is 715. Not sure about raw deadlifts. As for the "estimated" total record, that's just not wikiworthy. I might go ahead and change this... Alex Klotz (talk) 02:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What "records" are those ? There are so many different rules that it is really impossible to talk about records here. For instance I know that it makes a HUGE difference in performance if you held the bar for a second at the lowest position of the lift versus not hold it, the difference being in the range 6%-8%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.78.32 (talk) 15:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Weightlifting in the "west"
Weightlifting was quite popular in the "west" until USSR started to take part in world sport events in the 1950-es. It came particularly strong in the weightlifting, soon started to dominate the sport which seems to have discouraged the western athletes who started to fade in the 1960-es and disappear in the 1970-es. The Russian and Bulgarian dominance in the 1980-es appeared to have effectively killed the sport in the west. Currently there is some growing interest in the USA but it will take time to revive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.63.60.170 (talk) 01:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Training Format
"This will cause the muscle to tear and push the body to repair the muscle stronger without much increase in muscle size compared to a bodybuilder." So the goal is to achieve an injury requiring hospitalization? Are you kidding me? This article is a joke. --smellymechanic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smellymechanic (talk • contribs) 04:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Powerlifting vs. Weightlifting comparisons
I think these comparisons should really stick to empirical observations and methods. I have yet to read any conclusive research that Olympic lifting requires any more power than Powerlifting. Moving a 500 lb barbell requires the same amount of force in either sport (although this would be a paltry attempt in powerlifting circles). Any research that I have read indicates that researchers have either been mislead or are not well versed on the lifts. In two of the three powerlifts there is a controlled eccentric downstroke that requires force (i.e. work) which was never accounted for in the research I've read. The snatch and the clean-and-jerk have just the up stroke and run to get out of the way of the plummeting barbell in the downstroke. If someone knows of conclusive research where the "total" amount of work performed in powerlifts is compared to the "total" amount of work performed in Olympic lifts, I'd greatly appreciate the read. Otherwise, I'd suggest that these "power" statements are more guesswork and assumptions than fact. Please leave these unvalidated terms out of comparisons and just stick to known variables. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darakom (talk • contribs) 22:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)