Talk:Prayagraj district

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2018
"change Allahabad to Prayagraj" 157.43.45.9 (talk) 17:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ for two reasons: per WP:COMMONNAME and per the fact that the name change needs to be approved by the Indian Government before becoming official. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 17:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2018
122.170.97.55 (talk) 12:54, 24 October 2018 (UTC) Make it Prayagraj instead of Allahabad.
 * ❌ per WP:COMMONNAME. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 12:55, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Name of the district
The name of the district has been changed to Prayagraj District and this should be reflected in the article. Whilst I can fully understand reluctance to change the name of the settlement of Allahabad / Prayagraj due to COMMONNAME, I don't see how this applies to a district which is not a settlement but a political entity. There is president for the change as Faizabad District was renamed a few days ago to Ayodhya District and this is already reflected on Wikipedia (including a change in article title) with no controversy. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 16:31, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * AFAIK it applies throughout the English Wikipedia, I know of no distinction between "settlements" and "political sub-units" The reader coming across the article may think they are in the wrong place when all the references are to a name other than the article title. - Arjayay (talk) 16:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


 * It would be appropriate to move this page from Allahabad district to Prayagraj district to avoid such confusion. Currently readers are led to believe there is a political entity in India called "Allahabad District" when there is actually not so very misleading and confusing. My edits clearly state that the entity currently known as "Prayagraj District was indeed known as Allahabad District until October 2018. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 16:43, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Also, just read the previous text "Allahabad District, officially Prayagraj District, is... and see how ridiculous and un-encyclopedia like that wording sounds. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 16:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Common name does not apply only to cities. And stating that Prayagraj is the official name is just fine. And +1 for Arjayay's point about consistency.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 14:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Cordyceps-Zombie above as the administrative Entity is Prayagraj District and settlement is Allahabad/Prayagraj. There is a separate page for each and the names should also reflect the difference. In addition a redirect from Allahabad District to Prayagraj District should be setup. YadavSandeep —Preceding undated comment added 16:53, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Proposed edit - change opening to read "Prayagraj district, Previously known as known as Allahabad district" - this mirrors the wording used on the article about the capital city of Kazakhstan where such wording was added on the day that the city was officially renamed (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astana). There were no common name objections raised to those words on that page and that should also be the case here. I will make these changes if there are no objections. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 16:42, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Why is it still titled "Allahabad District" when it's been over three years since the official name was changed Iamgreat4eva (talk) 12:26, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Proposed page move
I propose that this page moves from "Allahabad district" an obsolete name for this country sub-division to "Prayagraj district" the correct legal name for this district. There is president on Wikipedia for this when political entities are renamed, the page titles are changed to reflect this for example in the case of "Macedonia" becoming "North Macedonia", the page was moved on the same day as that was the new common name for that political. If we don't reflect name changes, we might as well have articles entitled "Saigon", "Leopoldville", "Rhodesia", Leningrad, "Dahomy" etc. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 16:50, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You can't do it here. The discussion is at Talk:Allahabad where people agreed to keep it as Allahabad as per WP:COMMONNAME. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Change this page name
There is no district in Uttar Pradesh by the name of Allahabad. Prayagraj district is an official name. Please rename this page Segabrand (talk) 14:45, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

