Talk:Prey (2022 film)

Lawsuit
This should also cover whether the lawsuit to recover the rights to Predator by the original spec script writers of Hunter against Disney has any (potential) effect(s) on production, whether or not the suit is successful. -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 00:16, 21 April 2021 (UTC)


 * agreed Trackanew (talk) 13:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Getting article to Mainspace
I will be moving a copy of this article in its current state into my sandbox in order to update it to Mainspace standards. Please do not make any major updates to the article until I am finished. Vader13289 (talk) 06:45, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

The last 20th Century Studios Hulu film not to have a closing title.
Today, it was announced that Prey was 20th Century Studios' last Hulu original movie not have the closing title: "The making and authorized distribution of this film supported over a certain number of jobs and involved hundreds of thousands/over one million work hours.". Animation231 (talk) 02:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Eighth movie
I'm confused. Prey is apparently the eighth movie in the franchise but there have only been 4 core series movies before this one, and two in the AVP spinoff series.

That only makes seven total, if you count this one, right? Is there one I'm missing? TrollDecker (talk) 10:13, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It is either the seventh film in the series if you count AVP 1&2 or fifth if you don't. I do not understand why some people believe it is appropriate exclude the AVP films. What do the reliable sources say? The Guardian for example describes it as "back to life once again for a seventh outing" -- 109.76.197.234 (talk) 16:15, 21 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Isn't AVP a separate continuity, though? TrollDecker (talk) 08:31, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Historical Accuracy?
Anyone know if French trappers where present and killing bison in wooded / mountainous Comanche territory (Colorado?) in the early 18th century? 73.180.7.232 (talk) 02:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, French-Canadians were active in the area in 1719, if not in great numbers. The Lewis-Clark Expedition by the U.S. did not take place until 1805.  The film's setting is 'Northern Great Plains' ... however, a Reliable Source specific to this film would be needed to describe this. 50.111.25.27 (talk) 04:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Per the Comanche Wikipedia page, "In the 18th and 19th centuries, Comanche lived in most of present-day northwestern Texas and adjacent areas in eastern New Mexico, southeastern Colorado, southwestern Kansas, western Oklahoma, and northern Chihuahua. " What evidence is there that the French were operating (or hunting bison) in any of those territories in 1719 - particularly in forested areas near the mountains (Rockies?)? Pgemmell2 (talk) 03:04, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm glad I found this. I was also thinking what were French hunters/or trappers doing there. I later remembered that Canada have a lot of French speaking Canadians.82.36.220.78 (talk) 10:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Theatrical release
Theatrical release ... and why this film didn't get one: According to Adam B Vary (of Variety) this didn't get a theatrical release because of the Disney purchase of Fox. Might be worth explaining in the article if you can find a better source than Twitter. -- 109.79.174.68 (talk) 11:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Throwing axe
How do you make a whole article about the movie and somehow the scenes that focus on the weapon are not mentioned? (It's glowing green, stressed on the poster, obviously very important.)98.116.198.6 (talk) 05:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Three Predator ships
I think the reason several users are intent on mentioning the mid-credits is it introduces a cliffhanger; the 3 Predator ships are the *last* thing depicted—they get that pistol back, after all. seems to think no new information is presented. 70.163.208.142 (talk) 23:48, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Since you pinged me. I have the movie cued up now. OK, the last image is of Naru and Saari standing with three others, the Predator head on the ground. Then the three figures point up at the sky and all turn to look. Amid lightning, we see the three ships heading down towards them. You are correct that it is the last image of the credits. I had it in the wrong order. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 21:36, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

