Talk:Presidency of the Council of the European Union

Slovenia symbol
The new symbol for the slovenian presidency has just been chosen. I would upload it but have no idea as to the (c). See. U5K0 12:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Is "rotam" a word? --Wik 00:19, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)


 * It's not in any dictionary I can find. Mic changed it to "rotam" from what looks like the correct "rota" - not sure why. I'll change it back. --Camembert


 * Actually, "rota" might not be ideal, because according to the dictionaries it's "chiefly British". I can't think of a more international alternative off the top of my head, though, so I'll let someone else deal with that. --Camembert


 * I made some changes to the article which quite inaccurately had been termed "Presidency of the European Commission". The links leading to the page were however accurately termed "Presidency of the European Union" and that's where I believe that it would serve its purpose and it was moved accordingly. It however seems that it has it has mutated again and become "President of the European Council". The Precidency of the European Union by one of its member countries and the President of the European Council by the said country's head of state or head of government are two spearate, though closely related functions. One shouldn't be confused for the other and the contents of the article should be styled accordingly. The half year presidency is an institutional function within the union, while one of the primary functions of the president is to head the European Council summit, which gathers the competences required to make changes to the instutitional structures of the union. I think the added content is good but the two instances should be kept separate, unless a there is a convincing case why and how the two aspects should be integrated under a single entry.
 * Regarding "rotam" which probably isn't a good term or even a word for that matter - was picked up from within the article without checking it first. -- Mic 22:33, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)

There is no such thing as the Presidency of the European Union not least because there is no entity called the European Union. The intra-national entity is called the European Community. The European Union is simply a treaty-based relationship between states that was built among states in the Community but not an entity in itself, hence for example, we still have European Community law, not European Union law, though the latter term is occasionally and inaccurately used by some commentators who don't understand the legal and constitutional distinction between the Union and the Community, and think that the European Union is simply a new name for the European Community when as the Treaty of Nice made clear it is nothing of the sort. The forthcoming Treaty of Dublin, also known as the European constitution, may create a presidency of the Union, but as of now, no such entity exists.

Two presidencies exist within the European Community; the Presidency/President of the Commission and the Presidency/President of the Council. Some politicians when holding the latter like to call themselves such nonsense as 'President of Europe' and 'President of the Union' but no such office exists. FearÉIREANN 22:51, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Regardless of the status of the European Community as an entity versus the frequent use of the name European Union, the Council of the European Union, fomerly the Council of Ministers is one of the institutions of the European Community. The chairmanship of the Council of the European Union rotates between the member states accoring to a predetermined order. This is the form of presidency is an existing function and I'm not sure if you're attepting to counter argue this practice or if you're just unhappy with the terminology. The European Council however not an organ of neither the European Communities nor of a European Union. -- Mic 23:11, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)

There is no terminology problem. There is no such thing as President of the European Union. There never has been. There is the President of the European Council and President of the European Commission, nothing else. And yes the European Council is an organ of the EC. FearÉIREANN 18:41, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Well, that statement is not a response to anything. The Presidency of the European Union, the EU Presidency, the Presidency of the Council of the European Union, or name it what you will, is an essential function of a primal European Community institution, without which there would be no Community legislation. As you yourself pointed out the European Union has no legal standing as an entity and stating that the European Council is an official organ of the European Communities is simply ridiculous. It has no such status and the claim has no foundation. -- Mic 17:59, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

You are seriously mixing up terms and institutions.

1. There is no such thing as the presidency of the European Union, no such thing as an EU presidency, no such thing as a presidency of the Council of the European Union. You seem not to grasp that one cannot name it as you will (as you put it). As with all legal institutions, there is one name and one name only, President/presidency of the Council.

You also seem to think that the European Council and the Council of the Union are the same. Not so. The European Council is the body made up of prime ministers/presidents from the states, accompanied by foreign ministers. The Council of the Union is an over-reaching body made up of the presidency, the European Council and the Councils of Ministers. As to the claim that ''stating that the European Council is an official organ of the European Communities is simply ridiculous. It has no such status and the claim has no foundation'' that is so absurd as to beggar belief. It is explicitly named and given status in all the European Treaties. Look at the texts:

Article 7

1.  The tasks entrusted to the Community shall be carried out by the following institutions:

- a EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT,

- a COUNCIL,

- a COMMISSION,

- a COURT OF JUSTICE,

- a COURT OF AUDITORS.

