Talk:Prince (musician)/Archive 2

removed request for citation
With respect to the request for a citation for the claim that the title of 1999 included the word "revolution" in reverse, there is no need for a citation for this as it is independently verifiable by anyone looking at the album cover. A citation would therefore be a copy of the album cover which may be in violation of copyright especially given that it would need to be a high enough resolution to view the small writing. I added some text to better identify the location of the words. One scan of the album cover showing the wording can be seen at http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9OFxc5Xfngs/S1_n8KVrXMI/AAAAAAAAAvU/GujRprVOgQg/s1600-h/1999_f.jpg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TuxLux (talk • contribs) 05:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Vocal Range
I noticed it isn't mentioned in the article and it something very relevant. Does anybody have, (sourced), knowledge of his vocal range? 76.112.25.158 (talk) 21:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

ASCII symbol
"unpronounceable symbol, (rendered in ASCII as O(+>)" is cute, but who came up with it? Was it invented here? (that would be a problem) Шизомби (talk) 23:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * no, it was first revealed in an 1996 oprah interview. MaJic (talk) 18:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Prince came up with the ASCII symbol and revealed it in an Oprah interview? Wild, but where's the ref? Шизомби (talk) 17:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Here you are: LINK (it is mentioned as prince says you can type it on a typewriter. MaJic (talk) 17:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That should probably go in the article where it is mentioned.  Although it appears it was given on TV as O(+> (without the additional close parenthesis) and whoever transcribed the interview used a curly bracket instead of a parenthesis: 0{+> . Шизомби (talk) 23:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it is true, we're not sure why either. MaJic (talk) 05:53, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Prince Songwriting Ebonics Not Mentioned
This article failed "2" mention the use of Prince's songwriting ebonics and does not even pinpoint the first time in his career in which he used this in his work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.4.135 (talk) 00:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Using numbers and symbols is not "ebonics." As always, when you find a reliable source for his mannerisms, you can feel free to add it. HelpnWP (talk) 01:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Prince versus YouTube
I saw a video about Prince when he turned 50 years-old and samples of some of his songs were playing. So he didn't completely stop YouTube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.134.132 (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He will. Youtube takes a while to pull down videos on behalf of those asking them to pull it down. Its harder for little clips, especially of performances (than of full songs). It'll go down eventually. --69.49.40.221 (talk) 06:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw a clip like that, but it was actually an entertainment news piece from some TV network. Things like that, I would think, should survive Prince's pathetic attempts to cleanse the web of all but his own images and clips. Lianachan (talk) 08:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Honorific Title should be included
The page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_honorific_titles_in_popular_music lists his honorific titles as His Purple Majesty or His Royal Badness, and these should be included in the first paragraph. I'd make the edit myself, however despite being a registered user for a long time it seems I'm still not able to modify semi-protected pages... ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawb (talk • contribs) 18:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Why should an honorific title be used? How does it make a better article. I am a fan of Prince and would never refer to him by either of those names.--SockpuppetWG (talk) 04:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

How come Stevie Wonder's article is semi-protected but not Prince?
This article should be protected, people with bad faith erased some musical genres under the Background Information section, i mean "Funk" was erased! Prince is known as a Funk musician."Soul" genre was removed! Also Jazz and Blues were removed.. it's outrageous! Genres listed in the Background Information window doesn't mean the musician has done songs or full albums in one of those genres in pure form, in this case it means Prince does a blend of the genres listed. "Classical" was also listed as one of the genres, his album Prince (1979) has 2 songs, "with you" and "when we're dancing close and slow" have some classical music influence and the song "condition of the heart" from the album Around the World in a day (1985) has a very long intro which is pure classical music, the song "Solo" from album Come(1994) is very classical-like (even the vocals are operatic), this song is just his voice and a harp (an instrument normally used in classical music). People come with bad faith and remove Prince qualities.

Also it used to be mentioned in the article that Prince is considered a musical genius, that part was removed also, by people with bad intention.

--Gonzalo Priale 05:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Prince.org is the worst run site on the Internet the owner lets the mods do whatever they want they ban people because of racial backround and difference of opinion i believe the site should be shutdown the worst offenders are mods by the name of mars23 carriemlps & Luv4u there are rumblings that Prince himself may have this site shutdown and let's hope he does —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.52.243 (talk) 02:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Music Genres, styles and influences
I added the music genres heavy metal, hard rock, rockabilly, classical music and gospel in the part where they talk about his music palette, and also added some influences Little Richard, John Coltrane and Charlie Parker. Someone erased my contributions, please put them back, the references for his musical styles are the cds, you have to listen to them. You can see these are his influences in the book Purple Reign by Liz Jones, she visits him in 1997 to interview him and in his desk he has the picture of Charlie Parker and he mentiones he admires Coltrane, and the book mentions the movie Purple Rain has lots of references to Little Richard, it obvious he's influienced by Little Richard. Ebony Magazine June 1985:"Prince is a fusion of James Brown, Sly Stone, Little Richard and Jimi Hendrix" http://books.google.com/books?id=CNkDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=prince+ebony+1985+hendrix+little+richard&source=bl&ots=Z8aooXjhzV&sig=tXEP__EadzzWi8rjCNJ8jVfisZY&hl=en&ei=OA6vSt-SDoKJtgemu-CuCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

Rockabilly: Prince plays piano rockabilly style like Little Richard, has the high hair and thin moustache. The song "Broken" (1981 unreleased. http://www.imeem.com/1nicholas/music/rJ2Kf7kD/prince-broken-demo-version/), Girl o my Dreams (1986 unreleased. http://www.imeem.com/people/V3OGsln/music/4y-uCciw/prince-girl-o-my-dreams-1mp3/), Horny Toad (The Hits/The B-Sides disc 3) show Prince has used the Rockabilly style.

Heavy Metal: I'm Yours, from his 1978 debut album For You, Bambi from his 1979 album Prince. http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7942631 "Barely into his 20's, Prince already possessed a remarkable musical vocabulary and subterranean understanding of an untold number of musical genres--ones he was rapidly combining in a way no one had heard before. On the rocker "Bambi," Prince shows off his dazzling, heavy metal-styled guitar work". He still performs these 2 songs in his concerts. He has also done Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin (that's a heavy metal song) during his One Nite Alone Tour 2002 (you can see his performance in the dvd Prince Live at The Aladdin Las Vegas which is from this tour) and the Musicoloy Tour 2004.

Darling Nikki from his 1984 album Purple Rain, The Cross-gospel with heavy metal-, from his 1987 album Sign o The Times. These songs have elements of Heavy Metal and Hard Rock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_(band) The Revolution was an American rock band formed in Minneapolis, Minnesota in 1979 by Prince. Although widely associated with rock music, the band's sound incorporated heavy metal, pop, funk, R&B and hard rock elements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Rain_(album) Stephen Erlewine of Allmusic writes that Purple Rain finds Prince "consolidating his funk and R&B roots while moving boldly into pop, rock, and heavy metal".

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1100142/a/Sign+'O'+the+Times.htm "spiritual strength as heavy metal gospel ("The Cross")"

Classical Music: Kamasautra-The NPG Orchestra, it's the 5th disc of the Crystal Ball cd-set, only the fan-club mail-order version has this 5th disc, it's an instrumental album of Classical Music and jazz. The ending of the song "when doves cry" the album version that is in the Purple Rain cd album, is a classical music style keyboard/synth solo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Doves_Cry#Song_structure "The song ends on a classical music-inspired keyboard piece backed by another synthesizer solo." , the songs "raspberry beret"-has classical style elements violins and "condition of the heart"-has a 3 minute classical style piano intro (both from Around the World in a Day album, 1985), "pink cashmere"(1993, The Hits/The B-Sides) has a classical style string section. She's Always in My Hair (the Hits/The B-Sides disc3) has a staccato keyboard (sounds like a violin) through the whole song that sounds classical music style, the ending of the unreleased outtake from the 1989 Batman album "dance with the devil" is classical music (unreleased. http://www.imeem.com/people/2ZMtpJB/music/QdJgLt2O/prince-dance-with-the-devil/).

Gospel: the song "purple rain" blends rock and gospel. "willing and able" from the 1991 album Diamonds and Pearls. --Gonzalo Priale 04:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Removed Text per WP:BLP
I have removed the following text which is un-sourced and of a personal nature according to Wiki policy WP:BLP "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." I am placing the content here for storage. If any editors can find reliable sources then any and all of the content can be put back in the article. Thanks for your help. -- — Kbob • Talk  • 16:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Prince was romantically linked with many celebrities, including Carmen Electra, Sheena Easton, Susan Moonsie, Troy Beyer, Susanna Hoffs, Kim Basinger, Stevie Nicks, and Nona Gaye.[citation needed]
 * Prince had an on and off relationship with high school girlfriend Susan Moonsie from around 1980 to 1985. There were a combination of reasons that led to the end of their relationship. Moonsie first attempted to end their relationship around 1983 when Prince was infatuated with fellow Vanity 6 bandmate, Denise Matthews, aka Vanity. Moonsie chose to stop her relationship with him and even became good friends with Vanity, although after the disintegration of that relationship, the two began seeing one another again, but never as an official couple. The relationship continued as such until Prince started a relationship with Susannah Melvoin which resulted in a heated argument that served as the inspiration for "When Doves Cry".
 * During the Dirty Mind Tour in 1980, Prince met 18 year-old back-up singer, Jill Jones, who was performing with Teena Marie as an opening act for his tour. Prince loved her voice, encouraged her to sing, and stayed in touch with Jones. She became a backup vocalist, and girlfriend, for Prince when he invited her to the Sunset Sound recording studios, in 1982, to sing backing vocals for several tracks on the 1999 album and went on tour with him for the 1999-Triple Threat Tour.
 * In 1982, he met then B-movie actress and nude model Denise Matthews at an American Music Awards backstage party. Prince re-named her Vanity, stating he saw his female reflection when he looked at her. However, the relationship was very tumultuous, as Vanity was a very strong-willed woman where as Prince liked timid women. The fact that she wasn't his only girlfriend at the time led Vanity to heavy drinking and drug abuse and ultimately left the Prince camp just before shooting was to begin on the Purple Rain film.
 * Around 1984, Prince dated and was secretly engaged to Susannah Melvoin, guitarist Wendy Melvoin's sister. Susannah was a member of the Prince-formed band The Family, sang backup during the Parade tour and sang on the Around the World in a Day, Parade and Sign o' the Times albums.
 * In 1997, Prince approached funk bassist Larry Graham, one of his childhood idols, with questions about his Jehovah's Witness faith. In a later interview, Graham stated that Prince was in need of Biblical answers and advice and that Graham was glad to answer. Prince apparently became very interested in the religion. He was baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in 2001, marking his formal conversion to the faith. It was at this time that he released the album The Rainbow Children, which relied heavily upon Jehovah's Witness religious themes.