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Comanche?
Currently the article is leaning heavily into the idea that the tribe in the film is Comanche. Apparently the actors occasionally speak Comanche but other than that the film gives zero explicit identification of who the native Americans were. In fact&mdash;and correct me if I'm wrong&mdash;the idea that Comanche are in the "Northern Great Plains" is historically incorrect. I don't think the audience is intended to directly draw the conclusion that they are Comanche despite the dialogue, merely that they are a native American tribe. They could be Shoshone, for instance, which would make sense to some extent both geographically and linguistically. Somebody more versed in native American culture would have to add their input regarding the dress, lifestyle, culture, and mythology presented in the film. Are we making a mistake to so adamantly identify Naru and her tribe as Comanche? Seems to me that we are extrapolating further than makes sense based on one data point: the dialogue. Jason Quinn (talk) 06:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * From the article Trachtenberg said they discussed whether they should start the film with characters speaking the Comanche language before switching to English for the benefit of the audience, similar to the Russian language in The Hunt for Red October (1990). They considered a similar approach at first but ultimately felt it did not work. The film was shot in English and later dubbed in Comanche, with the entire cast performing an alternate all-Comanche dub of the film. Both language versions are available on Hulu and Disney+.
 * Also, speaking of historically inaccurate, there's no record of an alien predator hunting down human beings. We have to remember that this is a work of fiction. DonQuixote (talk) 11:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Your comment does not satisfy my concerns. I already wrote about the ambiguity the language used in the film allows. You just restated while offering little new information. But I do now see the Slashfilm article says "The film takes place 300 years ago on the land of the Comanche Nation" so at least there's a source directly claiming this. I question the reliability of this source. The author may have extrapolated based on the language as detailed above. The Screenrant article, however, goes a lot further and discusses how many of the items I mentioned above (clothing, culture, etc.) were designed to resemble authentic Comanche culture: "The Comanche clothing and village setting dotted with tipis seen in Prey are all very true to their real-life counterparts." I'm not sold on the reliability of a Screenrant article either (this website is essentially just a click farm) but I see no reason to doubt the information in it; so I suppose it strongly supports the case the tribe was intended to be interpreted as Comanche. Yet, I'm still not 100% convinced, primarily over the inconsistency in geography; it suggests to me it may have been the filmmaker's intention that the tribe be interpreted as non-specific Native American tribe, and they just happened to use Comanche as the template for that. The fact remains that the film itself offers no direct evidence regarding the tribe. That may be a deliberate artistic decision to keep the tribe's identification vague; so, I'd still prefer to see a direct claim from the director or the script that says they are supposed to be Comanche. I think there's a parallel situation with the original Predator movie where the location is ambiguous yet many people convince themselves they know otherwise by extrapolating off a particular bit of information or source. Jason Quinn (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder that a lot of what you're doing is original research (particularly involving specialist knowledge--inconsistency in geography, etc). And although it's not explicitly mentioned in the film, it's reported in reliable sources that the filmmakers at the very least wanted the characters to speak the Comanche language. Also, it's a work of fiction and the filmmakers don't have to be 100% accurate. So unless reliable sources start discussing any of this, it's just trivia. DonQuixote (talk) 13:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * What I am doing is not original research; I'm engaging in discussion. This is a talk page, is it not? I haven't added or deleted anything to the article so I haven't "done" anything except discuss. That's what talk pages are for so don't be accusatory towards me when I'm using talk pages in a valid way. Speaking of which, I wrote that the sources were of questionable reliability. Your reply simply ignored that and says the sources reliable without any further justification. Assumption of the truth of something under discussion is called begging the question and it's a logical fallacy. Ignoring what people write yet replying is disrespectfully dismissive. This is the second time where it seems your follow-up suggests you didn't try to digest what had been written before you wrote a reply. There's this thing called the principle of charity in argument, where you try to understand other's point of view when interpreting their words. I don't feel like you've been charitable in your replies. As it turns out, Screenrant is a "no consensus" or "marginally reliable source" at the moment on Wikipedia based on its last RfC, with entertainment articles being the only thing keeping it from being an unreliable source. So by simply saying the sources are "reliable" turns out to be a misleading overstatement. Finally, please stop mentioning that it's a work of fiction. I know that. And I know you know I know that, so I find it patronizing. That an article is about a work of fiction doesn't mean we shouldn't put critical thought put into it too. Jason Quinn (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Original research is when you make a claim that's not explicitly stated by a reliable source, it has nothing to do with it being in the article proper or on the talk page. Saying things like In fact—and correct me if I'm wrong—the idea that Comanche are in the "Northern Great Plains" is historically incorrect. I don't think the audience is intended to directly draw the conclusion that they are Comanche despite the dialogue, merely that they are a native American tribe etc. without citing a reliable source stating something like that is by definition original research--that was my point. So, no, I haven't "ignored" your comments--I've just pointed out that your primary concerns are based on original research.
 * That an article is about a work of fiction doesn't mean we shouldn't put critical thought put into it too.
 * You can do that as long as it's not original research. A reminder, any sort of analysis of the primary source is orignal research. Pointing out historical inaccuracies that you personally observe is original research (and as I have pointed out is trivia). It's acceptable for secondary sources to engage in original research, but tertiary sources like Wikipedia work by citing the secondary sources that do the original research for us.
 * Also, what I said was it's reported in reliable sources that the filmmakers at the very least wanted the characters to speak the Comanche language, which is based on interviews with the filmmakers. If you want to contest the reliability of the sources per things like Brad Curran of Screen Rant described the Comanche characters' clothing, village setting, and hunting lifestyle depicted in the film as historically accurate, along with the depiction of the French trappers as hostile towards the Comanche, go right ahead, but things like And [Meyers] said, 'You can't have Comanches without horses!' So that's where that came in, and when we wrote the Taabe scene are direct quotes. DonQuixote (talk) 15:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also from the /Film article cited in this article /Film's own Ben Pearson recently spoke with director Dan Trachtenberg and producer Jhane Myers about "Prey," and specifically about the usage of the Comanche language. Myers is Comanche and gave some incredible insight into how the film will be made accessible to audiences around the world. "That's really important to me being Comanche and working with our Comanche language department, also with working with Comanche language speakers," said Myers. "But just the fact that people will have a choice, the world will have a choice to listen to the whole film in Comanche is amazing."--that is, /Film is using a direct quote. DonQuixote (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, if I recall correctly, it isn't mentioned that the French characters are French, they just speak French. DonQuixote (talk) 13:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

