Talk:Prince (Prince of Persia)

Prince's Home
At some point in the Sands of Time, the Prince references the place he grew up, and it wasn't Babylon. I can't remember the exact quote though, does anyone remember the name of the place and exactly what he said? Treewaller 06:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I remember, he said his hometown was Siraf. I think a background info section should be made to add this. --201.228.197.35 (talk) 22:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Different Prince Articles
Should we consider creating two "Prince" articles, being that the Prince from the Jordan Mechner games and the Prince from the Sands of Time trilogy are obviously two distincty different characters? -- 68.103.195.77


 * It's all based off the "Prince of Persia" ideal. But sure, if you want to, we can do that. -- Makaio 04:26, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think there should be two seperate articles. -- --24.141.33.175 00:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed; The article mentions a clip in which is apparent that the prince from the sands of time trilogy and the one from the original trilogy are the same; Now I ask you, what clip is that? Bigger Boss 02:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

2 articles deffinently.

Yes, there should definitely be two articles.MadJaxter 09:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Just like to say that in T2T Farah says that he is Sharamans son. Isn't Sharaman the original Prince. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.147.21 (talk) 19:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Neither of the Princes are ever named. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.95.122 (talk) 03:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Re-writing
Currently re-writing the summaries for the whole sands of time trilogy. Revising "Sands of Time", "Warrior WIthin" and planning on getting to "Two Thrones" before the day is over. -- Makaio 23:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Trimming
I've decided on trimming up a few parts of the newly written stuff, and making sure that anything and everything in the article should be about the Prince, not "oooh the Vizier, or ooh his dad did this". It's not like we're reaching the limit on article space, but the article needs some more tweeks before I can stop screwing with it. -- Makaio 05:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Multiple or just plain possessed?
I dont get it, the prince did not has MPD in the beggining, and he got the "split personality" by being tainted by the sands. Lets say he is possessed by the dark prince.--Triple-Quadruple 23:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The Dark Prince is the Prince's dark side released by the sands. Remember in Warrior Within how much the Prince's personality changed since the first game? You can say that Warrior Within's Prince is the Dark Prince in human form being held back via a conscience. I think that made sense, heh. Anyway, the way The Two Thrones ended, it's definitely MPD. --The Scourge 00:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I think his personality was different in WW because in T2T Kaileena said that 'with the Dahaka gone the prince was slowly regaining pieces of himself'. This makes me think that the prince's personality changed either because of hatred of the Dahaka or fear of the Dahaka.

His name
In the upcoming movie his name is Dastan, and will be portrayed by Jake Gyllenhal, should that be included? If you don't believe check G4tv.com and E! Online.

I propose more to change the image in the page. A picture of Dastan doesn't do any damage, but he's not the Prince in the games, he's the Prince in the films, so it could be changed to a real picture of the game Prince. Dastan should be in below images, I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.198.37.231 (talk) 19:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Speaking of Dastan, his name is typoed in the summary at the top. Correcting this now. Hackeru (talk) 18:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Merge Proposal
I think someone should e-mail ubisoft and ask if there will be and more info on the mask of the wraith. if not, add it in with the dark prince, if so, then wait for the info to come to us

Mask of the Wraith should probably be merged into the article. Reading the section there and the information here on the Prince's page, there's a lot of duplication. It's not like the Mask is an important item outside of the second half of one of the games, anyway. Cheers, Lanky ○ Yell ○ 14:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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Two pages?
Why is there both

Prince_of_Persia and Prince_(Prince_of_Persia) ? And they both contain very similar content —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eydaimon (talk • contribs) 06:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Um...
Regarding the name "Dastan", it means "story" in Persian. Perhaps the source mistranslated it.

Wiktionary's translation.

