Talk:Pregap

DVD and SACD
Can pregaps exist on DVD and SACD? 203.26.37.35 02:27, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is that I've heard of, although people do hide things in other ways on DVDs such as the Troy DVD which contained a comical short linked from part of the horse's neck on the menu. Chappy84 11:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

List of Albums
Should we perhaps make a seperate page out of the list of albums with hidden tracks, since it could easily be twice as long. For instance, Melt Banana has a 0th track on "Charlie": a cover of "Neat, neat, neat" by The Damned. 86.88.102.93 18:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There is a general list of albums containing hidden tracks at: List of albums containing a hidden track. I created this list as I thought there should be one of albums containing this specific type of hidden track.  I feel the page without this list is rather short so I think it should stay here. In my opinion it would be a bit pointless to move it to another page. Chappy84 11:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that it should be moved - please do it if you agree :) Luminifer (talk) 05:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems like everyone agrees. I'm removing tag.--74.215.12.50 (talk) 00:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Recording Pregaps
Is there anyway of recording pregap tracks through a computer? (eg. ripping) Ps2aphex 12:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See the computer section at the bottom of the page. There are current ways using Linux, other ways would have to be searched on the net, although since EAC supports extraction of pre-gap on windows and supports writing on some cd-r drives it may support burning of a pre-gap track.  Chappy • T • C • 18:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Step-by-step play instructions?
Is there anyone who can elaborate on the process of getting to the pregap for playback? Also, can this be done in a portable cd player with the safety switch disabled? After a "normal" cd has initialized, and swapping the disk so that the data from the pregap appears where the player believes track 1 is.

71.10.68.225 19:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * On my Sony portable CD player (where I discovered a huge pre-gap thanks to the unexpected noise the head made when it moved to the start of track 1), it worked this way: press Play, press Pause, press Rewind until you almost reach the start of the pre-gap, release the Pause, enjoy. The only difficult step was to stop pressing Rewind at the right time, because when you reached the start of the pre-gap, the player reset the head position... to the start of track 1. :-( Of course, the only way to know the length of the pre-gap was to try and see when it would reset. 145.242.11.3 (talk) 11:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

To merge, or not
Let's do this correctly, without just deleting info wholesale. Should the list be MERGED into List of albums containing a hidden track, or should it stay here (or possibly, have its own page). For starters, not all albums are on hidden track page, so killing things here isn't the best option bluntly like that. I do, however, see nothing wrong with merging it into there, provided the fact that these are pregap hiddens is not lost. A seperate list would work too, considering the size it's getting toward. I would also note that that page links to this one in its intro. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 17:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I jumped a little too quickly, I'm sorry.  I had assumed that list already included all of those.  Perhaps then just a split of this section into its own page then would be best? —Cliffb 18:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

HTOA
I suggest that a redirect page be made for HTOA/htoa (hidden track one audio) to here since one does not exist yet --TeknoJnky (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The pregap ("index 00") is typically two seconds long and usually, but not always, contains silence. I think this is mostly on CD-Rs; it’s the burning software’s default. On older albums, it’s usually a bit longer; more recent records seem to have very little gaps between tracks at all, and if there is any silence, it seems to often be part of the track preceding, not encoded as the pregap. —Wiki Wikardo 07:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * This is definitely not limited to CD-Rs. Really old CDs (mid-80's) had 2-second gaps between each track. Maybe this was enforced by standards, by limited-availability mastering software, or due to limitations of early players. I have a few CDs where several tracks from the LP were put in a single CD track because there was apparently no way to avoid the gaps on the CD (and the LP had no gaps). More recent CDs either have small random gaps between tracks, or no gaps at all. However, all CDs still have a 2-second gap before track 1 (often slightly more, like 2 seconds and 33 frames). 145.242.11.3 (talk) 11:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources/Original Research
This article has but two references, both footnotes:

1. ^ Appears also regularly on "Nite Versions" as track 7 with this name 2. ^ personal e-mail to contributor from Winamp technical support dated November 10, 2008

Neither is a reliable source, and #2 seems to be original research. It will be difficult (if not impossible) to cite a reference for each and every album containing a pregap track, but the mention of incompatibility in Windows XP based on a personal email needs to be tossed. I'll come back and do that later, once I determine the contributor who added that statement and leave a notice on his/her talk page. For now I've tagged appropriately. 20:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the source for if a CD has a pregap track is the CD itself. Primary sources are perfectly fine to use that way, and don't necessarily have to be noted in the references (but adding a 3rd party source is, of course, better). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 20:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

List Incorrect Perchance?
I have looked for it but have not found any trace of the "real" version of the intro for "Burn for You" on tobyMac's "Welcome to Diverse City." I know that this is a specific issue, but my guess is that some of the other items on the list are incorrect. Is there any way to verify items on this list without pulling them off the shelf and checking? --the authentic david christians (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of the time no. Reviews sometimes mention them, so if you can find that it'd be a positive confirmation, but of course lack of them wouldn't be any indication (only real way I could see would be if it mentioned "despite popular belief it's not there" or whatever). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 21:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Endless, Nameless
Endless, Nameless isn't in Nevermind's pregap, it's after 10 minutes of silence following Something In The Way. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 21:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 21:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * All right, I will. I just don't someone to add it back. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 00:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Other pregap
I know pregaps are before index point 1, but you get other ones between the actual index tracks.