I'm here to help
Hey folks, I salute all of you who have made many great contributions to this article. Now I want to bring this great article up to Wiki's encyclopedic standards. You all have done a great job of putting together lots of information, now we need to shape it and cite reliable sources that verify the information in the article. This has been done in many places but we need to do more. I look forward to working together and am happy to discuss issues as they come up. If you are new to Wiki you might want to read these two Wiki guidelines: WP:BLP and WP:RS -- — Kbob •  Talk  • 02:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks to the editors who have added items back into the Personal Life section with references. Well done! -- — Kbob • Talk  • 18:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Keith, thanks for the effort you've been putting into improving this article recently. I had worked on a few sections just before you began, but the sourcing did need improving. I've written a new section on Prince's Jehovah's Witness "conversion", based on reliable sources. His faith has had a major effect on his professional and personal life in the last eight years, so it's worth covering the most important aspects here. Markfury3000 (talk) 12:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Markfury. It's great when editors add refs along with their text. Well done!-- — Kbob • Talk  • 21:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Razzie Awards
I notice that recently mention of Prince's Razzie awards has been added and deleted from the Ext Links and Category sections of the article. On editor cited WP:ACTOR]] as a reason to not include this. I am happy to be involved in a discussion of this rather than edit war. Please note that all notable and verifiable points of view are to be included in any Wiki article and so criticisms of Prince could and should be given due consideration for inclusion. Also WP:ACTOR is a link to a project page I was not able to find any policy there regarding the Razzie Awards. having said that I am open to hearing what other editors have to say. Peace to all! -- — Kbob • Talk  • 20:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the issue is with the template and not the category. For more on the discussion, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Actors_and_Filmmakers. Cirt (talk) 21:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The issue is indeed with the template. Please feel free to add your comments at the link above. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:56, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for clarifying.-- — <b style="color:#060;">Kbob</b> • Talk  • 13:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Matti Shaw merge
Unless anyone can find any evidence of notability for Prince's mother, I am going to redirect the article here. She obviously has some notability, not every mother of a celebrity gets an obituary in Variety, but more is required. There was an unsourced claim that "She had fourteen successful studio albums", but I can't find evidence of that. She was also known as Mattie Shaw and Mattie Baker. Markfury3000 (talk) 13:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Mark, this is a good suggestion but I think that Matti has enough notability as a professional singer to deserve her own article even though it may be small. I think there are enough sources to develop it a bit more. Here's a few:   What do others think?--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Kbob</b> •  Talk  • 23:28, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The first source you provided is just a mirror of the Wikipedia article, the second is IMDb, which isn't considered a reliable source since its data is user submitted (and they have much lower standards of notability than Wikipedia), the third doesn't seem to have any mention of Shaw. Also, if any sources are found, they need to show notability of Shaw in her own right, and not just as the mother of Prince. Markfury3000 (talk) 12:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, IMBD is was user submitted data? Good to know. If you've done the footwork and there is nothing else, than I have no objections.--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Kbob</b> • Talk  • 21:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * IMDb submissions do have to be vetted by their data managers, but they have so many submissions that their accuracy isn't what it should be. Regarding Mattie Shaw, I asked for any sources on a Prince fan site a while ago, but they couldn't find any, and unfortunately she fails all 12 of the criteria for notability at WP:MUSIC. It would be useful if someone could prove the claim of her 14 album, 28-year recording career but since Gokus Girl, who created the article, added unlikely album titles like Craziest Shit Alive, I suspect it is a hoax, added just to show some notability. The claim that Mattie Shaw called herself "Matti" when performing is also dubious, and most likely added to justify Gokus Girl creating Matti Shaw as a run-around to the redirection of her correctly named Mattie Shaw article. I'll wait a few more days just in case anyone else finds any sources showing notability. Markfury3000 (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mark.--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Kbob</b> • Talk  • 16:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Un-sourced text from Controversy section
Any and all of the above text can be placed back in the article once reliable sources are located and the text is supported by citations. Some of the material could be incorrect, contentious and/or embarassing or insulting to the people it mentions. Therefore we need to protect Wiki taking it out of the article per WP:BLP until sources can be located. Thanks for understanding.--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Kbob</b> • Talk  • 21:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * During this period, Prince began wearing a trench coat, high-heeled shoes, boots and black bikini briefs &mdash; during live performances. During the tour Lisa Coleman replaced keyboardist Gayle Chapman, because Prince's sexually explicit lyrics and stage antics conflicted with her religious beliefs.As the opening act for The Rolling Stones at two Los Angeles Coliseum shows in 1981, Prince was pelted with garbage and booed. These shows occurred just before the release of Controversy and also when he was training his new bassist Mark Brown (later BrownMark), who was then just 18 years old and a recent high school graduate.

Susan Rogers
Hi folks, I finally got around to starting a page on Susan Rogers who was sound engineer on several critical albums. Would love to get any help in adding more info. Thanks!Bmathew (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Early Life
The first section of this article was titled "Early Life" despite coving his entire life's work. I altered it the the more appropriate title of "Career." Stevenferdin (talk) 05:49, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

The lead needs work
The lead serves to define the most definable things about Prince. Who is he ... Okay we have that, why is he unique. He is widely regarded as a prolific influential musical genius. the issue surrounding his name is minor compared to the aforementioned facts. That needs 2 b given weight over one minor aspect of his extensive career. A lead should be written 2 accomodate someone who never heard of Prince and needs 2 in a sec understand.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 11:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment. I also agree that the lead could be improved. Just to clarify the purpose of the lead according to WP:LEAD is to summarize the article and peak the reader's interest. We should keep that in mind as we discuss how we might revise it.--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Kbob</b> •  Talk  • 21:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree that his name change was "one minor aspect of his extensive career". He used the symbol alias for seven years and released many successful albums and singles under the name. The symbol is still used on official merchandise to this day, 17 years after he first used it, so it should be mentioned in the lead. On that topic, I've made a minor adjustment to the intro, placing Prince's name first. There's no set rule for this, but looking at articles for similarly-named entertainers (Madonna, Cher, Sting, etc) they seem to follow this style. Markfury3000 (talk) 14:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Personal Life
What happened to the offensive lyrics he used before? Does he mean to use them or not? There is no apology! Serene78 (talk) 19:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)Serene78

WHERE IS HE ?
WHERE IS PRINCE AND WHY IS HE NOT IN THE MUSIC WORLD DOING WHAT HE CAN DO BEST* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.127.102 (talk) 01:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * According to this recent AP article: not paying his taxes is what he is doing.  He may be laying low because of that... -- Jayron  32  05:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, if you read the article, it also states that he wrote and released a single as recently as January, 2010, inspired by attending a Minnesota Vikings game. So, going to sporting events and writing and recording music appears to be on his recent agenda... -- Jayron  32  05:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm doing a report on Prince for a school project and need HELP!!BAD!!
I would like to know answers to the following questions."How did Prince get famous?" "What is his first sog ever made on his own?" "Did Prince ever have a single parent or only one parent he lived with as a kid or two?" "Was Prince an only child?" "Did his parents ever get married to different people?" If you can answer those questions for me that would help alot!! And thank you if ytou do know the answers and Prince I would love it if you could come to the Presentation you would probly be proud of my work and hard time I worked on this!!

Friendly Hills Student in Eagan, Minnesota Mr. Patrick Hibbard's Student Amanda D. in his 5th hour class. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.180.145.156 (talk) 22:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Style and Image??
There needs to be a section to discuss his stage performances, his style and image! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colette89 (talk • contribs) 18:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

What about the Newpower Soul Tour/Festival? That page should not be deleted!!!! Serene78 (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)Serene78

Secrets or What?!
Didn't Prince say, "In Paisley Park, you are not supposed to admit that you buy bootlegs. They are my children. Also, buying them without me releasing it is what I considered stealing."? Serene78 (talk) 19:46, 23 June 2010 (UTC)Serene78

Silly Thang
Should we install that Prince flashes his bellybutton for attention in the article? Serene78 (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)Serene78

Back up statement
Is there any backup to the statement that he was dis-fellowshipped from the Jehovah's Witnesses? From my inside sources, he is still involved, and even performs special duties for the organization in foreign countries due to his wealth and ease of movement throughout the world. Rhoadrunner (talk) 19:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

3rd paragraph. And how about 500,000 songs authored by Prince? This is not credible. A citation is requested (thankfully), but I say remove the statement entirely.. Do the math. Let's assume he's been writing songs for 42 years (thus started writing songs at around eleven or so-- which I doubt-- but for the sake of a math problem.....). 42 times 365.25 day per year = 15,340.5 days in his life of writing songs. Half a blooming million songs divided by that many days = 32.6 songs per day --- every day of his life since he was about ten or eleven!!!! Assuming he sleeps 6 hours a day, eats, and lives like normal people and maybe devotes only 12 hard working hours a day to song writing, that means he wrote almost three songs per hour working 12 hour days every single day of his life since he was eleven your old (and we're not even talking about days that he gave concerts and recorded records). If he started at 20, the math gets even more crazy (like 42 songs a day!!!). Need I go on??? What if he only writes songs 8 hours a day? Or 6? Point = Half a million is not credible. 70.149.226.22 (talk) 07:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)renato

Prince's Official Website Closures
What's up between Prince and his official websites? This is OD. Prince hates the Internet after all. He keeps closing them and starting new ones over and over again. It is a repetition. I was going there today and it was closed! WHO THE HELL CLOSED LOTUSFLOW3R.COM?! Prince should have gave up on this already. I am going crazy. Serene78 (talk) 17:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)Serene78

Prince's Relocation
Didn't I read on yahoo news that Prince is going to move to France? Do I have to install this? Serene78 (talk) 11:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC) Serene78

Prince's Birth Name
Since when is Prince born Prince Rogers Raymond Nelson? That is soooo wrong. Serene78 (talk) 12:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC) Serene78

Prince's Sense of Humour
Shouldn't there be a paragraph on Prince's sense of humour. It is said in the One Nite Alone... Live! booklet that Prince loves to joke, kid, tease, and make people laugh. Serene78 (talk) 15:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC) Serene78

Nickname
Isn't P Prince's nickname? Serene78 (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2010 (UTC)Serene78

