Talk:President of India/Archive 1

Current President of India
The entire section on the Current President should be deleted after ensuring that all the information is included in the article on Abdul Kalam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkCrusader (talk • contribs)

This has already been done. Am removing the clean up marker.

Arjun 07:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

now from 25july2017 the president of india is replaced by Ram Nath Kovind, so plz update the page  Anmol agrawal (talk) 09:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Title
"Shri" is simply Mr and should not be used as a prefix, just as we would not tack on "san" after the name of the Japanese prime minister. Ash (talk) 11:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

No criticism is offered?
Unfortunately, no criticism is offered about the president, his need, his actions through the years, etc. Perhaps someone could add a section on the various criticism involving the Indian Presidents to make the article more rounded. Priyatu 12:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Article 53
I have removed the incorrect explanation of Article 53.Bharatveer 12:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Image misplaced?
Is it just my browser or is one of the image "the standard of the President of India" placed to hide some of the text? -Cribananda 07:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Was in mine too, but I inserted a  tag to clear it.-- May the Force be with you!  Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|)  13:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. -Cribananda 16:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Constitution of India, Part IV-A, Fundamental Duties

 * http://lawmin.nic.in/legislative/Art1-242%20(1-88).doc


 * Constitution of India, Part IV-A, Fundamental Duties.


 * Article 51A : It shall be the duty of every citizens of India -
 * (h) to develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform.


 * Comment : Present President APJ Abdul Kalam (I say muslim President) offers chaddar to Ajmer sharif Officially and in the article the President of India and profiles of APJ Abdul Kalam it is given that he is Scientist, Missile Technologist. The Wikipedia Encyclopedia gives some contradictory information.
 * vkvora 17:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

it is a human emperoro also to tag it i love u santhosh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.164.218.57 (talk) 08:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Pardons
Pardons are generally considered executive acts, not judicial acts. It is an extraordinary sovereign power to override a judicial decision as an act of mercy. Manojb 10:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Corruption and Assent to Profit Bill

 * VKrora, SEE NOT A SOAPBOAX .Bharatveer 04:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Any delay in Democracy invite corruption and in India this start with the President of India.vkvora 04:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Important Presidential Interventions

 * Will anybody add some information for APJ Abdul Kalam and signing the document of Bihar Assembly dissolution and Profit Bill. vkvora 12:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Red Tape, Bureaucracy, Corruption, Political corruption, Bribery, Extortion, Graft, Money Laundering all are part and parcel of Religon.  vkvora 05:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Article 74 and 111 of Constitution of India and 15 days for signing the Profit Bill

 * http://lawmin.nic.in/legislative/Art1-242%20(1-88).doc

(Meaning of as soon as possible for APJ Abdul Kalam is 15 days)

74. Council of Ministers to aid and advise President.


 * (1) There shall be a Council of Ministers with the Prime Minister at the head to aid and advise the President who shall, in the exercise of his functions, act in accordance with such advice.


 * Provided that the President may require the Council of Ministers to reconsider such advice, either generally or otherwise, and the President shall act in accordance with the advice tendered after such reconsideration.


 * (2) The question whether any, and if so what, advice was tendered by Ministers to the President shall not be inquired into in any court.

111. Assent to Bills.


 * When a Bill has been passed by the Houses of Parliament, it shall be presented to the President, and the President shall declare either that he assents to the Bill, or that he withholds assent therefrom:


 * Provided that the President may, as soon as possible after the presentation to him of a Bill for assent, return the Bill if it is not a Money Bill to the Houses with a message requesting that they will reconsider the Bill or any specified provisions thereof and, in particular, will consider the desirability of introducing any such amendments as he may recommend in his message, and when a Bill is so returned, the Houses shall reconsider the Bill accordingly, and if the Bill is passed again by the Houses with or without amendment and presented to the President for assent, the President shall not withhold assent therefrom.


 * vkvora 12:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

i do not know how to edit but an error is an error. It needs to be fixed.I beg to bring to your notice, the mistake in the introductory page titled 'President of India'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_India#Election_of_the_President). It is written 'The current President of the Republic of India is Sourav Ganguly and sometimes Dr. Avul Pakir Jainulabdeen (APJ) Abdul Kalam .[1]'. Kindly correct it. Where did Sourav Ganguly come from in this page and how can he be the President of India along with Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam ?. I know errors are expected in such a ocean of knowledge like Wikipedia. But this issue is quiet sensitive. Kindly correct it at the earliest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.2.75 (talk) 02:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

President of India template
I want to know the reason why the template of President of India is removed. Such a template is there on the President of the United States article, so why it should not be placed in other presidential articles.--59.184.116.245 09:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Have added it back. If anyone wants it deleted, please respond to this discussion Madan | Talk 15:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

