Talk:Prairie View A&M University/Archive 1

Prairie View A&M?
I thought the A&M no longer stood for Agricultural and Mechanical? This is the case for Texas A&M. After all, Prairie View offers degrees in business, engineering, juvenile justice, nursing, etc. These fields would not be offered in an agricultural and mechanical school. Thus, I think the article's name should be changed to "Prairie View A&M University." Prairie view is the best school in all of texas--Blueag9 06:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The page has been moved accordingly. &mdash; User:ACupOfCoffee @ 01:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Prairie VIew has been in existence since 1876 and there are many traditions that make up student life at PV. The traditions section should be expanded with "Hump Day." More information on Homecoming and its traditions, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendelswerk (talk • contribs) 23:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism
This article has been directly copied from pages of the university's website.
 * The second paragraph has been directly copied from: http://www.pvamu.edu/pages/599.asp
 * The section on history has been directly copied from: http://www.pvamu.edu/pages/605.asp

Please rewrite the article and avoid plagiarism. Plagiarism is against Wikipedia policy. Blueag9 00:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:PVAM.PNG
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Athletics
It's been proposed to create a new article for Prairie View A&M Panthers (as I write this it is a re-direct) to cover their athletic programs. This is a good move from my point of view, as many colleges and universities have similar articles. Prairie View has been active in sports for over a century and it should be no problem to create a quality article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Be bold. NThomas (talk) 11:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Given this still hasn't been done I'm removing the tag. Though feel free to do it if you wish. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 18:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Notable graduates
Eric Skoglund 		Founder, CEO and President of Etz Chaim Center for Jewish Learning. Could someone check this. I haven't found association after a search.Iss246 (talk) 02:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC) Admiral David Brewer, former Los Angeles Unified School District Chief should be added as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendelswerk (talk • contribs) 23:06, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

The Gold Members Club
I am trying to add:

THE Gold Members Club

The Gold Members Club is the official fan club of Prairie View A&M University. We support our University in every athletic and academic endeavor available, through a true demonstration of Panther Spirit. We exist to enhance the experience of the Prairie View Man and Woman during their tenure here at Prairie View A&M University. We uphold the principles of Unity, Pride, Productivity, and Tradition. Striving to keep the PV Panther Spirit strong, the Gold Members Club will spread the good news of Prairie View A&M University, and represent the ideal Prairie View Man and Woman by promoting healthy spiritual, mental, and physical development. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pvamugmc (talk • contribs) 03:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Campus map
Here is: WhisperToMe (talk) 11:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.pvamu.edu/Include/Campus_map/Campus_Map.pdf
 * Also: http://www.pvamu.edu/Include/Space_mgmt/Campus_Master_Plan/1-Existing.ai.pdf

Old campus housing
Before University College and University Village, there were (these pages include pictures!): Alexander, Buchanan, and Holley have been demolished. Others may have been as well.
 * Alexander Hall: http://web.archive.org/web/19980525200016/http://www.pvamu.edu/map/alex.html
 * Banks Hall: http://web.archive.org/web/19980525200004/http://www.pvamu.edu/map/banks.html
 * Buchanan Hall: http://web.archive.org/web/19980525200022/http://www.pvamu.edu/map/buchll.html
 * Drew Hall: http://web.archive.org/web/19980525200010/http://www.pvamu.edu/map/drew.html
 * L. O. Evans Hall: http://web.archive.org/web/19980525200041/http://www.pvamu.edu/map/loevans.html
 * Fuller Hall: http://web.archive.org/web/19980525200028/http://www.pvamu.edu/map/fuller.html
 * Holley Hall: http://web.archive.org/web/19980525200034/http://www.pvamu.edu/map/holley.html
 * Suarez-Collins Hall: http://web.archive.org/web/19970204221539/http://pvamu.edu/suarez.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20010412103923/http://129.207.85.43/Housing.htm - Shows that Drew, Banks, and University Village were the active ones after 1999 and before 2000

At http://www.pvamu.edu/Include/Space_mgmt/Campus_Master_Plan/1-Existing.ai.pdf (map of existing buildings) the following are still listed:
 * "Banks Hall," "Drew Hall," "Evans Hall", "L. O. Evans," "Fuller Hall," and "Suarez-Collins"

"Evans Hall" is listed as an administrative building http://www.pvamu.edu/files/human_resources/docs/Campus%20Map%2008.pdf - BUT it's not the same as "L. O. Evans Hall" - http://web.archive.org/web/19971210062153/http://www.pvamu.edu/map/index.html shows that "Evans Building" and "L. O. Evans" are two different facilities. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:13, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

University College
WhisperToMe (talk) 06:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.pvamu.edu/pages/1060.asp
 * http://www.webcitation.org/679mGEP2P
 * http://www.pvamu.edu/pages/1061.asp
 * http://www.webcitation.org/679mJlG4A

==Access WhisperToMe (talk) 06:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * English: http://www.pvamu.edu/Include/University%20College/access_2005.pdf
 * http://www.webcitation.org/679mKzr0R
 * Spanish: http://www.pvamu.edu/Include/University%20College/access_spanish_2005.pdf
 * http://www.webcitation.org/679mNx48f