Internet Loathing
Wut's up with Prince and da Internet. They were a connection b4 and not anymore. WHAT IS GOING ON!!!!!!!! --Serene78 (talk) 15:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)Serene78

Internet and Technology Loathing
Should we install that Prince is no fan of digital devices? Mann Prince is ODing on it. He's bugging. Also, it seems like I am having a falling out with him. --Serene78 (talk) 12:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)Serene78

Present
What the hell is wrong with Prince? It seems like he is getting out of control. And the only thing dat is humiliating is that he is no fan of underwear. Damn, I should break up --Serene78 (talk) 13:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)Serene78

2 Divorces
What's up with Prince and his divorces? :( Can't he just get along? Should I install that Manuela and Prince divorce because Prince is infatuated with Támar and was spending more time with her? Or, I should install that tragedy pushed Prince and Mayte apart?                    Serene78 (talk) 17:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC) Serene78

Associated artists
I have a web page inspired by an article originally published in UPTOWN #17 ( A SONG 4 U - songs written by Prince for other artists, List compiled by PER NILSEN and LARS O. EINARSSON. Details also supplied by SAM SANDBERG and MAGNUS NILSSON), which I have updated with information from the O(+> Family and other sources, such as Billboard magazine and Prince's web sites and fan sites. The web page is at http://www.neosoul.com/music/purplejams.html and could be used as a source for needed citation concerning Prince's involvement with other artists in the main article concerning the musical artist known as Prince.Pryneski (talk) 19:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's a useful page and of interest to me as I collect Prince-related records. One small correction though, in the opening paragraphs it says "His next name, Christopher Tracy, was also used on one occasion only, as author of "Manic Monday" for The Bangles." He used only "Christopher" for his credit on "Manic Monday", Christopher Tracy was the character he played in the film Under the Cherry Moon. This is a common error though, "Manic Monday" and Under the Cherry Moon were both released in 1986 so that's probably why people sometimes mix them up. Markfury3000 (talk) 17:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Love symbol
May I suggest replacing all "Love Symbol"s with O(+>s on this article?--85.210.21.245 (talk) 23:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Maceo
I can't believe there is no reference to Maceo Parker in Prince entry. They have played together in many concerts of the 2000s decade, having a horn solo in them, and showing an influence.El Pantera (talk) 17:30, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

German article
The article Prince has been rated as "exzellenter Artikel" in German WP. Someone might add one of these little stars at "Deutsch" in the Other Languages List. Thanks, --Toni am See (talk) 11:03, 26 December 2010 (UTC) In the meantime, I've found out how to do it. Done, --Toni am See (talk) 13:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Live albums
Should we install that C-Note is a live album or not? The information said that it is recorded in the locations recorded during the One Nite Alone...Tour. --Serene78 (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)Serene78

C-Note
Should I install that C-Note has quiet storm? --Serene78 (talk) 19:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)Serene78

Internet
What does Prince mean when he said "The Internet is over."? Doesn't Prince realize that his stance against the Internet will increase illegal downloading? --Serene78 (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)Serene78

New Material
Is 20Ten Deluxe and Welcome 2 America released? Should we install that Prince changes his mind all the time or not because this is true? --Serene78 (talk) 22:23, 29 January 2011 (UTC)Serene78

"A Million Days"
Hold on, people. I found the information to this song. Should we install that it is the oldest track on the Prince album Musicology. It is recorded in 1995 during The Gold Experience sessions. Links: http://www.princevault.com/index.php/A_Million_Days and http://www.princevault.com/index.php/Album:_Musicology. --Serene78 (talk) 23:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)Serene78

NPG Music Club
Should I install that the NPG Music Club allows people to chat with others or not? This is true. --Serene78 (talk) 19:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)Serene78

Last concert of the 20TEN tour
Last concert of the 20TEN tour was not in Abu Dabi, because he played another concert on November 18th in the Gelredome in Arnhem (The Netherlands).

It is spelled Dhabi with an H. --Serene78 (talk) 17:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)Serene78

One Nite Alone...Tour (2002)
Should I install that on the One Nite Alone...Tour that Prince jokes, teases, and makes people laugh? This is true because it says in some reviews. Seriously, should I put that Prince shows off his comic side on that tour and it is The Rainbow Children-themed? Also, this is family-friendly. Prince even shows off his gentle and snuggling side. He even does all of his speeches and comic jokes. --Serene78 (talk) 19:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)Serene78

btw, Wikipedia is not (!) a Prince-fanpage... LG :-) --Mr.Livadia (talk) 18:58, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

The information was recorded in the One Nite Alone...Tour book. --Serene78 (talk) 17:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)Serene78

Tour book = fan item --Mr.Livadia (talk) 19:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Guitarist
He is a damn good guitar player, and underrated one too. could you just credit him as a guitarist too not just singer, songwriter, musician. i mean it doesnt really matter it would just be cool. --76.113.62.128 (talk) 05:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Golden Raspberry "Award"
The sentence "He received the Golden Raspberry Award for his efforts in acting and directing" is quite misleading. He actually received the Worst Actor, Worst Director and Worst Original Song "awards" for Under the Cherry Moon.StevinCT (talk) 23:37, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

New power soul Not in discography
I think New Power Soul by New Power Generation (Prince) should be in the discography as well - real cool album btw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.184.152.105 (talk) 11:32, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Please correct the musical influences section.
U 4got Little Richard as one of his musical influences, and he has stated that he did NOT pioneer the Minneapolis Sound. He just brought what was already happening there to the masses, which is no small thing, but he DOES like to make that distinction, in honor of those whose names we don't know who were doing what he does, and influencing him in his own backyard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasetshego (talk • contribs) 21:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Open'er Festival 2011
It is worth notice that the Artist performed on the 2nd of July during Heineken Open'er Festival at the Kosakowo Airfield in Poland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.8.102.174 (talk) 14:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

need an impact on culture section-really
For example stuff like: in the 1980s it became common with funk artists such as Prince (e.g. "All the Critics Love U In New York", "I Would Die 4 U"), and eventually came to be epitomized in the rap and hip-hop genres, with both song titles (e.g. Kiss Me Thru the Phone) and artists' names (e.g. Ludacris, Phanatik, Gorillaz). All kinds of influences should be in a separate section. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 14:50, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Opening
The current opening is not guideline compliant. The article title, or a variation of it, should be the subject of the opening sentence. Here the title is relegated to a clause following the subject's full name. I must admit that I am more familiar with The Artist Formerly Known as Prince episode than with the subject's music. I assumed this was a brilliant and cynical publicity-grabbing gimmick. But I looked at Rolling Stone profile, and they don't even mention it, as if it was embarrassing somehow. In any case, I certainly think this issue should be mentioned in the lede. Kauffner (talk) 10:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 January 2012
Prince is the first and only artist since the Beatles' "A Hard Days Night" to have a number one album, single, and film simultaneously.

Bradalius (talk) 02:15, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

The text of Prince's article says he is the only artist to ever simultaneously have a number one album, single, and film. This is incorrect as the Beatles did that with A Hard Days Night.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 04:53, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

First Avenue
Hello. Anybody here live in Minneapolis? This is a great article except it seems to be missing a mention of First Avenue. Well it's in here, mostly in parentheses. How could and did Prince, who is so talented, become a star if he had no place to play? -SusanLesch (talk) 20:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Link wrong earth tour
It currently links to 21 nights in london or something, but it's supposed to link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Tour_(Prince) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.31.156 (talk) 03:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Our "culture"
Geez, I don't know. What does it say about our country when the article on a pop singer is three times the length of the article on Alexander Pope?98.170.199.37 (talk) 01:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You understand that Wikipedia is a worldwide project, yes? --Hammersoft (talk) 03:00, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So...the rest of the world should be more impressed by our comprehensive knowledge of a pop singer, but not by our appreciation of serious literature? Hmmm....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cd195 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

whats this got to with prince?? stop wasting are time with you're god loving bull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.56.93 (talk) 23:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 February 2012
I think it should be noted that Prince emitted a disclaimer through Dr. Funkenberry's blog about the quotes regarding his opinion on wearing burqa. It's not objective to quote one side of the story without quoting the other. Source here: http://www.drfunkenberry.com/2011/06/24/2-sides-2-every-story-when-it-comes-2-prince/

Thanks.

(Lotusflow3r999 (talk) 11:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC))

fact or fiction
prince fired a chef for not wanting to fix prince cheese and macaroni... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.204.214.251 (talk) 04:37, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

fiction, the chef could sue for many money for that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.202.232.89 (talk) 11:20, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

prince
Hey all I went today on the page and I was pleasantly surprised to see that Prince's biography on the top next to his pic and info-box is updated big-time. It's sort of like a round up or summary of his career, which is a great addition since almost every other artist has one. lol i hope no one deletes it, since i support it all the way.


 * I didn't know Prince is one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Can that be confirmed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.27.42 (talk) 11:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The article gives the sources. Span (talk) 11:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Prince's Mother has Jewish ancestry
Prince's Mother HAS Jewish ancestry, therefore Prince is Jewish... Here are the sources and sites that claim that Prince's Mother has Jewish ancestry www.trueknowledge.com/q/what_is_prince_azim's_nationality 5 answers indian has been the nationality of Prince Azim since at least January 26th 2011, ... Birth Name: Prince Rogers Nelson. ... Both of his parents were African-American although his mother, Mattie Shaw, had Italian and Jewish ancestors, as well. What Is Prince Rogers Nelson's Ethnicity | uk.ask.com/what-is uk.ask.com/.../what_is_prince_rogers_nelson's_ethni... - United Kingdom Prince Roger Nelson is African- American. Both his parents are African- American though his mother has ancestors of Jewish. ... African- American though his mother has ancestors of Jewish and Italian descent. ... Prince's Mom Mattie Shaw ... what is prince's ethnicity - Ask Community www.ask.com/answers/63867221/what-is-prince-s-ethnicity Prince Rogers Nelson, better known as Prince, is African-American. ... were African-American although his mother, Mattie Shaw, had Italian and Jewish ancestors. What is Mary Prince's nationality? - Evi www.evi.com/q/what_is_mary_prince's_nationality What is the legal nationality of the person Mary Prince (c. ... british has been the nationality of Mary Prince since at least June 13th 2010 ... Prince. AKA Prince Rogers Nelson. Born: 7-Jun-1958 Birthplace: Minneapolis, MN [1] . ... African-American although his mother, Mattie Shaw, had Italian and Jewish ancestors, as well. You can call this vandalism if you want, but I think it's true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.118.36 (talk) 06:27, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Associated acts
You have not including Madonna for their collaboration on her Like A Prayer album — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.181.62.167 (talk) 06:34, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

prince records
prince has sold 100 million records, according to Forbes. As forbes is very reliable and is known for calculating wealth/records, please change the 80 million claim to 100. thanks. http://www.forbes.com/sites/velocity/2010/07/09/prince-is-right-the-internet-is-over/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.1.155 (talk) 22:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

2013 Awards Season
I've noticed that this is an article that can't be edited by the general public, so I just wanted to point out that Prince is slated to be a presenter at the 2013 Grammy Awards on 10 Feb 2013. Links to articles that announce this: http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1537660/bruno-mars-rihanna-sting-to-join-forces-for-grammys-performance http://music.msn.com/grammy/show-performers-justin-timberlake/story/feature/

Also, on 19 May 2013, Prince will be presented with the Billboard Icon Award at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, where he will also be performing. Link to official Billboard article: http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1510642/prince-to-be-honored-at-billboard-music-awards-on-may-19

Speaking of Billboard, Prince is on the cover of the 26 Jan 2013 issue of the magazine: http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1526279/prince-the-new-billboard-cover-story Kelelain (talk) 19:58, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Generally we don't report things that haven't happened yet. So best to wait till the events are over and then we can use those press reports as sources for what actually happened. Thanks again. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 20:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Discography issues
I've noticed several serious issues with the Prince discography, that needs some attention from an experienced Prince fan.