How many presidents?
In Abdul Kalam's page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Kalam ) it says "11th President of India In office July 25, 2002 – July 25, 2007". On this page, it says "The 13th current President of India [...] was sworn in on 25 July 2007". I think we're missing a president there somewhere. Iron Condor (talk) 03:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Presidential standard
I'm confused about the image described as the presidential standard in this article. In the image description page, it says that it is the national emblem of India, nothing about a presidential standard. That is the case as far as I know, too. Can someone with the necessary knowledge clarify this for me? Thanks.  C h a m a l  talk 00:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

List of President of India
I have included the list on the main page, in accordance with the prime minister of India. It provides quick access for people to view the presidents, without going to a different page. I am going to include election page on the table too.--Harish89 (talk) 04:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a link to the previous President? It looks like this page was re-written by political hacks before the man even took his oath of office. He was elected a few days ago, and takes office tomorrow, yet is not only listed as thre current President, but also as the "incumbant" even though is is not surrently the president, and the person who IS president was the incumbant for the last election...96.238.182.106 (talk) 19:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Calculation
I have moved the calculation portion to the main article for President of India. I think its more appropriate section to have it. If people have problem with please let us know in discussion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nader85021 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
This page is victim of Vandalism. Something ought to be done about it. Jon Ascton    (talk)  18:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

pratibha devisingh patil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.211.98 (talk) 14:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Derogatory description
"& thus The President acts as the representative of the HM government as Lord Governor General & As Head of State of India giving him the title of 'His Excellency The Right Honourable Lord Governor General & President Of The Commonwealth Dominion Republic Of India.[11][12]"

This explanation is contrary to the reality. We no more have the post of "Lord Governer general" ! It is abolished the moment India become a republic ! On January 26,1952. The description "commonwealth dominion of Republic of India" republics can't be dominions. We are only a member of Commonwealth realms we are not are dominion. Hence I'm going to delete these senstencea if nobody contests my explanation ! Naveen Reddy
 * You are right, this seems like an contrary statement. I could not find anything referring to the same in the references provided. This might be deleted. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  14:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

@Amartyabag Thank you ! Naveen Reddy (talk • contribs) 02:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

@Amartyabag, @Naveen Reddy, : Well the paragraph was refering to the origin of the post of the President of India. And "Despite its changed status, India's leaders desired the country to remain a member of the Commonwealth.[9] Previously a change to republican status had been seen as incompatible with continued membership, but negotiations with the other Commonwealth members resulted in recognition of George VI as a ceremonial Head of the Commonwealth. India thus became the first republic[10] to belong to the Commonwealth and this precedent was followed in subsequent decades by other countries that either adopted a monarchy separate from that shared by the Commonwealth realms or became republics" is true. The last sentence is not true. But why remove the whole paragraph?? Eliaskurian (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Salary

 * Salary: inr 500000 (monthly)

I earn more than that, and I'm just your average coder. Is this simply an economical difference between India and Europe, or does the President of India also earn some other benefits? J I P &#124; Talk 18:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Indian President gets a lot of allowances. He is provided with free accommodation, staff etc besides the foreign trips, security. The rashtrapati bhavan budget itself is more than inr 200000000 Eliaskurian (talk) 18:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Broken Infobox
The Infobox is broken, I tried to fix that but couldn't, could someone please fix the Infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmer Jamil Khan (talk • contribs) 12:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Is president the head of Indian judiciary?
1st Paragraph: "The President is the formal head of the executive, legislature and judiciary of India" The President is the executive head as all executive actions are taken in his name. It may be argued that he is the head of legislature since he has to sign all the bills. But is he really the head of Indian Judiciary? Eliaskurian (talk) 07:49, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Conside editing the 'Election Process'
1) The larger states need not get more votes. Its the population that matters. For instance Bihar gets more votes than Madhya Pradesh. And votes of MLA depend on the states population and the number of MLAs from that state. For instance an MLA from Kerala (with lesser area and population) has more votes than an MLA from Rajastan.

2) It will be better of someone can put the vote calculation as mathematical formula. Rather than writing sentence. ie Vote of MLA = Population of the concerned state/(1000*no of MLAs from that state)    Vote of MP = Total votes of all MLAs/Number of elected MPs.

3) I think the paragraph-  "Each elector casts a different number of votes. The general principle is that the total number of votes cast by Members of Parliament equals the total number of votes cast by State Legislators. Also, legislators from larger states cast more votes than those from smaller states. Finally, the number of legislators in a state matters; if a state has few legislators, then each legislator has more votes; if a state has many legislators, then each legislator has fewer votes." should come below the vote calculation procedure and not above it.