BLP revdel
I have removed text from the "cheerleading" subsection that was unreferenced, and after extensive searching, unreferencable, that made serious allegations against the school, including named persons from it. I have accordingly, under Wikipedia's BLP policy, revision-deleted the edits that contain the content. Please remember that all potentially controversial information in any namespace or article that refers to a living person must be referenced. Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:19, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This content continues to be readded, most recently with links to what were said to be court documents on a filesharing site. Claims such as these require reliable, third party sources such as newspaper reports; primary sources are not adequate. Given the glaring lack of apparent news coverage of what would have been a major scandal if the allegations stated in the article were true, I believe that while the tragic events mentioned happened (these can be verified), the claims regarding the university's conduct did not (utterly failing WP:V). - The Bushranger One ping only 03:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, let's make this very clear: if the school really HAD called a student and told them they couldn't sue anyone, and if certain high officials of the school had in fact committed perjury over the incident, this would have been all over the news. Yet there is no news whatsoever about it. Google news search for "Prairie View"+"[name]"+"Perjury" = no hits, Google news search for "Prairie View"+"[other name]"+"Perjury" = no hits. The only source for this claim is a Facebook page that appears to have the added content verbatim - making it not just a BLP violation but copyright infringement to boot. Saying "the invesigation showed X, here's the papers" does nothing - it shows the investigation showed X, not that Y was claimed. This has every appearance of a smear-and-slander campaign, and as it has been carried out for over two years now, being repeatedly re-added by a broad span of IP addresses that make a rangeblock impossible, the article is going to be semi-protected for a long period of time. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * affidavits sworn to under oath and deposition transcripts are reliable documents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcpatterson87 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If they were printed in a newspaper, yes. Provided on a filesharing site, no. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Someone should take the time to actually READ the documents in the link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcpatterson87 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * someone needs to review the documents available at the download link. They prove the corruption within the university. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcpatterson87 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Then why is there no newspaper coverage? Why are there no WP:RS reporting this? - The Bushranger One ping only 03:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 July 2013


Wcpatterson87 (talk) 02:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Please provide a third-party source, from a newspaper, about corruption and coverups, and then this might be considered. Also statments like "had the audacity" are not encyclopedic language. Provide a third-party, reliable source, not primary documents on a filesharing site. Just to be totally clear here: Wikipedia's policy on living persons requires that all controversial or potentially defamatory on living people must be referenced to third-party reliable sources of the highest order - the content you keep attempting to re-add to the article can not be included without them, full stop. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * See also WP:BLPPRIMARY: Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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Inclusion of CollegeNET ranking in lead
An editor is edit-warring to include mention of a ranking from CollegeNET in the lead of this article. It's distressingly common to include rankings in the leads of articles for colleges and universities but I object to this one largely because the ranking is relatively new and somewhat obscure. In fact, the only reference that is included in the article is a press release from the university itself and that can hardly be considered independent! It might be appropriate to include this in the body of the article but it has no place in the lead. In fact, it sticks out like a sore thumb in an otherwise useful and informative lead. ElKevbo (talk) 10:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * An editor is edit-warring because he's extremely biased and lacks knowledge on the subject matter at hand. He claims that CollegeNet ranking is illegitimate so he deleted it but he also deleted in the introduction that PVAMU is the second oldest state-sponsored institution in the state which is something that the university heralds proudly and majorly plays into the identity of the university  ..... his editing practices are clearly flawed and random. The CollegeNet rankings are legitimate because they've been cited by Yahoo, Businesswire, the Houston Chronicle, many colleges, etc.  So due to its national exposure and usage, it's not some obscure ranking and the editor in question is being dogmatic and neglected to do his due diligence which is why is rebuttal is silly and won't be taking seriously.Broadmoor (talk) 12:20, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * First, you don't appear to understand edit-warring. One revert is not an edit war and is in fact a widely accepted part of normal practice here (e.g., WP:BRD); multiple edits that have the same effect are an edit war.  In this instance, you originally added the material so your revert of my edit is what begins an edit war.  I know that you have an irrational dislike for me but that in no way excuses your behavior.  You're going to be blocked at some point if you (a) continue your habit of reflexively reverting others' edits and engaging in edit wars without first making attempts at discussion and (b) continue attacking other editors.
 * Second, I have already noted that the ranking in question may be appropriate for inclusion in the body. But what about this one ranking makes it so critical that it must be included in the lead?  Why is this essential to readers' understanding of the entirety of this university?  Please note that the source used in the article is self-serving as it's from the university itself so it's not clear to me that anyone else even took note of this university's position in this ranking.
 * Third, you're correct that I removed the fact that this is "the second oldest state-sponsored institution in the state." That was a mistake and I'd have no complaint at all if that were the only thing that was restored.  However, that the "heralds proudly" this fact is almost irrelevant; we're not here to promote institutions or slavishly repeat their claims.
 * So we're clear, the question on the table is: What is so important about this ranking that it should be highlighted in the lead of this article? ElKevbo (talk) 12:57, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Date of campus photo appears to be incorrect
The caption states that this photo is dated about 1876. The article states that the first eight students began studying on the former plantation in 1878. First, the university in this photo does not look like a plantation, and second, it would appear to have many more students. I would suggest that this photo might have been taken in the 1890s or even later. H-2-O (talk) 13:31, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I changed the caption to "an early campus photo" until someone can furnish the correct date. H-2-O (talk) 13:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

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Prairie View State Normal School
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