It was checked, and it happened to be "story" in Persian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Triple-Quadruple 2.0 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Dastan: I propose to move him
In the upcoming 2010 film, the protagonist's name is Dastan. He isn't referred to as "the Prince" primarily, he is referred to as Dastan primarily. Therefore, considering these Prince characters are all different characters, and considering Dastan is no exception, I propose giving Dastan an entry on this page, rather than folding him in with the Prince character. He is obviously not going to be referred to as "the Prince", and therefore he's not a "Prince" character; he's Dastan. -- The Guy complain edits 09:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The Prince vs Prince
I propose following the style set forth by the game manuals: title the character "The Prince", but refer to him in-article as "Prince" or "the Prince". This is a valid concern, as the game manual titles him "The Prince," but other characters refer to him as "Prince" and the manual itself later does. So, therefore, I propose following that style, mainly because it looks silly to have the article named "Prince". We are not referring to an American musician from the 50s, we're referring to a character popularly called "The Prince", not "Prince". The  Guy  (edits) 23:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Quoting this:

Ben Mattes, the game's producer said: "We never felt that it was the Prince of Persia. It's a Prince of Persia. There are many Princes of Persia within this fantasy universe that we call Prince of Persia".

Then:


 * 1) He isn't a "The Prince", he is a "Prince".
 * 2) There aren't many "The Princes", there are many "Princes".
 * 3) If we use "The" in uppercase means that only exist one Prince, and there are many Princes, like the producer said.
 * 4) And also, The game is called "Prince of Persia" and not "The Prince of Persia".

There's no need for a consensus really, is only the correct use of articles, the nameless protagonist is the "Prince" and he is a "Prince". As I've said before as an example: "United Kingdom" is a country, but we say: "the United Kingdom", following your opinion... then we would need to change the name of the country as "The United Kingdom" with "The" always in uppercase because popularly we call the country thus and that is nonsense. Depending the situation, the article is different, ex: "he is the prince", "he acts like a prince".

The article needs to be as always: "Prince", also because "The Prince" can confuse many readers and they can think that the article "The" is part of the character's name like talking about "The Beatles".--Danoasis (talk) 01:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Your quote is from the producer of the latest game, and he wasn't referring to the characters themselves. He was referring to the franchise, and the multiple installments, and he was using the only constant in the franchise: the Prince character; to illustrate for him. Therefore, your quote is irrelevant in this context. I present again, the game booklets. They are arguably the most reliable source for this.


 * The Sands of Time game booklet: "Characters -- The Prince".
 * Warrior Within game booklet: "Characters -- The Prince".
 * The Two Thrones game booklet: "Characters - The Prince".
 * 2008 game booklet: "Characters -- The Prince".
 * 2008 official strategy guide: "Characters -- The Prince".
 * IGN 2008 game entry: "Characters -- The Prince."


 * Am I getting anything across? Not only are the characters popularly called "The Prince", but all of their official game bios list them as such, and we must follow suit, absolutely. This is because, again, these are the officially published records. For the record, also, you might want to stop using the term "name" in describing the character; it's been articulated that the character's name has not been revealed, and we thus refer to them by title -- "The Prince". Note also, though, that later in these booklets (as well as through character dialogue) they are called "the Prince". So I think we should follow that style, it being the official style that the game uses: refer to the article as "The Prince", and refer to the characters in-context as "the Prince". It makes sense to do it this way, as, again, they are officially called "The Prince" in the game booklets and official strategy guides, as well as in many other places. This is what we call them.  The   Guy  (edits) 01:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

But can't you understand that "The Prince" in the game booklets are only as titles?, like saying "The Princess", "The Vizier", etc?

They're only articles, not names, if the nameless protagonist was "The Prince", then... in the whole booklet he was being referred with "The" and not "the", like as I've said before "The Beatles" and not "the Beatles". The only reason why is "The" with uppercase in those quotes you put, is because it's at the beggining of the clause, but is still an article that doesn't go with the title (as you asked) together.--Danoasis (talk) 02:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Titles? Then why don't we title the article in the same style? I understand the principles of the English language, and the concept of capitalization. However, if the character was not named "The Prince", and simply named "Prince", why doesn't the character bio indicate as much? It indicates "The Prince", not "Prince". It indicates "The Vizier", not "Vizier". It indicates "The Corrupted" not "Corrupted". If they were only indicating the beginning of a clause, then why don't they simply write Prince, instead of The Prince? Because the character is titled The Prince, not Prince, as you propose.  That's why I propose stylization similar to that of the strategy guide/game booklet/in-game characters; because the characters' titles are clearly The Prince, not Prince. If they were Prince, and not The Prince, the booklet would indicate as much, as would the strategy guide.  The   Guy  (edits) 03:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright man, please undo the changes you've made, because we haven't ended this discussion, I've had some problems with my internet that's all.