4) The introduction paragraph on President of India says "If no candidate receives a majority of votes, then there is a system by which losing candidates are eliminated from the contest and their votes are transferred to other candidates, until one gains a majority." Isn't it better to have this sentence under the election section. It will keep the introduction concise and elegant. Eliaskurian (talk) 08:08, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

"If no candidate receives a majority of votes, then there is a system by which losing candidates are eliminated from the contest and their votes are transferred to other candidates, until one gains a majority." Is this system the same as the single transferable vote system? If yes, the sentence can be edited for conciseness and linked. FelixSeba7 (talk) 10:18, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2017
The last line of the last paragraph in the introductory text, "He is also the first Bengali to be elected as President" is unnecessary and has no significance. "Bengali" is not a clear or well-defined term, and this statement should be removed. Ashish Kushwaha 14:56, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. It does not really matter what your caste/community is when you become your president. I am waiting for other editors to comment before I change this. Adamgerber80 (talk) 21:11, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I concur - but please leave this open for comments for a little longer - Arjayay (talk) 10:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017
New President of India - Ram Nath Kovind in the office from - 25-July-2017 Ravisrivastava8 (talk) 18:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: per WP:CRYSTAL. Let's wait until he's actually in office. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 18:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2017
Please add Rashtrapati Ashiana, Dehradun in the list of presidential retreats to complete the page. 64.40.228.36 (talk) 04:10, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: We only add retreats that have an actual Wikipedia page. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 05:43, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

President vs others Suggestion
@IP -The portion that you deleted may have been there a long time but the portion was in direct violation in WP:NOTTEXTBOOK more over the portion was sparsely sourced. Also the text does not have a counterpart in any of the similar articles such as President of USA,President of Russia etc.Thanks -Forceradical (talk) 06:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * You have deleted the content and not me. I restored the content which has been their for long time. The content is sufficiently sourced by references. If you have any specific observation (including false content), please indicate here for rectification. The content is not a primary text book content to teach freshers about the president of India. However, every content has some academic angle and that is also readers seek. It need not resemble other articles like  President of USA,President of Russia etc. because the powers and duties are vastly different. President of India's duty is to defend, protect and preserve the Indian constitution from government and law makers only (rest is looked after by the prime minister, state chief ministers, judiciary, parliament, state assemblies, etc) whereas in US or Russia presidents are very powerful without prime minister or with subordinate prime minister per their constitutions. So comparison with prime minister / judiciary does not arise in those countries. In India, the basic duty identified by the Indian constitution for the president is judicial in nature unlike in USA/Russia, so the comparison between Judiciary and president does not arise prominently in those countries. I do not think, any two articles in Wikipedia resemble fully with same style, formatting and pattern (exp:  President of USA and President of Russia). Some additional unique 'sections' may be needed in each case.183.82.199.109 (talk) 13:22, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2018
Change the monthly salary of the President of India from 1.5 lakh to 5 lakh as per the new budget announcement. MeetSC (talk) 08:02, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 23:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeh jo dalit ko president bana rahein hai right wing group to kuch problem hai. Right wing party ko kabhi left wing ki tarha dalits ko president banane ki jarurat nahin hai kyunki inko conservative raheina hai. Dalits kaise dalit bane is important criminal family ki parempara ki dalit bhi hai desh drohi ki dalit bhi hai muslim convert ki dalit bhi hai etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.169.78.191 (talk) 03:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

National Emblem
The idea of state and nation are little bit different in India than USA and UK. So the country has National Emblem not State Emblem. Pranav jung (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Financial powers
The Union Budget is not laid down by the President of India. Instead it is laid down by the Finance Minister of India.15:16, 14 January 2019 (UTC)Simram9801 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2019
223.226.43.66 (talk) 11:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC) Aacharya Tirthapura Nanjundaiah Shrikantaia.. Kannada literary poet, linguist, and teacher.He is credited for suggesting the term Rashtrapathi, a Sanskrit equivalent for President of India. When there was a discussion on the equivalent term for the President of Indian republic, as a member of Indian constitution council, it was he who suggested Rashtrapathi, a word with a similar connotation to President. The term was accepted unanimously and is still the term in use.
 * Could you cite reliable sources for this? It seems that this wouldn't really be relevant enough to mention on this article – Thjarkur (talk) 11:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2020
The section advising the names of living presidents shows count of living presidents as 2 which is incorrect. Correct number is 1. I would like to rectify this. Insearchfortruth2020 (talk) 12:46, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Has been done by someone – Thjarkur (talk) 13:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2021
2405:204:808E:F1C5:4DBB:A397:1124:113B (talk) 04:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC) where have you make the list and the pye chat otherwise its good pls try to add


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.. Volteer1 (talk) 15:07, 22 March 2021 (UTC)