Each institution shall act within the limits of the powers conferred upon it by this Treaty.

2.  The Council and the Commission shall be assisted by an Economic and Social Committee and a Committee of the Regions acting in an advisory capacity.

. ..

Article 202

To ensure that the objectives set out in this Treaty are attained the Council shall, in accordance with the provisions of this Treaty:

- ensure coordination of the general economic policies of the Member States,

- have power to take decisions,

- confer on the Commission, in the acts which the Council adopts, powers for the implementation of the rules which the Council lays down. The Council may impose certain requirements in respect of the exercise of these powers. The Council may also reserve the right, in specific cases, to exercise directly implementing powers itself. The procedures referred to above must be consonant with principles and rules to be laid down in advance by the Council, acting unanimously on a proposal from the Commission and after obtaining the opinion of the European Parliament.

Article 203

The Council shall consist of a representative of each Member State at ministerial level, authorised to commit the government of that Member State.

The office of President shall be held in turn by each Member State in the Council for a term of six months in the order decided by the Council acting unanimously.

''Source: CONSOLIDATED VERSION OF THE TREATY ESTABLISHING THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITY Official Journal C 325, 24 December 2002

Article 13

1.  The European Council shall define the principles of and general guidelines for the common foreign and security policy, including for matters with defence implications.

2.  The European Council shall decide on common strategies to be implemented by the Union in areas where the Member States have important interests in common.

Common strategies shall set out their objectives, duration and the means to be made available by the Union and the Member States.

3.  The Council shall take the decisions necessary for defining and implementing the common foreign and security policy on the basis of the general guidelines defined by the European Council.

The Council shall recommend common strategies to the European Council and shall implement them, in particular by adopting joint actions and common positions.

The Council shall ensure the unity, consistency and effectiveness of action by the Union. Source: CONSOLIDATED TEXT OF THE TREATY ON EUROPEAN UNION (Official Journal C 325 of 24 December 2002)

The facts are clear. There is no executive presidency. The presidency, European Council and European Parliament act effectively as legislative branches of governance, The Council has full constitutional status alongside the presidency and parliament. The presidency is the Presidency of the Council, nothing else. The European Community (or more strictly speaking European Communities) are are intra-national body with a legal idenitity separate from the states. The European Union is not a renamed European Community but a legal community of states with no separate legal identity and persona, unlike the EC. Hence the EC continues to exist (producing EC law, never EU law) alongside the EU. Please understand the complex distinctions. FearÉIREANN 19:02, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

It's a pity that you're not able to substantiate your claims. The European Council is mentioned in the Maastricht Treaty as quoted above, but this does not in any way make it an institution of the European Communities. The Maastricht Treaty establishes the European Union, a treaty-based relationship between states. Regardless of how much you want to quote the treaty text, the European Union is not an entity with a legal standing of its own, nor will it become that by publishing the other articles where the European Council is made reference to. Also, unless you have failed to notice, the issue that we're discussing is precisely the separation of the Council of the European Union and the European Council. The former is an institution of the European Communities the latter is not. -- Mic 20:00, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

So the Treaties of the European Communities are all wrong then, the websites associated with the EU and EC, the websites of member states, the laws about the EC enacted in member states are all wrong, in fact everyone is wrong??? You started off with absurd claims about some non-existent Presidency of the European Union, and an odd redirect that made no sense whatsoever between Presidency of the European Union and Presidency of the Commission. I dug up some notes on a lecture on European Integration delivered by a former President of the Commission where he talked of the "centrality of the European Council as a vehicle for executive co-ordination" he talking about how its role as a "premier Community institution" made it potentially an "engine of the European evolution . . . its creation marking the co-ordination of states within the Community and giving the Community practical as opposed to theoretical entity status". (The President of the Commission was Roy Jenkins, BTW) FearÉIREANN 01:41, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Well, as per your statement that the European Council is an official institution of the European Communities, I'm still waiting for you to refer to an official document supporting that. The quoting of the Maastricht treaty text, while not constituting a basis for the European Communities, did at least show some promise in that you seemingly were making an effort. Resorting to your personal lecture notes, which hardly is an authoritative source in the matter, seems, in lack of better word, futile.