Please see: Talk:Prince albums discography. Thanks! --Eddyspeeder (talk) 23:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

There's also a reference to a 1999 album "Bootleg Collection Volume One" which is bogus. There's a bootleg out there by that name, but it was not released as the article leads one to believe. It's just an odd combination of bootleg tracks, which a simple Internet search will confirm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.209.5.39 (talk) 22:48, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Impressive article
This article is impressive, far better than a B rating for projects. If taken to GA or better yet FA, feel free to ping me so I can help at review. Thx. ♫ Cricket02 (talk) 03:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Add image
In the section on Prince (musician), please add the image at right, placing it immediately above the following paragraph:
 * In 1979 Prince created a band which included André Cymone on bass, Dez Dickerson on guitar, Gayle Chapman and Doctor Fink on keyboards, and Bobby Z. on drums. Their first show was at the Capri Theater on January 5, 1979. Warner Bros. executives attended the show but decided that Prince and the band needed more time to develop his music.

Thanks in advance. 67.100.127.68 (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 11:25, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Osama
Why not mention this? 93.211.29.66 (talk) 08:26, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 September 2013
Please change the introduction blurb, 3rd paragraph. It currently reads: He released three more solo albums before debuting the New Power Generation band in 1991, which saw him changing his stage name to an unpronounceable symbol known as "The Love Symbol".

Please update to: He released three more solo albums before debuting the New Power Generation band in 1991, which saw him changing his stage name to an unpronounceable symbol. He was officially known as "The Love Symbol" (copyright), while media- and casually-described as "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince" or "The Glyph".

Because/Why/Source? I'm a fan who lived during that time! If you need an internet source, how about: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,273604,00.html. The copyright is already cited as source #66.

Imsomony (talk) 02:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:. The proposed wording is confusing and grammatically unsound. The "Artist formerly known as' moniker is discussed in some detail in the body of the article. Whether it is important enough for mention in the lede is a question best decided through discussion and consensus here on the talk page. Note that the source you provided does not mention "The Glyph" with a capital 'G'. Rivertorch (talk) 18:01, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

"Wide vocal range"?
An interesting description of a predominantly high-pitched squeak. Are there any citations from a reliable, scientific source? If not, suggest removing description or changing it to "predominantly high-pitched squeak". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.118.74.40 (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2014
Under this section the word TOUR has been misspelled, please change toujr to tour. 3rdeyegirl: 2013-present

In February 2014, Prince performed two intimate concerts with 3rdeyegirl to promote a British toujr.

Garyr1972 (talk) 15:28, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done RudolfRed (talk) 15:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2014
39.32.233.67 (talk) 09:32, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. No request was made. (t) Josve05a  (c) 09:41, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2014
Body text mentions Academy Award won by Prince, but the Awards section does not. 10 Awards and nominations 10.1 Grammy Awards 10.2 MTV Video Music Awards should be: 10 Awards and nominations 10.1 Grammy Awards 10.2 MTV Video Music Awards 10.3 Academy Awards

In the awards section please add a section "Academy Awards" Music (Original Song Score) Prince, "Purple Rain"

77.186.202.226 (talk) 08:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Done. By the way, for a more detailed list of awards won by Prince, see Prince/Auszeichnungen (in german). --Toni am See (talk) 10:46, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Rock and Roll Love Affair and Other New Material
You have failed to include information for Prince's latest single, Rock and Roll Love Affair. It can be found here: http://princevault.com/index.php/Rock_%26_Roll_Love_Affair. Also, new Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube accounts have surfaced called "3rdeyegirl" releasing new material from Prince. It is also rumored that he has a new album in the works. comment added by Tanasio Loudermill

Sinead O'Connor
The Sinead O'Connor section is completely unnecessary. There have been a million allegations about Prince since his career began and a bunch of celebrities talking about meeting him, why is Sinead's any different? Her story doesn't make sense (considering it's been changed 100 times) but even if it was... what use is it to add it to this article? We may as well add everything his protegees and famous associates say about the man.

The Osama prediction
Is this Video here real? That sould be from a conzert in Utrecht (Netherlands) in 1998. 79.255.86.47 (talk) 23:34, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Golden Globe award
The Golden Globe that Prince won in January 2007, for "The Song of the Heart" as Best Original Song, should have a separate entry in the Awards section of the page. Sburban (talk) 04:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Ethnicity
All four of Prince's grandparents were from Louisiana, which makes him Louisiana Creole. So can someone put him the "Louisiana Creole people" category please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.6.104 (talk) 04:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Prince doesn't appear to have any Creole ancestry. All his recent ancestors had British surnames, not French ones more typical of Creoles. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 05:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Grandparents on both sides of his family were from Louisiana - one family surname is Bonnell, which is French. So, Creole very possible and cannot be ruled out so quickly.  See this  for a start.  But, at this point, it's original research.  Maybe it deserves some effort to find a reliable reference to support Creole ancestry, IP 173.49.6.104.  You're welcome to find a reliable source and add it to the article to support the addition of the category. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  06:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2015 small spelling error
In the very first paragraph 'pioneer' is misspelt 'pinoeer'.

86.179.194.41 (talk) 04:28, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ --I am  k6ka  Talk to me!   See what I have done  04:32, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Birth Name
This article is semi-locked so I'm not touching it. But surely someone has noticed by now that his name is wrong. His middle name is Rogers, not Roger. Check IMdB or any other source for confirmation. 71.232.14.219 (talk) 05:55, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * That's what I wondered - I always understood him to be Rogers, why different to other sources? Gomez2002 (talk) 08:45, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * The source for "Roger" instead of "Rogers" is a longtime music writer from Minneapolis who saw his birth certificate. http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/blogs/295046261.html. In 1984, he "interviewed countless people in Prince’s life – from his parents and his high school music teacher to various classmates and musicians." All other sources likely heard the story Prince was named after his father's band name, Prince Rogers Trio, and just went with Rogers. But if someone can find a more definitive source, great. Mnnlaxer (talk) 16:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Here is another source based on court documents that lists his name as Prince Roger Nelson: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/04/prince-minnesota-homestead-foreclosure-mortgage-arrears-debt/ And a 1992 LA Times article: http://articles.latimes.com/1992-09-05/entertainment/ca-5707_1_warner-bros Mnnlaxer (talk) 14:36, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2015
Tonight, legendary rock star Prince is performing a concert in Baltimore, and thanks to one of the newest players in the streaming music world, you don’t have to be in the city to experience the powerful performance. please delete COS reference about performing at paisley park. Prince has not lived there in 5 years. Prince lives in Hollywood Hills, see 3121 which part of his address.

Alexdeparis9 (talk) 14:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  22:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

The Osama prediction
Is this Video here real? That sould be from a conzert in Utrecht (Netherlands) in 1998. 2003:74:CF15:CB71:3DB6:5046:FA4E:338D (talk) 14:33, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2015
The paragraph beginning "Prince is a trademark owned by Paisley Park Enterprises Inc...." should be removed. The paragraph is synthesis, citing primary sources to support statements that are not in the sources cited. - Tefkasp (The Editor Formerly Known as SummerPhD) (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Padlock-silver-open.svg Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. -- Orduin  Discuss 21:31, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

PRINCE
HE IS NOT'A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.98.94 (talk) 12:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Several reliable sources cited in the article say he is. We report what reliable sources say. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 14:03, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Prince is a "dancer"?
The Categories and the Infobox both make uncited assertions that Prince is a "dancer", something not mentioned in the text. Either a cited assertion should go in, or the Cat and occupation should be deleted. --Dweller (talk) 14:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * He uses choreographed movement on stage, but I don't think dancer applies to him. Not in the article to support it with a ref or two?  Cat should be removed. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  15:20, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Spelling errors
If the wiki page needs to be locked, then there should be no spelling or grammatical errors, as is the point of wikipedia in the first place to avoid such screw ups. Surprize does not have a z with it. 199.185.123.81 (talk) 17:36, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2015
Rogers not Roger is Prince's last name.

68.119.236.147 (talk) 04:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: According to the source, Prince's middle name is Roger. Further down in the article his father's stage name of Prince Rogers is mentioned. If you disagree with any of this, please provide reliable sources to support your statement and reopen the request. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 14:19, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Female / Feminine
Second sentence of Sign-O-the Times period. Should probably be feminine rather than female. I've never thought Prince actually sounded like a woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.231.177.2 (talk) 11:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Name
His legal name is Prince Rogers Nelson, not "Roger." It's wrong both times it appears on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.43.27 (talk) 03:49, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The apparently reliable source cited in the article says "Roger". - Sum mer PhD v2.0 13:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Presumably he uses his legal name in litigation (copyright/trademark stuff, mostly), and the federal docket has 30 entries for under "Prince Rogers Nelson" and only one under "Prince Roger Nelson." In the sole case using that name, it was written that way by the person suing him, and the docket expressly states that his name is "Prince Rogers Nelson" and that he was sued as "Prince Roger Nelson." His own counterclaim (i.e., his own lawyer's filing) in that matter names him as "Rogers."

