Talk:PoxNora

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Consider removing the rune lists to a separate page: "List of Runes (PoxNora)" or something. Mylakovich 01:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. List of PoxNora Runes. Adam Weeden  12:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Sweet.  A list, separated by faction, would be sweet.  We could make some pretty big tables...should we separate by expansion? Mrobviousjosh (talk) 00:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Here are some notes from our beloved CSchwarz, she noticed some obvious detail issues and wanted to have me relay them to everyone here.

"Just a couple notes: 'shear numbers' should be 'sheer numbers', SOET got it wrong, and there is a far greater presence of Sonic detail in SL than there is in SP, save for Vulnerability - Sonic.

If you could pass those along to the pox wiki crew? Sankya!"-CSchwarz

--Maponiak (talk) 23:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Really? More sonic in SL??? Let's see: SL has varu howler, varu dragon, rolling shrieker...SP has echo chamber, voil screecher...wow, I guess there IS more for SL, though not by much... :/ I'll leave the theme for now, but in about a month with the next expansion, we'll try to finalize that placement a little better. ;) Mrobviousjosh (talk) 06:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

The images you uploaded are in danger of being deleted!!! Check it out, fair-use rationales must be added to each of the photos or they will be deleted by May 5th. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PoxNoraFSmain.jpg 04:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrobviousjosh (talk • contribs)

Yea....that sucks, I'll get to work on them, worst case scenario I'll re-upload newer ones and do it right this time, lol. --Maponiak (talk) 04:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

List of PoxNora Runes
I've redirected List of PoxNora Runes here and in fact deleted that list per Wikipedia is not a game guide. Pascal.Tesson 21:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * IF Wikipedia is not a game guide, why does Magic The Gathering have a page on Wikipedia entirely devoted to rules? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering_rules Mrobviousjosh (talk) 00:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Dont know anything about Wik or the game, buit this line in the artikle "But the game still sucks." seems a bit judgemental...
 * You're right, I don't know who put that there. :/ Surprised I didn't catch it last night- maybe it's new. Mrobviousjosh (talk) 00:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Screenshots
Does anyone know how to edit out those old ones and add in new ones? I am working on getting permissions from SOE-T at the moment to do so. --Maponiak (talk) 21:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Other Site Images
I want to use the faction symbols (found here: http://www.poxnora.com/index.do) for each faction in the factions section, but am still learning all the proper Wikipedia photo uploading/usage standards. If anyone could help, I think that would be a great addition to the section for increased clarity and website reinforcement. Mrobviousjosh (talk) 17:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I just added three new screenshots from SOE, all current to AA xpac. I'll add those as well. --Maponiak (talk) 04:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Done and done, check it out let me know if that's what you meant. If not I can edit as needed. (jim)--Maponiak (talk) 04:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

They look great! Definitely getting some rep for that. With the factions, those large images work, but I was talking about these ones: http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii266/mrobviousjosh/PoxFactionLogos.jpg Maybe we should do both if it's not too image heavy? Mrobviousjosh (talk) 04:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, we can, but those faction symbols are in the images I added. --Maponiak (talk) 04:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Current Information
I'm going to ask PoxFan to please stop placing redundant information on the page. I'm willing to compromise and allow links to sites, as fan sites, however the lighthouse doesn't need its own little section. One guild within a game does not belong on the wiki page. The wiki page is there to provide accurate, useful information regarding the game, not stroke the ego of certain players. If you want to harass us on the forums with that garbage, fine. But don't bring it here.

Gridlok87 (talk) 16:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I am going to have to ask you to stop deleting relevant information from the article.

Thank you. I will be reposting as soon as the lock is lifted. Guilds are a part of Poxnora and certainly deserve their own section. User:Poxfan

-- Specific information regarding individual Guilds is not relevant information; that's true for any current, active Guild in PN. A General Guild section should be added which notes what they are, how they function and other specifics such as Guild Chat being active in-game once you join a Guild; only a link to the Guild Listing page on the PN website should be included. Specific information should only pertain to the game, the PN "story" and the developers. TempleEye (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

-- Ah, ok. Sounds good. ^^ Zumguy (talk) 17:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

The Lighthouse section was just general information regarding the guild. Whats wrong with that?

poxfan

You should probably create a separate article on your guild and then link it on a guild section of the main PoxNora article. Several games and guilds do so in this manner such as Guild Wars (no funnies intended). Emries (talk) 19:43, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Guilds Section
Why not have a separate section talking about guilds in general? This section could discuss how guilds exist within the game and their benefits. And also let anyone add a tiny discussion about their guild in the "Guilds section".

I agree that there should not be a separate section for a single guild, otherwise many guilds will clutter this page with their entries.

Also there does not need to be any mention of any guild outside the separate guilds section of the poxnora wiki page.

Zumguy (talk) 17:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Zumguy we had a guild section in there originally, but it was edited out for some reason.

