Talk:Preserved counties of Wales

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The glosses of what historic counties these cover seem only broad approximations. For example, Corwyn in Merioneth, was part of Clwyd not Gwynedd. Rather than propogate misinformation shouldn't this be removed? Morwen 14:52, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)


 * I suppose one could remove it, but with the absence of a definitive map showing which towns were where it's a useful approximation. That, of course, is the problem with administrative areas - they're always changing and difficult to pin down. Owain Vaughan 16:20, 7 Nov 2003


 * Then you should have noted it as an approximation, which I shall do for you. Morwen 16:26, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

For the sake of consistent and less confusing terminology, could I suggest that this article be moved to lieutenency areas of Wales? For that is what they are, and calling them a "county" simply adds to confusion! 80.255 08:53, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)


 * Go tell the government that, then. When they change the legislation to stop referring to them as counties, this page will move, not a day sooner. Morwen 09:57, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Is there any source of information regarding the geographic counties of Wales today? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.45.65.250 (talk) 17:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends what you mean by geographical county. Neither the preserved counties or historic counties have any local government function. Both are purely geographical. Between 1889 and 1974, the historic counties were referred to as "geographical counties" where they covered multiple administrative counties and county boroughs. Since 1974 things have become more complicated. Owain (talk) 18:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Preserved counties
I would be interested to know what you think should be present in an article about one of the preserved counties of Wales? At the moment many of these are formulaic, as for example West Glamorgan, with information on the statutes behind the creation and abolition of the county. What additional content would be required for any of these articles to become a GA? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:48, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Good question. Pretty much like what you did in the Carmathenshire article. A decent history, geography, economy and landmark brief aside from the information on the statutes. Treat it as if the county still exists, though perhaps a little less detail. On a positive note the better you make it you could reuse some of the content towards the modern counties within it, so would involve less work once done.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:08, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Clwyd looks in good shape now, just write the legacy section in prose and add a section or two on landmarks and transport and some nice photos and it should on the right track.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:11, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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Provisions which refer to preserved counties
The article currently states that only three pieces of legislation had provisions which relate to preserved counties on 16 February 2011, with a reference to an archive.org link. The list seems surprising to me, as it omits the Lieutenancies Act 1997. If I follow the link, I get a page which only contains the text "This site doesn't exist, please check that you have typped correct address!" (sic).

archive.org has a 2012 copy of that page here, but this has a much longer list, and the list is dated 15/11/02. Some of the legislation on that list have no remaining provisions which refer to preserved counties, including the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986. Other acts on the list, such as the Representation of the People Act 1983, do.

I don't think there would be much value in adding the 2002 list to the article, as it's out of date, but I don't know if the list quoted in the article is any better, and I don't know of a more recent source for this topic.

I've added a tag to the article, but I don't know if there's anything else I should do. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 14:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I've deleted the claim now. There is certainly other legislation which refers to preserved counties now - the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 lets highway authorities put up signs to show where a road crosses the edge of a preserved county. I don't think any do, but it's permitted by the legislation. Aoeuidhtns (talk) Aoeuidhtns (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2023 (UTC)