In sum, I believe that's an error in the one newspaper cited in the article. The weight of evidence is clearly on "Rogers" rather than "Roger." Everything I can find that's official has the name that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.1.198.43 (talk • contribs) 18:07, September 8, 2015‎

Even IMDb has it right. Everyone but Wikipedia. I guess that's the way some people like it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.92.227 (talk) 03:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You've made a persuasive argument that might convince people. That is not how Wikipedia works.
 * Wikipedia reports what independent reliable sources say about a subject. IMDb is user edited. We cannot use it for biographical information. Court records are primary sources. We cannot use them for much of anything.
 * What we need is a reliable, published secondary source. Good sources are major newspapers, mainstream magazines and such. We have one in the article right now that says "Roger". It might be wrong. A user-edited site and supposition, though, won't unseat it. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 13:20, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

No, I get that (although thank you for taking the time to educate me . . . I do appreciate it!). I'll see what I can find. . . :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.92.227 (talk) 20:07, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I've nailed it down now. Contacted the author of the cited article, who confirmed that the birth certificate does actually say "Roger." I've now seen an image of it, and that is accurate. Apparently that was a typo, and Prince has always used "Rogers" and signs his name that way on legal documents (such as his marriage certificate to Mayte). Legal change of name may be accomplished either by court decree or by "consistent usage," and Prince has apparently been using this form for at least three decades, so a court would consider it his legal name (and hence his using that form when he signs/files legal documents). However, the birth certificate says "Roger," so Wikipedia is not entirely wrong. I think I'm over it now. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.92.227 (talk) 22:40, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The infobox says "Rogers" yet the lead says "Roger" (and the article used to say the other way around). Which is it?  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 02:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)::Sorry. I've got it now. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 03:00, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Even a birth certificate can be wrong (try genealogical research some time). There are many sources mentioned already, but there still seems to be some confusion. Encyclopædia Britannica, Huffington Post , Bloomberg , Forbes has the same article posted - and this document in a court case "Prince vs Chodera" --Kamishiro (talk) 14:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
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 * I removed the last one, as it did not work, and the material was sourced to the following reference as well. -- The Voidwalker  Discuss 22:49, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Rumours of Prince's Death
TMZ are reporting Prince has died, other sources are reporting that there was a death at his mansion. Does anyone have a solid source in his death? SPACKlick (talk) 17:01, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * They're usually right. They reported Michael Jackson's death for hours before it was confirmed. (109.159.10.49 (talk) 17:03, 21 April 2016 (UTC))


 * I don't think we should say he died and not put the date of death in the intro. We can go with "reported", we'll know for sure whether he died or not in a few hours anyway.-- RM ( Be my friend ) 17:05, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Seeing as how his death was hoaxed earlier this month I think we should have a multitude of independent sources before we put it on the page. Fox6 are now reporting it as well. SPACKlick (talk) 17:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

He died... please add it to the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.67.81.41 (talk) 17:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

AP is also reporting on his death https://twitter.com/AP/status/723196712639193088 Iamcool234 17:13, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Fox Business has confirmed Prince's death (talk) 21 April 2016 (CST)

Seems like a publicist just confirmed. http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2016/04/21/death-under-investigation-at-princes-recording-studio.html JPanic15 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2016
Recent death

Cdpineda (talk) 17:03, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Death not yet confirmed. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * What is the stupidest thing in in Wikipedia: Too willing moderators without common sense. He is dead. http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/21/prince-dead-at-57/ --87.94.227.144 (talk) 17:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The stupidest thing on Wikipedia is reporting someone is dead when they are in fact not. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

If TMZ is the only source, I would rethink my life decisions, TMZ is tabloid hack crap.

We've had that problem before with Ted Kennedy and Robert John Bardo. Its always best to wait until multiple WP:RS confirm the death.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 00:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2016 - 2
Prince died on Thursday, April 21, 2016

Alexisjocelyn (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

HE'S DEAD https://twitter.com/AP/status/723196712639193088 (Bes2224 (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2016 (UTC))

Associated Press is now reporting that his publicist has confirmed the death. -- Arwel Parry (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, he is dead, it is confirmed: http://www.vg.no/rampelys/musikk/prince-er-doed/a/23664591/, Huldra (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

GUYS HES DEAD http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/legendary-artist-prince-found-dead-at-57-report/ar-BBs4G6y?ocid=spartanntp | http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/21/prince-dead-at-57/
 * ✅ Done by someone else. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

As of this post, nothing is conclusive. Most reports are using either TMZ or Twitter as the source. Allreet (talk) 17:18, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Concurred. Reported does not mean confirmed. 134.174.140.214 (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

BBC now confirming and also currently giving an appreciation on the 6 p.m. main BBC1 news as I type this. -- Arwel Parry (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Billboard also confirmed - http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7341522/prince-dead

Billboard originally based its report on TMZ but has is now reporting the death has been confirmed by AP through Prince's publicist...as not in the link above. Allreet (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2016 - 3
Add death date and location for Prince

Joemeilinger (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:20, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2016 - 4
price died in Chanhassen not mineapolis.

Will cutler (talk) 17:33, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:36, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 23 April 2016
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: nomination withdrawn by nominator   Calidum   ¤   21:59, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Prince (musician) → Prince (artist) – It is obvious that Prince is much more than just a musician Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:34, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No support from me Artist is ambiguous and non-specific. Implies he was a painter, a sculptor, someone in the visual arts.  Yes, he was a musical artist, a musical genius, actually, and an amazing entertainer.  Musician encompasses all of those.  Artist is not appropriate, in my opinion.  Unless any better Wiki-related reasoning is given other than a personal preference by the OP, I will stay on the side of No. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  18:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that seems shallow, all you have to do is look at the article and see "what he does". Artist doesn't imply "physical output" Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 18:16, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Please don't insult. Personal feelings about Prince's talent aren't a good enough reason to change the article title.  Do you have anything in the way of Wiki-reasoning to support this change?  The man was a musical artist, perhaps that would be more appropriate than just "artist" on its own? -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  18:22, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That was not an insult, I apologize if it seemed that way to you. Lets not muddy this and move on, lets see what others have to say.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 18:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose move primarily known as a musician. That's the most intuitive parenthetical disambiguation I can think of; the status quo seems to match bullet points 2, 3, and 5 of WP:NAMINGCRITERIA better than the proposed move target and is no worse than the proposed target at any of the others. VQuakr (talk) 18:51, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose Musician suffices, the man's fashion sense and haute couture notwithstanding.  kencf0618 (talk) 18:51, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose "Artist" is vague. He was primarily a musician. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:53, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose Too general, and already implied by "musician". InedibleHulk (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose This was discussed and resolved years ago. Musician is the key attribute to disambiguate from other Prince pages. — JFG talk 21:30, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Edit request
I am requesting an edit to the portion that says Prince was hospitalized and then performed in Atlanta. That is incorrect. He performed at the Fox Theater in Atlanta on April 14th, 2016. After his last show, his plane made an emergency landing so that he could be hospitalized; that was on April 15th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaraNade (talk • contribs) 18:51, 21 April 2016 (UTC)‎
 * I sense based on today's news that the correction will be made soon. Regardless, we need the specific text you wish inserted. Give us the sentence/sentences you want to put in and what you want removed, specifically. Katietalk 18:51, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi,, the information was in the article correctly; the wording was just a little unclear, so I've made it more precise. There's no reason to list a date for each single fact, but it was necessary to indicate that he did perform in Atlanta on the 14th, and then the next day he flew back and was hospitalized. I hope it sounds better to you now. Softlavender (talk) 06:31, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

✅

image
The image in the infobox is definitely a downgrade from mine. Doesn't have to be my image, but can somebody put up something livelier? Micahmedia (talk) 18:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Tvx1 19:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Lead: His death
I know he died right away, and I give condolences to his dedicated fans. However, maybe skim down the intro to just four while details of his death may remain there? Why or why not? --George Ho (talk) 18:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 18:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

New page about his death?
Would it be appropriate to create a new page "Death of Prince Rogers Nelson" similar to that of Michael Jackson? EternalNomad (talk) 21:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No, not enough separate information to warrant it's own page, at least at this point.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 21:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * David Bowie is the template here. kencf0618 (talk) 23:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Quite right. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The first one was a mistake, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

AKA
"Jamie Starr; Christopher; Alexander Nevermind; The Purple One; Joey Coco; x18px; O(+>; The Artist Formerly Known as Prince; TAFKAP"

I feel like this is overkill. Is there any way we could trim this list down? The last one seems like a simple abbreviation. What do others think? --John (talk) 22:33, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'd pick the most/second most known and chop the rest.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 22:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep them, all attested stage names. I would add Camille, his voice alter ego of the 80s... Party time in heaven tonight! — JFG talk 00:06, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2016
Please change:

Sinead O'Connor spoke about her relationship with Prince in an interview with Norwegian station NRK in November 2014. She said that Prince had summoned her to his house after "Nothing Compares 2 U", a song that Prince wrote which became a worldwide hit for O'Connor in 1990. O'Connor said, "I made it without him. I'd never met him. He summoned me to his house—and it's foolish to do this to an Irish woman—he said he didn't like me saying bad words in interviews. So I told him to fuck off." O'Connor alleged that the row became physical. "He got quite violent. I had to escape out of his house at 5 in the morning. He packed a bigger punch than mine."[174]

to:

Sinead O'Connor spoke about her relationship with Prince in an interview with Norwegian station NRK in November 2014. She said that Prince had summoned her to his house after "Nothing Compares 2 U", a song that Prince wrote which became a worldwide hit for O'Connor in 1990. O'Connor said, "I made it without him. I'd never met him. He summoned me to his house—and it's foolish to do this to an Irish woman—he said he didn't like me saying bad words in interviews. So I told him to fuck off." O'Connor alleged that the row became physical. "He got quite violent. I had to escape out of his house at 5 in the morning. He packed a bigger punch than mine."[174] However, O'Connor's interview contradicted what she had told Rolling Stone in a 1991 interview, where she claimed that he threatened violence but did not go through with it; Prince has responded to the allegations, stating that "it never happened." (source:http://prince.org:81/img/8b87dbb606.jpg)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Cannot access link provided to verify content. But I'm skeptical of anything from a website that seems to be from the person in question. If you could provide a direct source for the Rolling Stone article that would be best.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 18:51, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I made the change, because I was able to access the URL which was not something generated by Prince or anyone associated with him. It was an image of a page from the relevant issue of Rolling Stone. What I added was a bit different, because I don't think O'Connor's 2 accounts were significantly different. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 00:09, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Influence and trivia
While we should probably have an influence/pop culture secction, this facts addendum about the chapelle skit:

Prince also played basketball in high school, and continued to play it for recreation as an adult, which later inspired a famous Dave Chappelle sketch.

is trivia. i removed the reference to chapelle, left the rest.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism during the afternoon
For a few minutes on the afternoon of Thu 21 Apr 2016 Eastern USA time, the top of this article bore a lot of seals and boxes stating that Prince was NOT dead. One image was obviously intended to be an instruction from the President of the USA not to edit the page to the contrary. I assume Wikipedia has blocked the snot out of the IP address of the vandal who posted that fraudulent nonsense?2604:2000:C682:B600:4DCB:5CB2:3531:DFFC (talk) 06:26, 22 April 2016 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
 * The vandalism was taken care of by having the page protected. Usually editors are politely asked not to vandalize, If they persist, then they are blocked for a certain amount of time. - Kiraroshi1976 (talk) 06:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Reactions to the death of Prince merge
I feel at this time it is WP:TOOSOON to have a reactions article as we don't even know the cause of the singer's death yet. Yes the article will be made, but I feel we should wait a bit on it for the details to come in. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:09, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

A reaction page should be kept separate regardless of when it is posted. His being one of Jehovah's Witnesses makes it controversial and we do not need to show disrespect to his memory or his family by blowing up his Wikipedia page over unconfirmed reports about rejecting surgery. Corjay (talk) 04:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Don't Merge - The way the page stands now, I don't think it should be merged or kept in the first place. It doesn't provide any encyclopedic information on Prince or his death. Super Sandwich1 (talk) 04:43, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I redirected the page, for now lets wait on it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:44, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

A reaction article is ridiculous. He died, people will comment, there will be no lingering on the reactions of people much beyond today or tomorrow. No article on reactions to his death will ever have any encyclopedic and long-lasting value. Any reactions that are noteworthy can be placed in the article, however, WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTAMEMORIAL must also be kept in mind. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 04:46, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 04:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know about that one, we do have Death of Michael Jackson. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll add that a few lines about general responses (e.g., buildings and websites turning purple in tribute) would be appropriate. But individual quotes are not.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 05:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Death of Prince can still happen as long as it is thorough, encyclopedic and appears to be more than a memorial, like the Reaction page. If nothing more arises from it, except the correct COD, then no. Michael Jackson's death affected more, I think, because he reached more of the general public, whereas Prince possibly didn't (additional branch articlewise). Addendum: 6 million pageviews DOD —  Wylie pedia  05:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * As I just stated at the other talk page where you said the same thing, that article will be nominated for deletion, as well. There's nothing notable about his death.  And in answer to your comment, Knowledgekid87, Jackson's death was a whole different ballgame.  Scandal, a trial, accusations against f murder.  Unless that happens here (and I don't think it will), Prine's death remains non-notable.  He died.  It's sad, people are shocked, but it's not encyclopedic in the manner where a stand alone article is warranted.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  05:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Any type of separate article about his death is completely unwarranted. While he is obviously among the most prominent musicians ever, there is nothing extraordinary or notable about his death, such that it would deserve its own article. Dirroli (talk) 08:04, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * It is WP:TOOSOON. The Death of Michael Jackson was especially notable with regards to the circumstances surrounding it and the subsequent court case. Should this issue arise (and there currently is no suggestion that there is) then a separate article might be warranted. That said, Death of David Bowie has been created in past few months and should there be similar reporting around the Death of Prince, it could be argued an article should be created. Karst (talk) 09:04, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I forgot one word. I should've said "there is currently nothing extraordinary or notable about his death". Dirroli (talk) 11:34, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * There is the mention of an earlier overdose, noted in this article. However, the source appears to be tmz.com, which is not reliable. Karst (talk) 11:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Again I feel that it is only a matter of time before the article is created. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 12:20, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That's not something to feel good about, but you're probably right. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:44, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * And I probably couldn't be more right about Death of Chyna's chances, but that one has drugs, Twitter reactions, mystery, gender issues, vegetarianism and mononyms, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * These lunatics get it. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:39, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Redundant genres in infobox?
Please excuse this if my question has been asked before, but if the Minneapolis sound is a "hybrid mixture of funk, rock, pop, synthpop and new wave," why are funk, rock, pop, synthpop and new wave also listed in the genre section of the infobox? Wouldn't "Minneapolis sound," which is included, be sufficient and more concise?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 21:18, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Minneapolis Sound describes a particular, regional scene that he was tagged with for a bit, it's certainly not what the vast majority of journalism and critical writing on him categorizes his work under—it's always funk, R&B, rock, pop, etc. Guidelines dictate that the infobox should remain general. GentleCollapse16 (talk) 05:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * My issues with the infobox appear to have been resolved. It is now general and not redundant.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 14:12, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion regarding the "Prince (musician)" hatnote on the article "Prince"
There is currently a discussion at Talk:Prince regarding the hatnote on Prince and whether or not it should include a link to Prince (musician). Watchers of this page are welcome to participate in the discussion to help establish consensus for either keeping or removing the link to Prince (musician) in the hatnote. Steel1943 (talk) 14:45, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

writing
From the second and third sentences: ''. . . widely known for his eclectic work, flamboyant stage presence, and wide vocal range. He was widely regarded. . .'' Neither the adverbs nor the adjective are needed, and if such embellishments are thought to be essential, at least vary the terminology. Kablammo (talk) 15:04, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Why not use his actual name?
Why does the article use the name "Prince" throughout the text instead of the symbol he changed his name to? Erniecohen (talk) 15:29, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Because that's an old joke, and nobody ever really played along. They just called him "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince". That also got old quick. Now we do it how everyone does. The normal way. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * So shouldn't the symbol be used for the part of the text that covers his life between his name change and when he changed it back (in 2000)? This is what Wikipedia biographies of Ali and Abdul-Jabbar, for example. Erniecohen (talk) 17:12, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess if you're pushing to see the thingamabob in action, that section would be your likeliest target. But contemporary sources generally avoided it, too, in favour of what their '90s computers allowed. We generally follow suit with common names. Best to just reflect the reality: it was awkward, uncomfortable and uncatchy. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:08, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * NOTE: The symbol wasn't a joke, it was a legal maneuver to avoid some unfair legal restrictions and constrictions the recording studio(s) was/were trying to pull on him. This is well known, and I'm wondering why (and very surprised that) this article doesn't cover that. Softlavender (talk) 18:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Aye. The joke was on them. Practical-like. Some would call it "trolling" today. But yeah, that's a weird omission. Second big thing I haven't seen here today. Anything else conspicuously absent? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, it wasn't a joke, practical or otherwise. He used the symbol because if he used any sort of actual name he would remain legally constricted by whatever nonsense they were holding him to. As for other omissions, I haven't followed Prince's career (besides the Purple Rain song and film) -- so for the one and only fact I know for sure about him to be omitted is a blinding oversight. Softlavender (talk) 19:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That's the same boat I'm in. I forget how "Purple Rain" goes, but I know I've heard it. Are you OK with calling it a "trick"? Maybe "funny business"? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. That caused me to search for some better sources and post the info into the article. Softlavender (talk) 21:13, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Circulating article vandalism story
, et al. Someone may wish to examine and address, via review of Edit summary, the claim made in this vandalism story, at The Wrap. Note the error in its titling (hacked), and in the image shown, the appearance of the Redirected from…" line under the standard WIkipedia second line.

If such a vandalism ever appeared here, it should be readily apparent in the Edit history. If not in that or other records, it may well be a prank, something created in a sandbox, by someone punking The Wrap, or even by one of their staff. Otherwise, I expect they would have provided a link to the version (rather than claiming a screen shot before the vandalism was reverted). Cheers. Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:43, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Apparently so. It was, now blocked, and the edit-summary of the page move (and move back one minute later) was immediately redacted , and the article semi-protected. Softlavender (talk) 21:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Curious and curiouser. Tell me, does this questioning, that I ask of the diligent reverting Admin, make sense to you? Can you see any way that the outside communication of the offensive page (to the web publication, The Wrap) could have occurred other than by the offending editor? My reasoning is at the Talk page of the admin (see link just given). Rsvp here, thanks. I am trying to understand how this could have happened, given the 1 minute attentiveness of the diligent Admin. Cheers. Leprof 7272 (talk) 23:26, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Often vandals do $#!t like that in order to take a screenshot and post it on social media (including the less savory ones like Reddit or 4chan). That's possibly how The Wrap got it; they (or someone who then sent it to them) could have also simply clicked on it at the right time (the window could have been up to nearly two minutes); the third choice is yes they did it themselves, but that seems unlikely to me. In terms of the timing, when someone very famous dies, lots of admins place the article on their watchlists. In terms of the edit summary, etc., the (two) edit(s) has been WP:REVDELed, which means the content and the edit summary are now visible only to admins. Softlavender (talk) 23:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Facts?
I thought Wikipedia was about the facts? The article about Prince refusing surgery because it requires a blood transfusion merely claims "reportedly" without providing the source. The following page shows that such surgery can be performed without blood transfusions: http://www.healio.com/orthopedics/journals/ortho/2012-8-35-8/%7B49d96e9e-037f-43b1-8e4f-8e407c0e5c96%7D/revision-total-hip-arthroplasty-in-jehovahs-witnesses. I recommend removing the claim until it can be verified by an actual source. Corjay (talk) 03:34, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That's because it was "reportedly", and there are thousands of news articles recycling that claim. A BBC source has been added in which the whole story is judged "inconclusive" &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 22:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That article is for Revision Total Hip Arthroplasty, not for original hip replacement, and definitely not for a double original hip replacement. Softlavender (talk) 23:00, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well then maybe you should look at this one: http://bja.oxfordjournals.org/content/68/3/306.full.pdf It's not that hard to do research, people. Let's stick to the facts, please. Corjay (talk) 00:53, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Legacy Section
One of the first things that happened after Prince's death was MTV airing an entire marathon of Prince Music Videos.