Nobody has ever been barred from adding their own guild, so why do they keep deleting the Lighthouse one is beyond me.

poxfan

-- It would seem that people do not want a discussion of individual guilds on the pox nora wiki page, which is completely understandable. Zumguy (talk) 17:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

It wasnt a discussion. It was general information. With verifying links BTW.

poxfan  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poxfan (talk • contribs) 17:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

The length of time that Lighthouse was up on the page and was left alone should go as proof that no one had a problem with it till the trolls from the game arrived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poxplayer (talk • contribs) 17:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Trolls or not, individual guilds do not belong on the page. This is true for every game listed on Wikipedia that includes guilds. They just clutter the page, my son.

Gridlok87 (talk) 17:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Other pages have guilds listed on them another reason it is perfectly acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poxplayer (talk • contribs) 17:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

To be fair to Gridlok could you tell me one of the games that have guilds on them so I may look at an acceptable format?

poxfan

Try, Guild Wars. Thousands of Guilds, not one mentioned. There is a guild section, however.

Gridlok87 (talk) 17:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Just giving my 2 cents here- this is clearly guild propoganda/spam and I think a small section stating that like most MMOs the game has a guild feature in which players can band together for common goals is more than appropriate. There's no need to list ANY guild (though mentioning that the top 10 daily get on the front page of the main site might be cool). I don't recall there being any information about ranking, come to think of it. Mrobviousjosh (talk) 00:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

There will be a guild section when the lock is lifted. Also no guild has contributed more to the game of poxnora than lighthouse. When the lock is lifted I will be asking poxfan to restore that section and the appropriate links. If Gridlok choses to make a guild section like we have been discussing that is fine, and the Lighthouse section can be included in there. The Lighthouse section will also be expanded to include even more data that was originally omitted since it seems that folks may be more curious now than ever before about Lighthouse.

phaeton426 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phaeton426 (talk • contribs) 12:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

A generic guild section will be created. The Lighthouse will NOT have its own area, no guilds will. The links to any fan sites regarding pox are of no consequence, however. Feel free to include the lighthouse there. I and others will continue to monitor the page in an attempt to make sure it is not defaced any further. Thanks!

Gridlok87 (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Looks like phaeton and "minions" (his words, not mine) may mean the page becomes "semi-protected" because they cna't grow up. How lame. :( Mrobviousjosh (talk) 19:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Usernames
I'm making this comment so that people think to go ahead and register their PoxNora username on Wikipedia, even if they have a different wikipedia page, so that they're not impersonated like Jimmie1982 just had happen to him. That's all. Mrobviousj (talk) 00:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Yea thanks for this Mrobvious, this IS the actual Jimmie1982 from Pox Nora, my user name on many places is Maponiak.

Maponiak (talk) 20:12, 21 April 2009

Do we have proof of this? Wikipedia is not a source for you guys to slander and spread propoganda. O.K?

phaeton426 —Preceding undated comment added 12:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC).

We have administrative proof actually, the warning below is enough.

Maponiak (talk) 14:38, 22 April 2009

Um, I posted this earlier and it may have been undone- here is the proof. Posts 46 and 47, the latter by the actual user confirming this, can be found here: http://forums.poxnora.com/showthread.php?t=25002&page=3 Mrobviousjosh (talk) 19:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:PoxNora" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrobviousjosh (talk • contribs) 21:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Warning
Any section on a specific guild from a game or a list of guilds is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Using multiple accounts to edit war is not allowed. Consider this a final warning, any account that reinserts the section without consensus will be blocked. BJ Talk 19:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Faction, Element Theme Table
I feel that this section is wrong and could be clarified. I propose a change to:
 * Faction - Example Themes
 * Foglar Swamp - Water, Poison, Psychic
 * Forsaken Wastes - Undead, Death Benefits
 * Ironfist Stronghold - Earth, Equipment
 * Shattered Peaks - Beasts, "Bats"
 * Sundered Lands - Dragons, Sand
 * Underdepths - Fire, Demons

The table format will stay the same I am just proposing a change to the contents.

Zumguy (talk) 21:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand your thoughts BUT realize what you're asking- FS, FW, and IS for example don't have any subraces. SP, SL, and UD include some.  I don't like that.  Adding equipment to IS is cool- I thought I added sand to SL already... Mrobviousjosh (talk) 21:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The themes are lacking quite badly. Even in the edit you are proposing. I believe it should be based on game tactics, rather than abilities/races. --Maponiak (talk) 21:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting points guys.
 * Mainly I just don't like the slashes in the table, it should be commas. Also We should change the heading from "Element Theme" to something that is a little more clear that there are more possible themes, elemental and non elemental, than the themes that we list.  Lastly I don't understand the stone/sonic themes of Shattered Peaks.
 * Is there any "new line" command so I can separate different points without using the bullets? I don't like large potions of unformatted text.