If you are in fact still purporting your claim that the European Council is an official institution of the European Communities, then I'm absolutely puzzled over your relentless inability to substantiate it by appropriate and valid documentation in any way. If your claim is indeed justifiable why are you unable to demonstrate this in any manner remotely satisfactory? Surely with your mastery of these complex distinctions that shouldn't constitute any kind of a problem. -- Mic 15:37, Sep 17, 2003 (UTC)

No additional comments has posted since the middle of September. The page will be moved to Presidency of the Council of the European Union. -- Mic 15:36, Nov 9, 2003 (UTC)

Presidency of various Councils
Sjorford wrote: The post as President of the Council of the European Union is for each separate meeting held by the responsible government minister of the member state holding the Presidency, usually the foreign minister. I've removed the clause "usually the foreign minister" since this isn't true - even for the UK. Each Council meeting is chaired by the presiding member state's minister from the appropriate policy area, So, for instance, if Ireland holds the presidency, then the Environment Council is chaired by the Irish environment minister, the Home Affairs Council by the Irish home affairs minister, and so on. And, of course, the European Council (meeting of heads of government) is chaired by the Irish prime minister. Hope this clarifies things. Toby W 07:40, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Table alignment
In the table the line "Second half-year" is spread over two lines. To make the table look neater and because I myself am not able to manipulate the table could someone please edit the table so that "Second-half year" fits into one line. The "Ministers responsible" column still has the space. Thanks.
 * This is becouse your browser-window is too narrow - expand it horisontaly and the "second half year" will become a single-line. 62.204.151.1 3 July 2005 08:43 (UTC)

There has been vandalisism as regards the President of the European Council 2004. Its was Bertie Ahern not Brain Cowen. Brian Cowen is seen to be a possible successor.

Triplet presidencies
This was a scenario established in the constituniontal treaty and hence, since it hasn´t entered into force doesn´t apply. The old system of semestral presidencies continues.

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Candidates for 2009
Is this section anything other than reportage of speculation. No formal announcements of candidacy yet, nor even ratification that the job will exist in that format. Kevin McE (talk) 08:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ...there is no such section here?- J Logan t: 10:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * For some strange reason, the same talk page is accessed from both Presidency of the Council of the European Union and President of the European Council. The speculative section to which I refer is on the latter article.  Kevin McE (talk) 20:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's why. I've fixed it and copied the original reply over. Talk:President of the European Council. - J Logan t: 10:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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Locator map of France??
My basic question is WHY the locator map of France in the infobox. It does not add anything (the geographical location of France is of no relevancy to its presidency) in fact I think it distracts from the message of the presidency that it is rotatiing among members. I removed it. Arnoutf (talk) 08:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Logos
Maybe we should make a page for the logos? Space is running out in the box we have at the moment. So yeah, thoughts? Zu Anto 17:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

propose move
to "Presidency of European Union" since for example "President of the United States" is not located at "President of the United States in Congress Assembled." Nergaal (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * These are two very different things. The president of the US is one man (or possibly a woman). The subject of this article is not. The Presidency of the Council of the European Union is held by a country for 6 months. It depends on the subject that is discussed by the Council of the European Union, which person represents the presidency. E.g., if it is about financials, the presidency would usually be represented by the Minister of Finance of the country that holds the presidency.
 * Perhaps you confuse this article here with the article on the President of the European Council. Tomea s y T C 09:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Treaty of Lisbon
What will actually happen after the Treaty of Lisbon comes into force? Article 16(9) TEU is clear as far as it goes, but will the presidency of each configuration still be held by the same member state at all times in a synchronized fashion? It is allowed by the Article, though not necessarily the case. If the Member States want to retain the 6-month rotation or the trio presidencies, they are allowed so to do under Article 16(9); but I guess they will not, to avoid stealing the limelight from the (new) President of the European Council...? – Kaihsu (talk) 00:00, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The premature deletion of the tables by anonymous user 85.232.220.96 needs to be restored. My bandwidth is not wide enough to do so here.... – Kaihsu (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, I reinstalled the table section.
 * I did not really understand what you meant with your first posting. Tomea s y T C 14:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Never mind the first posting. I was just wondering whether the trio presidency would stay or not. – Kaihsu (talk) 14:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does. Tomea s y T C 14:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Indeed it does; thanks for all your recovery editing accordingly. I just recalled a recent conversation with a Walloon parliamentarian friend of mine, who is preparing for the upcoming Belgian presidency, unaffected by the entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon. – Kaihsu (talk) 15:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Why Ministers for Foreign Affairs
This table seems to list as Council President (Minister responsible) the one responsible for foreign affairs. Is there any reason as to why we mention this one and not another minister?