Sources:
 * http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/currency/mtv-marking-princes-death-upfront/155859
 * http://kdvr.com/2016/04/21/remember-prince-by-watching-some-of-his-best-performances-music-videos/

Also, more news sources regarding his legacy:


 * http://news.sky.com/story/1683030/princes-legacy-the-master-of-reinvention
 * http://www.nytimes.com/live/prince-in-memoriam/prince-sales-skyrocket-on-itunes-radio-stations-pay-tribute/ [Sales of Prince Spike]
 * http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/04/21/google-honors-prince-purple-rain-home-page/83363008/ [Google Doodle]

Yoshiman6464 (talk) 19:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Other sources


 * Prince and His Fashion Revolution (Rolling Stone)
 * Inspired Bruno Mars, Justin Timberlake, Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Miguel

Cornerstonepicker (talk) 01:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

NOTE: Two brand-new articles on the death of Prince are currently at AfD

 * Articles for deletion/Reactions to the death of Prince
 * Articles for deletion/Death of Prince
 * -- Softlavender (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

People who commented on his death is getting coat-racky and spammy
In my opinion, the list of people who have commented or will comment on his death is already getting too coat-racky and spammy, and it can only get worse. I mean, heads of state and long-time historic household names (McCartney, etc.), yes ... but beyond that it's just going to be a coatrack. Is there anything that can be done to stem the tide of "insert-favorite-musician-here" additions? I mean, unless they had something extraordinarily meaningful and insightful to say, why mention anybody anyway? In the age of social media, everyone and his dog are going to comment. Softlavender (talk) 09:17, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Ditto on the list of cities lighting buildings in purple.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 10:28, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I totally agree with both of you. In fact, I was in the process of removing all the cities for the purple lights sentence but then got edit-conflicted because Lugnuts was doing it at the same time. ;) In terms of musicians who comment on his death, I wouldn't be opposed to removing that entire sentence about Obama and all the musicians. It's simply not notable making a general statement like that because that's what happens every time a very prominent musician dies; the president and tons of musicians express their condolences. If there are some noteworthy quotes from a short list of highly prominent musicians or other famous people, fine. But just randomly naming six to eight singers who expressed a condolence, when there will be literally be hundreds of them making statements, makes no sense. Dirroli (talk) 11:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I would argue that the Obama statement should be included. It has been noted by Spin, Rolling Stone and CNN. Karst (talk) 11:31, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree with Karst, due to the length and detail and significance (meaning, the import of Prince's career that Obama notes) of the statement. I think it bears quoting. Softlavender (talk) 11:57, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * As I said, if there are a short, select list of notable quotes from highly prominent musicians or other famous people, it's fine. But simply saying "U.S. President Barack Obama expressed condolences" is very generic and therefore not encylopedic at all. Literally every president expresses condolences whenever a very famous person dies, so of course it will be reported by many media sources. But a notable quote would be needed to making a mention of Obama worthy of being included. Dirroli (talk) 12:23, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The quote is notable and incisive. Softlavender (talk) 12:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * What quote? Currently, there is no Obama quote in the article. Dirroli (talk) 12:35, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Excellent. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:38, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * And I would argue, as per the above, that one should be included. Karst (talk) 13:59, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * In response to 's "Excellent", I'm including a portion of the non-admin close statements at the linked discussion. They are, by-and-large, an echoing of my own feelings on the matter of comments by world leaders in response to certain events.  Note that the editor's comments are in regard to a much more devastating an important incident, the Brussels terrorist bombing: "there is consensus to include a sentence at WP:NOTNEWS indicating that specific reactions and condolences generally do not qualify for inclusion. This alternative proposal effectively mitigates the concerns mentioned above, and many editors who voted oppose did indicate support for the idea that most reactions are not worth including. Very few editors supported indiscriminately listing all reactions from world leaders, and those who did failed to reconcile their position with WP:INDISCRIMINATE."  Good argument against inclusion.  I see inclusion of presidential comments as non-essential, especially in matters that aren't politically related.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  14:20, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Even less essential to the nearly seven billion potential readers who don't have a President Obama. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Great point. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 14:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I see the point. I suppose the argument could perhaps be made that as the head of state where the subject here is a citizen of, it would perhaps merit inclusion. But I fully accept the consensus and that we should stick with solely a mention (as is the case now). Karst (talk) 14:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm all for mentioning when regular citizens meet their leaders, either for business, awards or handshakes. Actions speak louder than words. I was going to say I was fine with leaving the part where he and Stevie Wonder partied for Obama, but it's not even there to leave in. At least if it were, the part where he suddenly mentions Prince would make some sense, plotwise. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Excellent point by InedibleHulk ("Even less essential to the nearly seven billion potential readers who don't have a President Obama"). By the way, I don't know what "notable and incisive" Obama quote Softlavender was talking about, since I never saw a quote from him in the article. Dirroli (talk) 01:58, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I've included Obama with the rest. Fair enough for now? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Citations needed
The whole 2000–07 section is tagged as unsourced. What shall we do with the section? Also, other portions are tagged as unsourced. --George Ho (talk) 06:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Love 4 One Another Charities
Love 4 One Another Charities should be folded into the article as appropriate. The organization currently appears to be either defunct or on hiatus, but this may very well change when Prince's estate is settled. The man had superb back office! kencf0618 (talk) 20:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Why "Illness and death"?
Since we have no inkling of any kind, as yet, about the cause of his death, why have we bunched it together with "Illness" in the new section title? In my opinion, we should not speculate, not even in the way we word headings. If we knew his sudden death was illness related (and if we didn't know he had just stated that his book would be revealing a lot of things about a lot of people), we could make a heading like that, already. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:57, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Everyone dies of illness. So while not inaccurate, it does go without saying in the header. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:00, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Being shot in the head, or in the arm with a syringe, is not normally classified as "illness". Nor is falling off a balcony or down some stone staircase or breathing poisonous gas. I think you know what I mean. Can't we wait till we (possiby) find our whether or not Nelson died of what most of us would call "illness"? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we both know what the other means. Though don't you think it might imply a connection more strongly if it was just called "Death", but talked of the flu-like stuff? At least the "and" here tells readers these are two things. And those two things are connected chronologically. That sort of organization is the glue holding the topics in his Career section headers together, too. No direct link between the Super Bowl and LOtUSFLOW3R. Is normal, I think. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I changed it from "death" during the flurry of death reports yesterday; at the time it was a subheading under personal life, and there were more than one "death" sections in the article which I removed. The change was entirely because I thought it looked better that way, I don't really like one-syllable "death" section headers because they tend to be one-sentence statements of fact, with any details about prolonged illness shoved in some other section, so I guess you could say the change was speculative. We had a bit about his recent emergency landing so it seemed appropriate, and I do expect we'll learn more about his brief illness and cause of death over the next few days, but I definitely didn't mean anything by adding "illness". Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:09, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:51, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Serge makes a very good point about the "Illness and death" section title. That wording improperly implies that his death was directly related to his recent illnesses. While it may appear likely that there's a direct connection, we have no idea at this point if that's actually the case. And, no, InedibleHulk... it is obviously not true that "Everyone dies of illness". The categories/causes of death are natural (includes illness/disease), homicide, suicide, accidents, and undetermined. Dirroli (talk) 02:14, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Those are called manners. While illness and disease have come to be fairly synonymous in daily life, illness is just poor health or something that causes it. No healthy person has ever died. Not really important, though. Anything we write can be interpreted differently. That's English. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:46, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * We are not diagnosing or doing a post-mortem. We are reporting facts. He was seriously ill for several weeks (and that was reported even within the weeks before he died). He died. There's no point in moving the "Illness" part into a separate section (where would it go?). There's no point in omitting the illness part. There's no point in titling the section "Death", because it's about more than his death -- its about his weeks of serious illness as well. Softlavender (talk) 05:11, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The change to two separate headings (even when they were moved around a bit) was constructive. Changing the heading back to "Illness and death" was not, in my opinion, and goes against consensus here, so far. Changes are normally made in article text when consensus is clear. I respectfully repeat: can't we wait till we (possiby) find our whether or not Nelson died of illness? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:41, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether he did or didn't, as we are not stating that he did. There is no reason size-wise or chronology-wise to separate the section into two sections, especially for events that lasted only a span of a few weeks. Softlavender (talk) 01:15, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Charity
Apparently Prince was involved in a lot more charity than is in the article; Drmies just wrote on his talk page "If you start listing all the charitable work he's done you'll be up for a while." I don't have time to research or look up more (I've merely grabbed some extra info from one of the existing refs), but this is an area that should be researched and expanded. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 05:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Infobox: Adding that he is also known as "The Purple One"
I would like to add "The Purple One" to the list of other names in the infobox; here are 3 mainstream news headlines that use the name; it is his most well-known nickname, as shown by the thousands of other articles indexed by Google.

> He is also known as the "Purple One"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/23/us/prince-fast-facts/

See these headlines:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/arts/music/purple-rain-prince-memorable-albums.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/inside-princes-paisley-park-my-amazing-day-with-the-purple-one-20160422

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7341543/prince-songs-deep-cuts

https://www.google.com/search?q=prince+%22the+purple+one%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