Zumguy (talk) 22:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe try Tactical/Battle Themes? Also I think the SP one was based around SP's voil and their Sonic, as well as Avalanche and many other "rock" based parts of Shattered Peaks. --Maponiak (talk) 22:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. SP has more of these damage types than other factions (like KF w/ magic). Mrobviousjosh (talk) 01:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It will be difficult to base the themes off of game tactics as there are so many different tactics that can be used. Such themes will also not be readily apparent to a person just looking at the game and runes before they decide to buy into the game.  If we base the "themes" off of races, abilities, or other runes it will be easier for the potential player to notice them while browsing the game site.  For example it will be easy for the potential player to notice the "Tree theme" when looking at the Kthir Forest faction page and the kthir forest single rune store.  It might be difficult for them to notice a "Grimlic's Mirror Deck Theme" or a "Rush Theme" when looking at Kthir Forest on the website. -- Zumguy (talk) 22:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

What about adding in an actual quote from Pox Nora based on each individual Faction, like: --Maponiak (talk) 22:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Forglar Swamp: The main attributes of Forglar Swamp is their manipulation of water, the strength of their healers and their ability to extract additional Nora from the land. If you enjoy small, mobile units and elemental based spell-casting, Forglar may be the faction for you.
 * Forsaken Waste: The Forsaken Wastes faction has the ability to overrun enemies due to its low-cost champions and its ability to quickly summon units back to the battlefield once destroyed. If you enjoy playing a slow developing but never-ending army of undead champions, The Forsaken Wastes may be the faction for you. Note: Forsaken Wastes tends to be best played by more advanced players.
 * Ironfist Stronghold: The Ironfist units are primarily defensive, and are very hard to bring down. Slow and steady, Ironfist champions have an innate resistance to spell damage and with their armor and healing, have some of the best survivability in the game. If you enjoy playing tough-as-nails melee champs, Ironfist may be the faction for you.
 * K'thir Forest: The main attributes of the K'Thir Forest is the speed of their warriors, the vast amounts of ranged champions and the nature spells they utilize against their enemies. If you enjoy fast-moving range-based combat, K'Thir may be the faction for you.
 * Savage Tundra: The power of the Savage Tundra faction lies in their ability to immobilize the enemy with devastating area-of-effect spells and ranged frost attacks. If you enjoy playing a chilly game of freeze tag with your opponents, The Savage Tundra may be the faction for you.
 * Shattered Peaks: The Shattered Peaks win by the shear number of units available, as well as the symbiotic relationship of the main races. If you enjoy playing a fast developing, potentially overwhelming army of champions, The Shattered Peaks may be the faction for you.
 * Sundered Lands: The Sundered Lands units, with their dragon-scale plating and regeneration, are some of the toughest units in the game. If you enjoy playing dragons, reptiles and unstoppable tank units, The Sundered Lands may be the faction for you.
 * Underdepths: The Underdepths units do one thing and they do it very well: they deliver pain and punishment. Their key stat is damage, and are populated with some of the hardest hitting melee champions in the game. If you enjoy playing hard-hitting close-combat units, The Underdepths may be the faction for you.


 * We'd be quoting an awful lot instead of writing an article...*shrugs* Mrobviousjosh (talk) 01:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Given the creative aspect of deckbuilding, I think a summary of each faction (quotes included) would limit the initial observer. Instead, I have added the recent addition of "Theme Decks" as examples. We can also add some forum guides on bg-building as well. Emries (talk) 19:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Heroes
Since avatars, like shrines, are integral, unavoidable portions of the game, it makes sense they're in the game. I'm wondering though if heroes, which represent the epitome of each faction, should be included. I think it may open up a slippery slope though because people could then start lists about titans and whatever other big things come out. Just looking for some feedback before I added that info. Thanks. Mrobviousjosh (talk) 22:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Let's wait until this next expansion, see if the new heroes will be from the stories, like Serkan, or not. Then we can go from there. My 2c anyway. --Maponiak (talk) 22:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Octopi, Inc.
I was wondering if we should continue using the "Octopi, Inc. released" before certain expansions or not. Since the game was created by Octopi up at the top and the change to SOE has been noted, I think this is unnecessary. Also on the subject of Octopi, Inc., I was thinking of starting a page about the company but between trying to figure out the licensing of their actual logo and information about the company, with the small like 2-3 lines I found on the Pox website, I wasn't quite sure there was enough information to warrant a page about the company. Perhaps some of the Octopi staff members would help??? Mrobviousjosh (talk) 17:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Making an Octopi site might be cool, sort of "History of Pox" thing. But like you said with noting releases by Octopi, I'd say make it "Pox Nora Team" instead of SOE-T or Octopi. As has been stated, SOE-T will be working on more than just Pox Nora now, or soon anyway. On a side not, SOE-T is actively seeking a 3D Artist for PS3 console work. :) --Maponiak (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Octopi does not exist any longer. They are now Sony Online Entertainment, Tuscon.

69.159.72.144 (talk) 22:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

We know this man lol, we're just saying should the older expansions be accredited to Octopi or not, since before then SOE had no hand in anything. --Maponiak (talk) 02:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Yep, yep, yep. It's also nice background for the game since they developed it, even if they're no longer an existing company (I wouldn't be surprised if lots of companies were listed in Wikipedia that are no longer in existence- Enron comes to mind). Mrobviousjosh (talk) 20:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I added the list of designers from the original team at Octopi, I also added Octopi Media Design Lab (the actual name of the company, not Octopi Inc.) to the list of developers. I'll get started working on a page for the company so the link will actually go somewhere. Elmoonlsd —Preceding undated comment added 20:10, 1 December 2011 (UTC).