Talk:Pre-tertiary-education accreditation

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Seems to me the title is jargon based. E.g., what is "Pre-tertiary-education"? (I had never heard of the term despite spending 12+ years in various educational establishments before entering college.) A new editor has been working on an Educational accreditation article, which may be a better basis/article title for the topic. – S. Rich (talk) 01:39, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. The title is terrible. I recall concern somewhere that "Elementary and secondary school accreditation" or "Primary and secondary school accreditation" are too U.S. focused, but maybe not. I think Educational accreditation won't work because it covers higher education accreditation, too, as it should. What else do you suggest? Novaseminary (talk) 01:52, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I see the scheme as: "accreditation" -> "education/al accreditation" (vs. hospital accreditation or other types) -> "level of schooling" (like university or schools, etc.). If so, each article can have US and non-US subsections or accompanying/supplemental articles. With this scheme in mind, "School accreditation" (which redirects to Educational accreditation) might work. (This is not a topic that I am hot about. My first concern was encouragement of a new editor who has a more direct and knowledgeable interest in the topic.) – S. Rich (talk) 03:20, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Right. All three of those "levels" exist already and should continue to exist: 1) Accreditation --> 2) Education/al accreditation and, in other branches, many other types of accreditation --> 3) Pre-tertiary-education accreditation and Higher education accreditation (and this branch could include any other type of educational accreditation that is worthy of an article). The only issue seems to me to be what to name this article.


 * If "school" meant "pre-tertiary education" throughout the English-speaking world, then I would favor renaming this article "School accreditation". However, in the U.S., at least, the term "school" includes higher education (as noted in the unsourced School section), so that title would be no more specific than "Education accreditation" which is at the wrong "level" for this article. If it were only relevant to the U.S., I think we might be able to call it "K-12 accreditation" since that is at least one term used to cover most of what the phrase "Pre-tertiary-education accreditation" describes. The K-12 article notes this is a term for "primary and secondary education". Maybe the phrase "primary and secondary education" is comprehensive enough to cover the topic of this article and is used widely enough to be globally appropriate. That would make an appropriate name for this article "Primary and secondary education accreditation" or "Accreditation of primary and secondary education", both of which redirect here.


 * Though it might be, I don't know whether "primary and secondary education accreditation" is as comprehensive as or exactly synonymous with as "pre-tertiary education accreditation". Are there other types of "pre-tertiary" education for which there is accreditation beyond primary and secondary education. Pre-k comes to mind - not primary or secondary education, but still pre-tertiary.


 * To sum up my thinking, if the subject covered in this article has nothing to do with pre-K (either because pre-k is not subject to accreditation or because another article should cover "Pre-k accreditation"), then the "pre-tertiary" should give way to "primary and secondary" as they would be synonymous in practice and I think globally ok. If "pre-tertiary education accreditation" actually covers or should cover more than "primary and secondary education accreditation", we should leave the title alone as an accurate if ugly-sounding description until somebody comes up with a phrase that is equally comprehensive/descriptive/accurate, but less awkward to switch it to.
 * Novaseminary (talk) 04:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I shall leave it to you and Orlady and Awolfram to sort out. (But perhaps a discussion on the WikiProject Education talk page or a WP:RFC will help.) – S. Rich (talk) 05:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I have just been bold and made an edits to the text to place this within the US regional contenxt (Mid-west). All global education topics need to have a solid internationally acceptable definition- ie UNESCO. The term should have a history that we can document. |ISCED] doesn't mention it, and it not found in. I will add a a see also to ISCED ClemRutter (talk) 11:00, 10 March 2017 (UTC)