For Belgium 2010, we list Yves Leterme, who has recently become Prime Minister. Assume the rational mentioned above holds, we should make a change here, I guess. Tomea s y T C 14:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It is not always just the foreign minister; in the case of the UK, the Europe minister is also listed. I am not sure about other Member States. – Kaihsu (talk) 15:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, right. But still, by which authority do we call one of the government members the responsible one? Does the person mentioned have any special responsibilities to the Presidency in general? Tomea s y T C 15:05, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

If there is no reason for having this column, perhaps we should think whether we want to remove it. Tomea s y T C 12:29, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I will remove the column in a few days, unless somebody gives evidence for its inclusion. Tomea s y T C 20:10, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Well what is the origin of its inclusion? Presumably somewhere one or a number of presidencys or other websites have stated that there is a minister responsible. Lets take a closer look at those sources to see why they are stated. PResumably there is a coordinating role, setting the agenda, deciding what the presidency will propose as law, policy or in resolution to disagreements. Furthermore if foreign minister they would chair the former GAERC which was the formal embodiment of that role. Incidentally, is the new General Affairs Council still always presided by Foreign Ministers, or do some or all send different representatives/is the system now flexible? Perhaps the head of that is a more consistent figure?- J.Logan`t : 22:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Which sources do you mean? The websites of the presidencies?
 * I do not share your presumption that the Foreign Minister (sometimes the Minister for European Affairs, as now for Sweden) sets the agenda for Council meetings other than in their area.
 * Since Lisbon, we have a General-Secretary who does many of the things you referred to. Moreover, the Foreign Minister does not even chair the Foreign Affairs configuration of the Council anymore, as this authority went to the High Representative.
 * I don't know which minister presides over the General Affairs Council, probably there is not even a rule. However, is this really relevant? We are discussing whether or not to emphasize on one figure wrt the Coucil and not wrt to a certain configuration. My observation is that the article presents one minister of each presiding government as being special to the Council for an unspoken reason. If this reason is unspoken because it is without basis, then we should remove. Tom<font color="#6bd5f5">ea s y T C 21:02, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know what sources, whatever started this, probably the presidencies. We've had disputes about which name to put up here and there, sometimes it wasn't the Fm but someone else, what is the source for that? And the Secretary-General organises but does not set the agenda as that is a political choice. So when it comes to the presidency putting forward its priorities etc. who is coordinating all that? The national leader alone? Quite possibly for small countries but considering the heavy work load it is logical for it to have been the FM or Europe minister. The presidency has to be coordinated by someone. Ask the people who pit the names in to begin with.- <font size="1" style="font-family:Zapfino, sans-serif">J.Logan`t : 23:57, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I am here, asking this question for 3 weeks. If nothing comes on the table soon, I will remove the information which, to me, is original research. I do not believe that the FM sets the agenda of the Council meeting in the configuration of Ministers for the Agriculture portfolio. I'd like to be proven wrong, but if I am not, the column will go. If you think there are people out there backing your point of view, feel free to ask them for support. I will not consider it canvassing. As I said, I would not mind to be proven wrong. T<font color="#009ef2">om<font color="#6bd5f5">ea s y T C 08:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As there are apparently no facts backing up the exposed position of one minster within each Presidency, I will now remove their names, because of WP:OR. T<font color="#009ef2">om<font color="#6bd5f5">ea s y T C 00:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see what you mean. But I suppose the presidents-in-office of the European Council from 1975 to 2009 were official enough. I'll add them. Feel free to revert. - SSJ ☎ 00:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I reverted. This article is about the Presidency of the Council of the European Union, but you inserted the Presidents of the European Council. Usually, these were the heads of government (or state) of the country holding the Presidency. In your previous edit, a week ago or so, you reverted me re-introducing the foreign ministers (or ministers for European affairs). I feel there is a quite arbitrary wish to add some personal figure to this list whereas this body does not have so.
 * I stand here to be convinced that the opposite is true. In order to do so, please provide evidence - the we will change. T<font color="#009ef2">om<font color="#6bd5f5">ea s y T C 08:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)re you now
 * The European Council was an official part of the Council of the European Union, and the head of state or government of each country holding the presidency was (as far as I know always) the President-in-Office of the European Council. Therefore, by including a column in this table for Presidents-in-Office, we mention who lead the presidency government at any given time from the 1974 to 2009, which is essential information for the Presidency of the Council of the European Union per se, IMO. What I'll do is to discuss this, not to "provide you with evidence". I don't have an arbitrary wish. - SSJ ☎ 13:41, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think, we should not add information if there is no evidence. This is my take from when I started this thread. My position is that attributing the Presidency to one person more than to others within the government is OR.
 * I am supporting you to add your information to the article President of the European Council, if not present there already. You write yourself that this is the position that actually applies to these people.
 * Are you now arguing against the information you tried to introduce before, namely the minister for foreign affairs (or similar)? This is what estranged me a bit. I had the impression (sorry for that) that you introduce any list of people for the sake of having names. However, if you just changed your opinion (i.e., you would also delete the foreign ministers now) that's of course perfectly OK.
 * Last issue I have, why do you use the term President-in-Office? To me it sounds obfuscating not to use the properly defined term that you are linking to. You probably have a reason for it. As far as I know the term President of the European Council was used and correct even before Lisbon. I have another issue with the term President-in-Office also because, when being used in an article about a body of multiple people, it will be understood that this person is the president of the body discussed in the article, whereas this is not the case. T<font color="#009ef2">om<font color="#6bd5f5">ea s y T C 14:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