And again... the game's main character is "Prince" you like it or not, as you can see here:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/4079/prince1h.jpg

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4373/prince2y.jpg

http://www.ubisoft.co.jp/pop/character/chara_prince.html

Also, this article always was below the title of "Prince (Prince of Persia)", linking to several articles and nobody has complained about this, there's no need to move the article here. Both of us, and all the users that play or have played the games know perfectly that the character is referred as "Prince" with "the" as an article when it is needed.--Danoasis (talk) 09:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Those sources are not officially published, save for one. The one that's officially published also pales in comparison to the fact that the character is titled "The Prince" in the game booklets for every game the character is in. I won't undo the changes I've made, because they have no relevance to this discussion, unless you're referring to my reverting the links in the articles back to "The Prince".  In that case, again, no. You can't present a more reliable source than the officially published game booklets/strategy guides. All of them call him "The Prince".  They don't say "Prince is an adventurer," they say "the Prince is an adventurer." In reality, there is no "right" way to do this. The officially published sources all call the character "The Prince", so we should definitely follow suit but, again, I don't necessarily believe this means we should say in-article, for example, "the main protagonist of the series, The Prince..." etc. Again, in that regard we're following the style set forth by the game booklets. Look, there's no way of doing this "right". However, the officially published sources hold tons more weight than any other sources you could present, and that has to count for something. You're arguing that the sources are indicating the start of a sentence or clause, but they're not; they refer to the character as "The Prince" in the title header, not "Prince".  In the text they say, "the Prince has turned a dark calloused shell of his former self," not "Prince has [..];" you get the point I'm driving. And I agree with you in part, again, the characters clearly refer to the character as "Prince" when talking to him, but when talking about him, again, they say for example, "save the Prince!" not "save Prince!"  This is why I'm trying to compromise with you; I agree with you in part. But again, we have to take into account the officially published sources, and this is what they say. Now you could accept my compromise or I could carry on without your blessing, but with the blessing of the published sources. They're all that matters here; neither of our personal opinions do, but I'm choosing to follow the sources to a tee, while you're tending to stray from them in favor of proper grammar. So please, be appreciative that I'm offering a compromise and considering that you have an opinion, because I could just move on with these sources and I would be completely in the right. We've got to abide by them in this respect. Please see that.  The   Guy  (edits) 06:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Image
While it's a fairly iconic depiction of the Prince, it isn't the primary one. I propose we replace with either the 2003 Prince or the 2008 Prince. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:42, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree, though this one isn't so iconic either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.114.209 (talk) 23:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Jake Gyllenhaal's portrayal
--Niemti (talk) 09:06, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * http://kotaku.com/5510505/why-is-jake-gyllenhaal-in-prince-of-persia
 * http://uk.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_300/395_celebrity-workout-jake-gyllenhaal-in-iprince-of-persiai.html
 * http://www.vulture.com/2010/05/the_true_story_of_jake_gyllenh.html
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUTTMw6y-qI

I can't really see a way for me to make a section on Jake Gyllenhaal's portrayal of the Prince. Maybe you could do it? I'm better with the character(s) in the games. --ProtoDrake (talk) 11:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Something like in Ayane (Dead or Alive) (GA) but more in-depth. --Niemti (talk) 11:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Right. I've put in something, using a couple of the references you provided. Hope it's alright. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Additional reception

 * http://www.empireonline.com/features/50-greatest-video-game-characters/default.asp?film=35
 * http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/02/16/guinness-names-top-50-video-game-characters-of-all-time.aspx
 * http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-hero/standings/index.html
 * http://www.gamespot.com/features/great-loves-6144012/?page=3
 * http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/games/the-top-50-xbox-characters-of-all-time-20090616-cdkl.html
 * http://www.computerandvideogames.com/183044/features/pc-gamings-best-and-worst-characters/?page=3#top_banner (negative)
 * http://uk.ign.com/articles/2008/10/15/players-wanted-ultimate-fighting-game-part-2?page=2

Etc. --Niemti (talk) 07:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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When the next part is coming
prince of Persia is one of the favourite film for and I am just waiting for another part so when it's coming becoz I m eagerly waiting for it. 2409:40F2:141:5EF8:2944:E306:6096:24FD (talk) 09:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)