Talk:Pretty Fly (For a White Guy)

Video
Why is there no mention of the video? Especially the 'wigger'/geek who stars in it. I can remember the band talking about this at the time, surely worth a mention?

81.131.48.137 (talk) 21:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Page move
This page was moved from "Pretty Fly (For A White Guy)" to "Pretty Fly (for a White Guy)" as per the naming convention set out at Naming conventions – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

what's Pretty Fly for a White Guy mean?


 * The obvious ? lol He's good looking, but only for a white guy. (also making fun of the "wigger", as mentioned in the text, people) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ap2000 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Evidence Needed
"They are frequently and incorrectly attributed to "Weird Al" Yankovic on file sharing networks." We need evidence of this. I will keep it up here for now though. Skullbird11 (talk) 17:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I can definitely confirm that, but I am sadly not important. 24.95.247.110 (talk) 12:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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Greatest Hits
I'm pretty sure (for a white guy?) that it was the seventh track at the GH album, because of the bonus-Track Can't Repeat wich was number1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.33.227.113 (talk) 20:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

"Gunter glieben glauchen globen"
thats not a German phrase, non of these words is German at all. he says "montag: lieben, lachen, loben" which means "monday: love, laugh, praise"--Dha (talk) 17:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * At least Gunter is a common forename. -- Pemu (talk) 13:09, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Where is an evidence for this transcription? -- Pemu (talk) 13:09, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Punk rock?
seriously? anyone who calls this 'punk rock' needs a kick in the head. this is made-for-radio late-90s pop. 98.197.160.186 (talk) 21:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Move request

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Since our own style guidelines contradict each other, we should defer to the band's preferred capitalization. Aervanath (talk) 22:35, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Pretty Fly (For a White Guy) → Pretty Fly (for a White Guy) – Per capitalisation rules. --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The capitalisation rules say to capitalise parenthetical terms as if they were separate titles, so Pretty Fly (For a White Guy) is correct. 81.142.107.230 (talk) 10:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * At least for music, this is not the case, see Manual of Style/Music. --The Evil IP address (talk) 23:59, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh. Well, that needs fixing one way or the other - I can see no point in having two conflicting standards. 81.142.107.230 (talk) 15:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose According to the official homepage of The Offspring the current title is correct. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 00:18, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Arbitrary. An unusual case, and there is no obvious advantage either way. I wouldn't move it, but I wouldn't see any reason to move it back if it were moved. Andrewa (talk) 22:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


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Correct title
The Offspring's site is not parameter, because they have Pretty Fly (For A White Guy) as title, two prepositions with capital letter, "For" and "A". The discussion is only about the "For". The correct title for the article is Pretty Fly (for a White Guy), according to WP:TITLE and WP:CAPS. OffsBlink (talk) 18:00, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

The correct page should be Pretty Fly (For a White Guy) as the word "for" is capitalised because it's at the start of an open bracket.

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The result of the move request was: Moved &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:55, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Pretty Fly (for a White Guy) → Pretty Fly (For a White Guy) – The word "for" is capitalised in this consensus, it's at the start of an open bracket Hadji87 (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose Manual_of_Style/Music. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Why? If a word is at the beginning of an open bracket, it's classed as a new sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.239.180 (talk) 19:13, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Is it? I don't think so. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:30, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Suppport: Manual_of_Style/Music, which was mentioned by user In ictu oculi, refers to MOS:CT, and MOS:CT clearly states "For titles with subtitles or parenthetical phrases, capitalize as if they were separate titles". Darkday (talk) 11:16, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. MOS:CT also says "Prepositions containing four letters or fewer" shouldn't be capitalized unless they are the first word of a title. The MOS example "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" has the parenthetical part leading and it isn't a preposition. Local consensus can overrule MOS. Reidgreg (talk) 17:12, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've tried looking into examples. I'd felt the MOS was talking about extended titles like Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb where these song titles seemed to me as more of a bracket situation, like text that's inserted for clarity.  However, looking at Silent Running (On Dangerous Ground), Infinite Rider on the Big Dogma, and Emphasis! (On Parenthesis) I might have to reconsider.  Reidgreg (talk) 00:42, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Here are further examples: (Don't Go Back To) Rockville, Break On Through (To the Other Side), (You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party!). Darkday (talk) 01:18, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak support. I don't see anything in MOS:MUSICCAPS (Just created that shortcut) regarding words that directly follow a left paren. Left parens usually signify a new, separate phrase or sentence, as it may here. My support is solely for the fact that this situation is actually not outlined in MOS:MUSICCAPS, so I don't agree that citing this guideline as a reason to oppose this move is completely valid. Steel1943  (talk) 18:28, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - as per the video title on their official youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTR-_Klcq8 Darkson (I survived the 525!) 18:45, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Also see the title on their website: http://offspring.com/music/album/americana Darkson (I survived the 525!) 18:50, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. The passage in MOS:CT mentioned by seems to clinch the matter. The phrase in the parentheses is to be treated as a new title, which of course would start with a capital letter, even if the first word is a preposition. Also, anecdotally, it looks less odd to me in the proposed capitalisation.  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:46, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


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