https://prayagraj.nic.in/ Segabrand (talk) 14:48, 1 June 2020 (UTC) Struck sock comments Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 11:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Exactly the same answer as at Talk:Allahabad - We obviously know that - that is why the article opens "Allahabad district, officially known as Prayagraj district" - but as repeatedly explained, this is the English Wikipedia and we use the WP:COMMONNAME in English, which is Allahabad. - Arjayay (talk) 14:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Change: I actually beg to differ on that. Changing the name to Prayagraj, for all pages related, would not only make more sense but follow with its emerging usage, instead of Allahabad. I know many international people who refer to Prayagraj instead of Allahabad--Hari147 (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Change: User:Hari147, User:Arjayay Keeping the name Allahabad makes no sense. Nowhere it is used in that sense anymore. Even in the media it is used as Prayagraj nowadays.
 * See the following :
 * https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/lucknow-news/ganga-expressway-gets-cabinet-approval-101630605973992.html
 * https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/covid-19-patient-who-went-missing-from-prayagraj-hospital-3-months-ago-still-not-found/article36014891.ece
 * https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/movies/sidharth-shukla-the-quiet-boy-with-bollywood-dreams/article36287235.ece
 * https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/national/indian-railways-first-ac-3-tier-economy-coach-to-chug-off-from-prayagraj-on-monday/article36287055.e
 * https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/sport-others/history-beckons-ias-officer-suhas-yathiraj-at-tokyo-paralympics-7488758/
 * So actually Prayagraj has now become WP:COMMONNAME. It has become a necessity and it avoids controversies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TiredWalk (talk • contribs) 05:50, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @TiredWalk This is about the district and not the city. The correct talk page you want to comment is Talk:Allahabad — DaxServer (talk to me) 08:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @User:DaxServer,User:Arjayay I am talking about changing the name of the district only, not that of the city. It doesn't matter and doesn't show how it nullifies any of the evidence i have provided above that even the popular media organisations, common public usage and official use is Prayagraj. You are just skirting the issue. WP:COMMONNAME itself shows that the usage is Prayagraj district. I don't know if it isn't arm-twisting or what. TiredWalk (talk) 12:10, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't understand that why such highly respected, learned and intellectual Editors of Wikipedia think that we need consensus to edit the official name of Allahabad to Prayagraj... We just need brains to google search it on official websites and news articles and verify. That's it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aakash Singh India (talk • contribs) 10:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The reason is that Wikipedia does not have a preference for WP:OFFICIALNAME; instead, we use the name that is most commonly used by reliable English sources. There is overwhelming evidence that Allahabad district is the WP:COMMONNAME in English. An investigation into the frequency of usage of the two terms in published books in English indexed by Google and plotted in ngrams, shows that there are too few occurrences of Prayagraj district to meet the minimum threshold required by ngrams in order to be able to plot the data.  Likewise, if you do a search in published academic journals, you will find that of the first 50 articles shown, all 50 48 mention Allahabad district and zero two mention Prayagraj district, at least for now. (If you restrict results exclusively to articles published since 2018, the result is 47–3 49–1.) There may come a day when Prayagraj distrct is the more common name for the district, but we are not there yet. I hope this resolves any questions you may have about the title of this article. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 16:09, 24 September 2021 (UTC)  figures updated per Dax's comment below; by Mathglot (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mathglot You missed a double quote before Allahabad in the scholar links  — DaxServer (talk to me) 16:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dax; I've added them back in, and will have to reverify the result counts to ensure they are not affected. Mathglot (talk) 17:09, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * After restoring missing quotes, the correct figures are: 48–2 (all) and 49–1 (since 2018). Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Dear, Thank you for your reply with such detailed explaination. I got your point and I'm sorry for being slight harsh. Plz don't mind. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aakash Singh India (talk • contribs) 16:52, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries; it's all good. Mathglot (talk) 17:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit notice added
Due to recent changes to the wording Allahabad district in favor of Prayagraj in the body of the article, I've added a temporary Edit notice scheduled to expire in a month, to see if that tamps it down somewhat. If the number of such edits jumps again after the edit notice expires on 26 October, we can reinstate it for a longer period. However, that doesn't have any effect on mobile users. Mathglot (talk) 20:39, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In view of increased attempts to alter the name after the expiration of the edit notice, I've extended it to 16 May 2023. Mathglot (talk) 11:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 26 April 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Allahabad district → Prayagraj district – Since the page of the city Prayagraj has been moved from 'Allahabad' to 'Prayagraj', I think it's time to do the same with this page I.e. move it to 'Prayagraj district'. Hq cities are generally the eponym to the district, and also the name has been officially changed, with this being the common name. Wikediter.fact (talk) 00:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support for moving to Prayagraj district, in line with official name 209.23.10.85 (talk) 13:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support: Official name reflecting in most of the places. Should reflect in wikipedia also.Vijethnbharadwaj (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support - There was already a long discussion and consensus on name change of Allahabad to Prayagraj after being official for many years. Its natural the district name should be updated. Rather redundant now to keep the old name of an administrative district when the the place name has already been updated. – JayB91 (talk) 13:05, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support - Since the name of the city has been changed to its official name after very long discussion, I think it totally makes sense to change the name of the district to its official name as well. Krishna Dahal (talk) 19:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support Prayagraj is the common and official name of this district. Govt. changed the name of Allahabad to Prayagraj in 2018. In newspapers, television, and everywhere prayagraj name is so common now. Its right time to change the Wikipedia title name as Prayagraj district. I hope you will change the name of this Wikipedia title after see my message. Thank you. Bikapur (talk) 07:53, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose. So where is the evidence that "Prayagraj District" is the commonly-used English name for the district?  Google scholar certainly does not support it.  The official name was changed in 2018, and yet the old name, "Allahabad District" is more than twice as common as "Prayagraj District". WP:COMMONNAME should apply.
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 * -- Toddy1 (talk) 11:25, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Just a note that Google Scholar, being an index of academic publications only, is not a reliable indicator of what is prevalent in actual usage, including e.g. mainstream media. — kashmīrī  TALK  22:47, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Just a note that Google Scholar, being an index of academic publications only, is not a reliable indicator of what is prevalent in actual usage, including e.g. mainstream media. — kashmīrī  TALK  22:47, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per above and my comment at the "division" RM that Google Scholar includes historical uses -- a scholarly paper referring to Allahabad district in the 1930s is not evidence regarding what the common name is today. Walt Yoder (talk) 20:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Stark support this time only pointing to the discussion we had earlier with the city of Prayagraj - of course the district will bear the same name as the city! Tecumseh*1301 (talk) 22:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong Support for moving this page per nomination. 17:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC) [Signed by User:Zoglophie]