New Presidency of the Council of the European Union Rule's for 2021
Before: Presidency of the Council of the European Union by voting (end 2020) After: Presidency of the Council of the European Union by sequence/order alphabet english (start 2021)

114.79.52.62 (talk) 05:40, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * What is the source of this information? And it is not in protocol order? What about Croatia? – Kaihsu (talk) 12:50, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * What about Croatia´s Presidency in 2020? I could not find any proof for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.8.30.121 (talk) 00:35, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Spain's presidency's website
I really wonder if http://www.eutrio.es/ is the real website for Spain's EC Presidency, as it is (at least now) a web page about tourism in Spain. http://www.eutrio.be/ is certainly the website about their EC Presidency, but I'm asking anyone who can to look for the real website for Spain's EC Presidency.

Note: EC = European Council, I think there's a more widely-used meaning for that letters but this is the one I've used now Nihon-no-fan (talk) 17:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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It seems like the official webpage for the Romanian Presidency of the Council of the European Union has been published in three languages: English, French and Romanian. According to the official guidelines of the European Commission, the working/procedural languages for the Commission however have to be English, French and German. Is there any explanation why German is omitted as language by the Presidency? Not to be overly accurate here but especially the European Council otherwise appears to be very keen on sticking to rules and statues. (Note: the previous Presidencies by Estonia, Bulgaria and Austria all correctly used English, French and German next to the host countries' languages.) --2A02:C7D:51E3:A900:D9FC:E7FC:D07:E24D (talk) 09:23, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This is the presidency of the Council of the European Union, not the Commission nor the European Council. Kaihsu (talk) 05:10, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Table
Can the table be broken down into several by decade, like this?: List of European Council meetings. Also, we should avoid misleading links where a short domain name is shown in the text but then the link leads to another site e.g. si2021.eu. Kaihsu (talk) 05:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Order of rotation
Hello, the order of rotation appears to have started alphabetically (in the local language) until 1992, but how was it determined from 1993 onwards? -- Minoa (talk) 20:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

after 2030
and, do either of you have a reliable source for the presidencies scheduled for after 2030? i was admittedly unable to find one. dying (talk) 06:59, 30 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The order is fixed in the "Council Decision laying down measures for the implementation of the European Council Decision on the exercise of the Presidency of the Council, and on the chairmanship of preparatory bodies of the Council", which was most recently amended on 13 December 2021 (consolidated version: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:02009D0908-20211213). It only mentions dates until December 2030. I propose deleting all presidencies after that date since they are mere speculation. 170.255.241.25 (talk) 13:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dying No as of yet The Sri Lanka (talk) 09:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Trios badly defined in the article
Trios for the EU Presidency do not concern the incumbent plus the next the countries, but the current + the former + the successor. Official source: The Presidency of the Council of the EU - Consilium (europa.eu) 195.16.164.119 (talk) 10:17, 11 December 2023 (UTC)