Talk:Prayer callus

proposal for deletion
somobody proposed this article for deletion citing this phenomena is unverfied, only slightly probable, and has got a hint of «mythology about strange foreigners» to it

This person has obviously never been to Egypt. I originally created this topic after a trip to egypt, where the prayer bump is ubiquitous, but the internet gave very scant resources about this phenomenon. I will add some references in popular culture to the article and I have removed the deletion tag Mtl1969 18:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

zebibah
One problem might be that the article spells it a different way (owing to transliteration variations, no doubt).

New York Times had a lengthy article about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/world/africa/18egypt.html?ex=1355634000&en=2f2adb6a34000ce2&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.213.57.50 (talk) 20:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there a good citation for this? One blogger says this term is actually used by secularists as an insult to those who have it. BrotherSulayman (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Merger
I propose this be merged into Salat.Bless sins (talk) 03:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

why? you might as well merge 'prayer rug' into salat. or 'salat' into 'islam'. id a subject is notable enough to warrant artciels in a few papers (see links) it certainly deserves an entry in Wikipedia. So I disagree. Mtl1969 (talk) 19:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The use of the word 'rubbing'
I think the use of word rubbing gives a very wrong perception to a lay person, who might think that in order to obtain a hardened spot on your forehead, muslims rub their forehead on the mat during prostration, which is absolutely incorrect. I wish for it to be replaced by a more scientifically derived explanation. Also, its not as rare to see this phenomenon among muslims, as this article makes it out to be. Here in India I see quite many people having a zebibah. Such baseless assumption seems to be provoking people to believe that zebibah occurs when a person desires to have it through longer and more 'rubbed' prostrations. Rather, it occurs quite naturally over time (through years), because a muslim who prays 5 times a day puts down his head about 40-70 times a day on a mattress, which is about 1200 times a month and 14400 times a year. --Imdad.ahmed (talk) 13:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Al-Qaeda leader's Picture
Why do you want to put up the photo of a convicted terrorist to represent muslims who have a mark of sincere devotion to God on their foreheads? This shocking and sad, please replace it. --Imdad.ahmed (talk) 13:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I do agree with you, but can you find a decent photo to replace it? --Dyaa (talk) 14:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I disagree... bring it back. If he's got the rug burn, then why shouldn't he be the poster boy for it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.123.202 (talk) 03:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Mustafa_Abdul_Jalil.jpg This link shows Libyan politician Mustafa Abdul Jalil with his prayer bump.It will fit better than a terrorist while referencing to a feature common in Muslim society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.5.1.30 (talk) 14:42, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 19 March 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move to the proposed title in an under-attended RM. However, since there is an agreement that "bump" is unencyclopedic, I'll move to the suggested Prayer callus as an improvement. No such user (talk) 12:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

– (AND rename the current Zabiba page "Zabiba (disambiguation)" for the purpose of disambiguation redirects) - the reason being that "prayer bump" is not clearly the common name for this subject, by a long shot.In fact, "prayer bump" is not used in a single one of the sources actually referenced by the article. Though we're not talking very decisive numbers, Google scholar also produces 104 hits for zabiba or its alternative spellings to just 39 hits for prayer bump (in many cases as a bracketed explanation after the term zabiba/zebiba/zebibah is used). In terms of the choice of spelling, while it's a bit of a toss up between the different spellings, zabiba is the most straightforward Arabic transliteration, so makes sense to use by default. Ngram, while it might snare some other uses of the term (such as sources using Zabiba as an alternative spelling of the historic queen Zabibe), also presses this spelling and all but kicks the other two into the long grass. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Jerm (talk) 01:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Prayer bump → Zabiba
 * Zabiba → Zabiba (disambiguation)
 * Requested move of associated disambig per nom. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:22, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose, first problem fails per WP:NOPRIMARY due to other uses, second fails by colloquialism, instead move to Prayer callus per WP:COMMONNAME in books: "bump" simply is not the correct term, this is a prayer callus in majority of sources, including the NY Times article cited, or less likely Zabiba (callus) though Zabeeba seems to occur too. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment no vote. On the one hand, romanization of Arabic tends to have inconsistent spelling, and I'm not sure any specific loan-word is common enough to be the title of the article.  On the other hand, I'm not sure "prayer bump" is a good title either. User:力 (powera,  π,  ν ) 19:56, 2 April 2022 (UTC)