You asked for input from someone with more knowledge about "native American culture." I don't think we know each other; I'm one of the most active members of the Indigenous Wikiproject. First, it's "cultures, plural (which you do seem to know :) )They are not Shoshone. Why would the community speak the Comanche language among themselves, in their homes, if they weren't Comanche? Why would all the descriptions of the characters be "Comanche" when the actors and filmmakers discuss this film? I've been following discussions among the filmmakers and cast online and no one has ever suggested they are anything other than Comanche. Yes, I am also citing some degree of OR here, but, really, you're the only person I've seen raise this question. Do we also need one of the characters to stand up and state, "I am a Native American, an Indigenous person, living in the year..." - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 20:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Additionally:

There are plenty more. The Comanche Nation itself is WP:RS. Best wishes - - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 20:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree that there is no compelling reason to not consider them Comanche. In addition, Hulu's web page for Prey has this description, "An all-new entry in the Predator franchise, set 300 years ago, tells the story of a young Comanche woman, a fierce and highly skilled warrior, who stalks, and ultimately confronts, a highly evolved alien predator with a technically advanced arsenal." Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 20:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ^^^ This. I cued up the film last night and there it is. Came here to say exactly this. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 19:06, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Yeah, it appears that there's enough floating around that Comanche is here to stay, at least for the moment. I already stated that I'm mostly convinced by the Screenrant article. I still hold out a small chance that it was not intended for the tribe to be explicitly identified as Comanche but "generic". Even the Hulu description was probably just some worker who may have just read the Screenrant article. It's not definitive. But the evidence has mounted enough that I suppose my concerns are alleviated. But if the day ever comes where the director says that he intended for it to be a generic tribe, I hope it underscores the dangers of extrapolation from questionable sources. To me, it's a much greater sin for us to erroneous put something in today based on weak sources that later has to be removed, than to leave out a fact for lack of quality sources until the day comes when a quality source exists. Jason Quinn (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you think we are relying on Screenrant I have to think that you are not actually reading the additional sources that have been provided for you. This film is a from-its-inception collaboration with the Comanche Nation, covered as such in the Native American press, and widely discussed among Native peoples. The Comanche were not just "consulted" as an afterthought, as too often happens with projects helmed by non-Natives. They were full collaborators with creative control of their respective departments and praise for Trachtenberg in his collaboration. To make an entire, mainstream film, entirely in the Comanche language, is a notable achievement and it's being widely heralded in Indian Country. If Comanche folks other than the cultural workers who worked on the film feel they are being misrepresented, people would have spoken up by now (if they have and we haven't seen it, please alert us). I think if you would actually do a deeper dive on the sources you would not be going down this very odd road. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 19:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jason Quinn I think enough sources have been been provided to show that the movie depicts the Comanche. There are very specific details when it comes to clothing, weapons, lodging and adornment that it is Comanche specific rather than a mish mash of communities or a mythical community. The language should be a dead give away. Indigenous girl (talk) 19:51, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jason Quinn Perhaps this article will help https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/how-accurate-prey-is-to-real-life-comanche-culture-history/ar-AA10oaAJ it repeatedly references that the film is set in Comanche territory. Not generic, Comanche. Indigenous girl (talk) 19:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Despite being a Screenrant source, that's perhaps the most on-topic source yet. The most important line being "Producer Jhane Myers, herself of Comanche and Blackfoot lineage, served as a historical advisor on Prey's portrayal of the Comanche nation." Jason Quinn (talk) 22:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Languages in film info boxes
Someone deleted my addition of "French" as a language to the info box. It's used extensively by key characters saying important things, so I added it back, this time with a citation.

If anyone objects to this one-word addition of accurate encyclopedic information about the film, I would sincerely be grateful if you could link me to the Wikipedia policy backing that up. If it's rather just a subjective decision by editors based on how "important" they think the language is in the film, then we should probably err on the side of inclusion, no? It seems to have several advantages and literally no disadvantages. Cheers. — Candent shlimazel (talk) 10:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I have no attachment to whether a secondary language is included in the box. Check the policy and see if there are exceptions. But Comanche is co-primary with English. It is used throughout the English version, and there is an entire version of the film, running side by side on Netflix, that is wholly in Comanche. French is a secondary language, only spoken in several scenes. If we include secondaries, it can be mentioned, but those removing French should not also remove Comanche. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 20:56, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

"Mupitsl"
Currently the article claims in two places that the predator is named "Mupitsl" after a "Comanche demon of legend". I can't find any source to verify this. It seems like a misspelling of (also spelled mupitsi or muupitsi) meaning owl, probably the "demon" is Pia Mupitsʉ (Mother Owl), but I can't find a source confirming either way. I'd like to see a source supporting the name (proving its not a misspelling), and supporting the word "demon". AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 04:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @AquitaneHungerForce Lankyant (talk) 03:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)