Talk:Premier Grand Lodge of England

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Sources for the name
Can someone provide some reliable third party sources for the use of the name "Premier Grand Lodge of England"? The listed references don't seem to use this name. If it isn't the common name, even if it is occasionally used, it should be a redirect to the common name.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 22:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've inserted an explanation, thanks for pointing that out. "Premier" distinguishes our oldest grand lodge from three other bodies, those mentioned and, for 12 years in the second half of the century, the Grand Lodge of All England South of the River Trent. Knoop, probably the still the most objective and reliable account of the period, uses an uncapitalised premier when he refers to the lodge. It's a convention that saves a lot of confusion, and is really in general use among masonic historians, and by UGLE. HTH. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 22:53, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Institutional Names vs. Reference Names for this Institution
Currently, the beginning of this entry contains a misstatement:

''The Premier Grand Lodge of England was founded on 24 June 1717 as the Grand Lodge of London and Westminster, later calling itself the Grand Lodge of England. Convention calls it the Premier Grand Lodge of England.... ''

The Grand Lodge never seems to have actually called itself "the Grand Lodge of London and Westminster." It referred to itself as a "Grand Lodge," and documents contained within Anderson's Constitutions make it clear that, up to 1722, it saw its scope (at least in some sense) as compassed within London and Westminster. Thus, "the Grand Lodge of London and Westminster" is a descriptive title, but not the original name of the 1717 Grand Lodge. It is akin to referring to the GL as "Premier" or (later) as the "Moderns," and can be acceptable in a certain context, as long as it is not confused with the actual, institutional name. Like "Premier," it is merely a convention. I am raising this matter because the mistake featured here on Wikipedia has begun to appear in publications (obviously using Wikipedia as an uncited source). Since "the Grand Lodge of London and Westminster" was never the name of this organization, I believe that a revision here would benefit many and help prevent further confusion on the matter.

(Note also that the provided reference for this paragraph, Knoop & Jones' Genesis of Freemasonry, does not contain anything to support this name either. Neither this name, nor the idea of a "name change" from it to the "Grand Lodge of England," are evidenced in the historical record.)

Craftsworth (talk) 01:19, 1 October 2017 (UTC)Craftsworth


 * I refer to the top of this page, where this article is referred to as "C" class, or a little bit crap. Thank you for pointing out this inconsistency. Finding better references and improving this article is on a personal to-do list that keeps getting interrupted by real life. Please feel free to help. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 22:37, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Listung der Großmeister unvollständig oder Angabe siehe unten unzutreffend
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_Frederick_d%E2%80%99Este

Augustus Frederick d’Este

Augustus Frederick d’Este (* 13. Januar 1794 in Essex; † 28. Dezember 1848 in Kensington Gore) war ein Enkel des britischen Königs Georg III. Die Ehe seiner Eltern, Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, und Lady Augusta Murray (1762–1830), war auf Grund des Royal Marriages Act von 1772 nicht formgerecht, um seine Thronfähigkeit zu begründen.[1][2] Er war ab 1815 Großmeister der Premier Grand Lodge of England.[3]

Dies taucht in der Seite nicht mehr auf Ende 1813 mit seinem Vater bitte richtig zusammenführen oder löschen! Danke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.212.241.153 (talk) 15:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)