Talk:Prince Charles Alexander

Tidy up
The page has been tidied up following years of COI activity that didn't adhere to any of the key principles such as WP:Promo, WP:COI and WP:NPOV. I hope connected editors now leave the article to independent editors to grow within the published guidelines. Rayman60 (talk) 21:15, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I am the subject named Prince Charles Alexander. Although I appreciate the cleaning up of my biographical information, Rayman60 has used language that inaccurately describes the instrument in Prince Charles and the City Beat Band. The band did not use the Lyricon in its music, Prince Charles did. I am a wind instrumentalist that used that very innovative instrument to create the group. The group was my brainchild. To say that the band used the instrument is inaccurate and diminishes the relationship that I had with the instrument and elevates the role of the band in the decision to use that instrument that had only been invented a year or two before. It is really an inaccurate statement.
 * Answered on IRC. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 05:50, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I added context to a webpage that is biographical in nature about me. I wanted to add a URL supporting the information but do not want toget flagged. This is the URL supporting the statement about the first string engineers "at Bad Boy Records."

https://books.google.com/books?id=0wkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=prince+charles+alexander+and+sean+combs&source=bl&ots=d5D5-8EkTo&sig=x8kgpGrTDvVbLYS5PC7E6fuMp4I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhz87drYvYAhUM0oMKHQJcAUI4ChDoAQgmMAA#v=onepage&q=prince%20charles%20alexander%20and%20sean%20combs&f=false


 * I'd strongly advise you not to edit the article directly but to instead propose specific changes here on the talk page. As it stands, the article is blatantly promotional and misrepresents sources. I haven't looked at the page history, but I'm sure you'll agree it wouldn't look good if changes of yours would need reverting with an edit summary like "remove self-promotion". Thus it's better not to make changes yourself in the first place but to let others evaluate them instead. Please also compare WP:Autobiography: Writing about yourself is strongly discouraged due to the inherent conflict of interest.
 * Regarding the specific source, I don't see where it mentions that you worked as a string engineer, nor Bad Boy Records. It thus does not support the statement you want to cite it for. Huon (talk) 20:15, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Also, here is a citation mentioning the fact that I have a Bachelor's Degree. If you need Brandeis University to verify that I indeed have a degree, or you need a scan of my actual degree, I would be glad to work on one or both for your team. Please let me know. I am trying to adhere to your policies. Thank you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/before-pop-stardom-many-of-todays-young-musicians-earn-college-degrees/2016/01/02/c5b98392-7bb2-11e5-b575-d8dcfedb4ea1_story.html?utm_term=.095985238f48


 * Wikipedia content should be a summary of what reliable third-party sources have reported about you. Brandeis University clearly is not a third-party source on degrees it bestows. If no one but you and the university granting the degree considered it worthy of mention, it would not be all that important a part of your biography, and we might consider omitting it altogether. The Washington Post clearly is an independent source, but it also clearly is only reporting what you said about your education without endorsing it ("Alexander said he was fortunate that he had a degree in political science from Brandeis University"). We already have another not-quite-optimal source for your BA from Brandeis; I don't think we need to add a second. I do agree that a BA probably is uncontroversial enough that even not-quite-optimal sources such as the high school page can suffice. Huon (talk) 20:15, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I am attempting to get two citations removed from my page. One of them is questioning my Bachelor's degree from Brandeis University. Do you want me to scan my degree? The other is whether I worked at the Institute of Audio Research, which is now out of business. Perhaps the following link will be useful for both points?

https://ofa.fas.harvard.edu/event/panel-discussion-%E2%80%9Cfuture-instruments-what-will-musicians-be-playing-coming-decades%E2%80%9D


 * I assume you want the citation needed removed, not any citations. You already removed one; I agreed with that removal. The Harvard speaker biography, however, falls far short of what we expect of reliable sources. We'll need more than that, or we need to remove the badly-referenced content.

I am the subject of a biographical wiki page. The cleanups of my page are looking for digital citations but all of the information that has been deleted exists in paper form. My Masters degree was earned in 2014. I have not been cited in any newspaper articles between that time and the present mentioning that fact even though there are photographs of me receiving my degree, as well as my actual degree that hangs on my wall.