InternetUser25 (talk) 05:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I've reverted that. The infobox "Also known as" parameter is for pseudonyms or stage names used by the person themselves. It is not a grab-bag of nicknames. Softlavender (talk) 05:33, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Initial autopsy report indicates no signs of suicide, trauma, or foul play.
Seems like important information until real cause is known. What do you think? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prince_(musician)&oldid=prev&diff=716658468 Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 00:52, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Get consensus first. There's no reason to have that in Wikipedia when he'd been seriously ill with flu-like symptoms for several weeks. Wikipedia isn't a newspaper and we don't do scandal-mongering. Softlavender (talk) 00:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * He's getting consensus. Or is there another process for that I am not aware of? I concur with his suggestion. This is not scandal-mongering. It's a confirmation that limits speculation. Corjay (talk) 00:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:BRD. Consensus first for a controversial and contested edit that is not within Wikipedia's usual style. Do not re-add until there is a consensus to add it. To say the "real cause is unknown" is not true when he'd been seriously ill for weeks, even having to make an emergency landing to go to a hospital the week before. Our place is not to "limit speculation". Speculation, or discussing speculation, is for the media and the tabloids. Softlavender (talk) 01:02, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The report is based on statements from the medical examiner's office. All the hospital stay does is confirm that fact. The real cause does indeed remain unknown, but a professional medical examiner has declared that it is not suicide, trauma or foul play. Your idea of speculation is specious. A confirmation is not speculation. The fact that it limits speculation is merely a benefit, not speculation itself. Corjay (talk) 01:14, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * By the way, I suggest that it be put at the bottom of the "Illness and Death" section. It does not need its own section or subsection. Corjay (talk) 01:23, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This isn't a newspaper and we surely shouldn't give tentative updates in bits and pieces as they roll in, especially when it's a BLP and the content is about the subject's death. And including what his death was not isn't what's important or appropriate for an encylopedia article, like it would be for a newspaper and other media. Let's wait for the final determination and then use what top quality sources report. Dirroli (talk) 02:21, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting a coroner's report is not top quality? Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 04:17, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * A coroner's report is a WP:PRIMARY source. Moreover, the official full final autopsy report will not be released until a week or two from now, per reliable media sources. Softlavender (talk) 04:23, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, Daniel, my comment had absolutely nothing to do with the source and everything to do with the content itself. My point is that we don't know the cause of death yet and therefore need to wait for reliable sources to tell us. From an enyclopedic standpoint, we don't care what didn't cause his death; only with what did. You started this thread by saying "Seems like important information until real cause is known", which is completely contrary to how we edit an encylopedia. Unlike newspapers and other media, which give blow by blow accounts of everything that's reported, an encylopedia waits for the key, relevant information (what you call the "real cause") to be provided by reliable sources. There's no rush. Be patient. When we find out what caused his death, we'll add it. Dirroli (talk) 16:41, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Lastly, there's no reason why anyone would suspect that a death following a very serious illness that had lasted several weeks (which is explained in this Wikipedia article) would involve suicide, foul play, or trauma. The media just needs to sell papers and get eyeballs and thus create buzz and hysteria -- that's the only reason this is being bandied about. Softlavender (talk) 02:35, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * So let me get this straight. It's okay to post speculation about Prince's supposed rejection of surgery on account of his stance on blood, but it is not okay to post a factual update regarding his death? Is this hypocrisy or just some loophole in Wikipedia's rules? Corjay (talk) 08:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Just a double standard. Related to hypocrisy, but a distinct ball of wax. No real loophole, but our consensus policies are intentionally flexible. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems pertinent to me. And if a Star Tribune reports it, it stops being primary. Grammar-wise, should be "The initial autopsy report indicated no signs of suicide, trauma or foul play." And only needs one citation. But it's good stuff. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Or wait, it's all wrong. The police said that. The medical examiner said she'll tell us later. Still, pretty relevant. Should also at least note there was an autopsy. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:35, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

I strongly support adding what the local police and medical officials now have announced on television about no signs of foul play or evidence of suicide. Many people are traumatized by this event. Soothing their feelings a bit will not hurt Wikipedia's dignity. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "Many people are traumatized"? His death is sad and surprising, but let's not go overboard. In any case, this is an encylopedia, not a memorial site. We are not here to comfort the distraught. We need to know what did cause his death, not what didn't. The media can report that stuff, not us. They need to fill time and space. Dirroli (talk) 16:50, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Feelings don't matter, but this has nothing to do with feelings. Or memorials. Just narrowing the circumstances of his death down. What something is is ideal, but what it's not is the next best thing. Useful for dispelling speculation. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:53, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course it has nothing to do with feelings. Tell that to SergeWoodzing, who said, "Many people are traumatized by this event. Soothing their feelings a bit will not hurt Wikipedia's dignity." And, no, it is completely inappropriate for an enyclopedia to narrow down circumstances or dispel speculation! Again, that's for the newspapers, tabloids, entertainment programs, and other media to do. Not an enyclopedia! The only thing we're concerned with in this case is what caused his death. The media has daily deadlines; we don't! Relax and wait for reliable sources to report the cause of death. Dirroli (talk) 07:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd figured I was telling both of you. Serge associated these facts with feelings, and you associated those feelings with memorials and sensationalism. But the facts are still just facts. Too much information for here, in your opinion. Just enough, to others. Same as it ever was. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Sections
The article contains extensive content about his early life, career, personal life, and illness/death. Each of the four should stand on their own and have their own section, and the illness/death info is an extension of the personal life info. Merging the early life, career, and illness/death content into a single "Life" section made no sense. Therefore, I have separated each of the four into their own sections. Dirroli (talk) 10:00, 24 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Having an overarching "Life" section is generally how other biographical articles are organized when there is an extra section on the subject's very public death. Final illness and death are part of their life cycle and come after their career. Illness and Death should not be far below in a stand-alone level-2 section following Personal Life, as Personal Life sections are outside of the fixed chronology of the subject's lifespan. Moreover, Prince's illness began during part of his career/performance. Prince's death was certainly very publicly covered. Lastly, in the Life section is where readers will look for, expect to find, and most easily find the information on his death. It makes sense chronologically, sense-wise, and encyclopedia-wise to have it follow the Career section in an overarching Life section. Softlavender (talk) 10:14, 24 April 2016 (UTC); edited 10:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)


 * None of what you say makes sense, nor does it address the fact that separate early life, career, and death sections are standard, particularly when there is extensive content for each. And are you actually going to say with a straight face that one's illnesses are not a part of their personal life? Let's be serious. And the fact that the illnesses and death in this case relate to an extremely famous person, they need to be separate from his personal life content. General readers looking for info about a famous celebrity's illnesses and death most certainly wouldn't look for it crammed in between his career and artistry content. Let's see what other editors have to say. Dirroli (talk) 10:32, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The sections are separate that way. They are also chronological that way; however not in your layout. Your layout both buries Illness and Death far far far below the Early Life and Career sections -- below three other intervening sections -- and it also over-emphasize Death by making it a level-2 rather than a level-3 header. I will give a comparison below for readers to opine on. Softlavender (talk) 10:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)


 * There's a difference between sections and subsections. In any case, you have again failed to address the standard layout issues I pointed out, nor answered my question about one's illnesses being a part of their personal life. Are you actually claiming that it's not standard for bios to have separate early life, career, and death sections when there is substantial content for each, and that it's more common to cram all of that content into a single life section?? You do undertand the majority of the tens of thousands of bios on Wikipedia include illness and death info in the personal life section, right? And how exactly is having a separate section about his death "overemphasizing" it, particularly when we're talking about one of the most famous people in the world? When you make comments like that, it makes it more difficult to take other things you say seriously. And if you want to talk about chronology, which happened first: his girlfriends and marriages or his illnesses and death? Finally, stay calm. The unnecessary bolding and underlining doesn't advance your position. Now just relax and let other editors weigh in. You've made your points. Dirroli (talk) 11:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I had already covered your question in my first post: illness and death are fine to put in a Personal Life section (often without any header at all) if they were not in any way Career-related and if they were not widely covered by the media (i.e., not widely covered beyond standard obituaries). Prince's illness was publicly covered as early as April 7, and was connected with his Career because he missed two concerts because of it, and later fell unconscious and had to be hospitalized following a third concert because of it. Both his illness and his death have been extremely widely covered by media around the world. Therefore they are not personal events -- they are public. Lastly, your layout actually does not put Illness and Death in the Personal Life section -- it makes Illness and Death its own Level-2 section, after Personal Life (and three other intervening sections following Career). I previously addressed your layout concerns; to clarify: Level-2 is a section, Level-3 is a subsection, Level-4 is a subsubsection, etc. (the "levels" refer to the number of equals signs that precede the title). By the way, compare David Bowie, a Featured Article. Softlavender (talk) 11:37, 24 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Compare Teddy Pendergrass, Rich Cronin, Teena Marie, Clarence Clemons, Amy Winehouse, Etta James, Davy Jones, Donna Summer, Scott Weiland, and Natalie Cole. We could play this game for weeks. Dirroli (talk) 12:00, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Anonymous charitable giving/help -- need opinions
This cited information has been repeatedly removed from the article, now leaving the sentence "As a Jehovah's Witness Prince did not speak publicly about his charitable endeavors" as an orphan:

Need opinions/consensus on whether it should be replaced/included or not. Softlavender (talk)
 * What does it actually add, or is it just fancruft that belongs on Wikiquote? --John (talk) 09:52, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It reveals the remarkable charitable aid and assistance he privately and often completely anonymously gave to strangers in need, "every single day of his life". Softlavender (talk) 10:35, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * According to his friend, according to the Daily Kos. Is it slightly promotional in tone, do you think? Slightly undue to include the long quotation? --John (talk) 10:48, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Not promotional; the person is dead and already very renowned around the world. I don't consider it UNDUE or even long (the entire quote/interview in the article is several paragraphs, and the tiny bit we have on Prince's charities is a mere drop in the bucket according to : so it's hardly UNDUE at this point). I used a quote because it was difficult to summarize adequately or accurately, and the quote is elegant (more elegant prose than I could make it). As far as the person being a friend, I don't know how good or close of a friend he was (the article says he worked together with Prince on several charities), but Van Jones is a respected and notable journalist (with a 60,000+ byte Wikipedia article), and only someone who was a friend would know of secret anonymous giving, so I think that point is moot on both counts. I used the material because this Daily Kos article was already being used as a citation in the article but to emphasize the wrong thing: that Prince didn't reveal or talk about his charity because he was a Jehovah's Witness (which seemed to me to be missing the crux of the article and promoting Jehovah's Witnesses). Softlavender (talk) 12:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Putting aside the issue of using Daily Kos as a source, that long quote is indeed undue. And, yes, Van Jones and Prince were very close friends. I watched a few TV interviews with Jones the day of the death, and he cried like a baby while explaining his relationship with Prince. Dirroli (talk) 13:08, 24 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thought: We could perhaps summarize it by saying "Prince also gave frequent completely anonymous help to strangers in need." Although personally I prefer the quotation as it is more accurate and eloquent and in my mind sums up the situation better. Softlavender (talk) 12:33, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Why isn't his full name in the title?
It should go there--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Because of WP:COMMONNAME,  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 20:43, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

opening paragraph
I changed the opening from


 * "He was a musical innovator and known for his eclectic work, flamboyant stage presence, and wide vocal range."

To


 * "He was a musical innovator and known for his eclectic work, flamboyant stage presence, extravagant dress and makeup, and wide vocal range."

While the phrase "flamboyant stage presence" is good, I didn't think that phrase captured him known for his unique clothing and makeup both on and off the stage. So I added the "extravagant" phrase. "extravagant" isn't quite the perfect word, but I didn't want to use the word "flamboyent" twice. And "androgynous" didn't work either. Maybe someone cant think of a better word. It's a longer sentence now, but I thought it was still pretty good.

20:56, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Grammy awards and nominations in the prose
I just started the article for "International Lover", Prince's first Grammy nomination. I was suprised not to see his first Grammy nomination or his first 4 Grammy wins mentioned in the prose.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Go for it and add them! This article is far from complete or comprehensive, as has been noted above. If you have the information, you are well-placed to add it, IMO. Softlavender (talk) 04:05, 25 April 2016 (UTC)