Here is link to the Berklee Faculty Union page that states I have a Masters

http://www.berkleefacultyunion.org/committee/

And here is a Parsons Audio lecture mentioning my work in South Africa.

https://paudio.com/speaker/prince-charles-alexander/
 * There's no requirement for sources to be digital. The print edition of a newspaper would also do, for example, or books on music history published with a reputable publisher. If, however, there are no reliable secondary sources for the newest developments in your life, Wikipedia should not cover those developments. We should instead focus on explaining what you are notable for. That will be far more helpful for our readers. Huon (talk) 20:15, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Got it Princhalex (talk) 21:46, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Grammar
What about if I disagree with grammatical choices by an editor? Princhalex (talk) 21:45, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * If there's a grammatical error, it should of course be fixed. If it's a matter of choice, my advice would usually be to defer to the other editor and to not change it just because you prefer something else. That's the stuff lame edit wars are made of. Huon (talk) 22:28, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Got it!
OK, I just read through a lot of the wiki info about articles. Thank you. I understand the wiki mission much better now. Princhalex (talk) 21:45, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion?
I am the subject of this biographical article.

POSSIBLE TO CHANGE Sean "Puffy" Combs[6] used Alexander, Tony Maserati and Paul Logus as his first-string mixing engineers during the early years of Bad Boy Records.

TO Alexander's notable work is as a recording and mixing engineer for producer Sean "Puffy" Combs during the early years of Combs' Bad Boy Records. https://www.discogs.com/The-Notorious-BIG-Ready-To-Die/release/10916165

There are 1395 entries such as this at Discogs

https://www.discogs.com/search/?q=prince+charles+alexander&type=all

Thank you. Princhalex (talk) 21:45, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree that sentence should be reworded. The Billboard article you link to above can serve as a basis for a rewording. Discogs, however, is user-submitted content without meaningful editorial oversight; it's not a reliable source. There's also the problem that your proposed wording engages in editorializing not supported by the source, even if it were reliable. Is that work "notable"? Discogs doesn't say so, and since by its very nature it tries to cover everybody ever working on any record, notable or not, the mere fact that there are 1,395 entries on Discogs mentioning your name cannot be taken as an indication that a specific one, or even all of them together, represent "notable" work. That would require a music critic commenting on your career or the like, some reliable source providing the assessment for us. For now I'll take a "just the facts" approach to that sentence. Huon (talk) 22:18, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Interesting, but loses the scope of work done. Please see my next suggestion that has even more Billboard links? All the best Princhalex (talk) 23:33, 15 December 2017 (UTC) Princhalex (talk) 23:33, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, and a different suggestion
POSSIBLE TO CHANGE Sean "Puffy" Combs[6] used Alexander, Tony Maserati and Paul Logus as his first-string mixing engineers during the early years of Bad Boy Records.

TO Producer Sean "Puffy" Combs used Alexander as a recording and mixing engineer throughout the 1990s.

https://books.google.com/books?id=0wkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=prince+charles+alexander+and+sean+combs&source=bl&ots=d5D5-8EkTo&sig=x8kgpGrTDvVbLYS5PC7E6fuMp4I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhz87drYvYAhUM0oMKHQJcAUI4ChDoAQgmMAA#v=onepage&q=prince%20charles%20alexander%20and%20sean%20combs&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=xwsEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=billboard+prince+charles+alexander+sean+combs&source=bl&ots=jKeflyI6-S&sig=rFQmxRHe33yxVWt8l3bTzEr_Auk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwje2uKtjI3YAhUCRiYKHcYCAdEQ6AEIPDAE#v=onepage&q=billboard%20prince%20charles%20alexander%20sean%20combs&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=eggEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=billboard+prince+charles+alexander+sean+combs&source=bl&ots=MW6QO8Wav1&sig=yh74N5UbdM3FGPz2bGhU08YLo0I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwje2uKtjI3YAhUCRiYKHcYCAdEQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage&q=billboard%20prince%20charles%20alexander%20sean%20combs&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=fwgEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=billboard+prince+charles+alexander+sean+combs&source=bl&ots=40UctBdLmy&sig=lp14KC7vI6s8ia2JVrXB23XgrwY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwje2uKtjI3YAhUCRiYKHcYCAdEQ6AEIRjAH#v=onepage&q=billboard%20prince%20charles%20alexander%20sean%20combs&f=false

http://soulculture.com/features/interviews/jodecis-diary-of-a-mad-band-lp-revisited-with-prince-charles-alexander-return-to-the-classics/

https://escobar300.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/the-tragedy-of-jodeci/

Princhalex (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but that's not what the sources say. It may be true, but we cannot draw that conclusion on our own - we must summarize what reliable sources report. Huon (talk) 21:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect info
There is a young rapper named Prince Charles in the Massachusetts area. He is not Prince Charles Alexander, I am. No More Games is not my work. Independent Records is not my label. Please take these two items off of my wiki synopsis. Princhalex (talk) 08:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The two items you want removed are not here, so there's nothing to do. Binksternet (talk) 10:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Link to the school for my college education.
Reference 2 has a bad link. Here is a good reference: https://alumni.brandeis.edu/stories/alumni/2021-8-19-alexander.html Princhalex (talk) 07:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)