Talk:Prince George, British Columbia/Archive 1

Population
The page says "Prince George is a thriving city of 77,000".

The 2001 census says 85,035 for the region and 72,406 for the city. Should we list the city or the regional population?

Also, these numbers are down about 3.8% from 1996 --- can a city that is losing population be described as 'thriving'?

The 2006 census site is down this weekend so I can't check for more recent numbers.
 * I don't have the current population figure, but it seems that the economy has improved in the past few years. One factor, ironically, is the pine beetle epidemic, which has resulted in increased harvesting in order to make use of the wood before it dries out on the dead trees. Another factor is probably increased activity in the mining sector due to the more favorable attitude of the provincial government since the Liberals came to power in 2001. Bill 21:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Time to clean up
I added the clean-up tag. I think the article has a lot of good information that's pretty disconnected. There's enough now to warrant its reorganization into sections (like Climate, Economy, Education, Tourism, etc).

69.232.65.49 23:11, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Looks fine to me. I removed the cleanup tag. (by the way, in my edit comments I meant to spell "paragraph" not "paragragh".. no idea what possessed me there). Have a nice day. Soltras 05:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

POV
Although this sentence pretty much sums it up: "Nestled deep in the endless forests of northern British Columbia, Prince George is a thriving city of 77,000, and is generally recognized as "BC's Northern Capital."", it is only one of many. This needs some work. --Arch26 00:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Huckleberries in Prince George
An annonymouse user editted out "Huckleberries" and replaced it with "Blueberries" I realized that Blueberries also exist near Prince George, but Huckleberries exist as well (I've hand picked them myself.  Huckleberries make the best darn jam ever!)  Huckleberries around here are a darker navy blue color and also sometimes grow near blueberries which is a lighter blue colour. Huckleberries are smaller as well which makes it far more difficult to pick in a swarm of mosquitoes, lol! Anyways, they exist about 2 hours out of town and are a little bit more rare then huckleberries (climate has always hampered the growth of those things lately)

Anyways, that's my explanation. :)

Trikster85 04:02, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

One problem here is that the terms "huckleberries" and "blueberries" mean different things in different parts of North America (even within Canada), so one person's "huckleberry" is another person's "blueberry". The greater Prince George actually has three species of this type, locally known as "high-bush blueberry", "low-bush blueberry", and "huckleberry". These are: Vaccinium ovalifolium, Vaccinium myrtilloides, and Vaccinium membranaceum respectively. In the local language, Lheidli dialect Carrier, they are called: yalhtsul, 'ilhtsul, and duje. Bill 02:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... I looked these up and the picture of the Vaccinium corymbosum is similar to the one I was thinking, but a lot darker in colour if that helps any.--Trikster85 23:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

For whom is the city named?
The only reasonable candidates are: 1. Prince George, Duke of Kent son of King George V, since the latter (formerly Prince George, Duke of York) had ascended the throne four years before the city was incorporated with its present name. 2. George IV of the United Kingdom, since one assumes this is for whom Simon Fraser originally named the locality "Fort George" in 1807. Anyone know? Fishhead64 22:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Article needs some attention
We're starting to get a lot of uncited edits and changes to this article. I think that this is far below the quality that it should be for a city of its size and importance. Has anyone noticed how nice the Dawson Creek, Chetwynd and even the tiny town of Hudson's Hope articles are? That's what we should be aiming for here. There have been several unsourced edits made lately (some were made to other unsourced edits, granted). Also I'm not sure that the links to other articles should have been removed. If the politicians are taken out of famous people, they should probably be put somewhere else within the article, (if that seems more fitting), as well the hockey players, (aren't/weren't they a notable part of our community whether they were born here or not?) And all the recent changes in the oil industry, airport runways and flights and forestry issues really should be cited, as it's starting to become confusing to read and seems to change a little too frequently. (And South Fort George is actually very historic and was the first settlement here, it was the site of the Hudson's Bay Store, the sternwheeler landing and a BC Express Company office, not to mention the Northern Hotel, which was "the busiest hotel north of Chicago" during rail construction.) Not that that info needs to be here, or even the fact that South Fort George was historic, I think it and Central Fort George and Millar Addition all need their own articles soon anyway. Anyway my point is that there has been some very valuable contributions lately and a lot of interest, but a bit of confusion here too. I'm a fairly new editor myself and haven't contributed much to this article, but it needs some expert attention to get it where it should be.CindyBo 07:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Fort George Name
While many claim it was in honor of King George V or his son, that's probably not true. In 1909, before the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway had decided to buy the First Nation's reserve for their townsite of Prince George, there were two other rival townsites being promoted, South Fort George, at the steamer landing on the Fraser River and Central Fort George on the Nechako River. The promoter for Central was an agressive land speculator by the name of George Hammond, who believed and advertised that the railway station would be built in his townsite. The Grand Trunk Pacific, as they did in many cases like this, bypassed both townsites and built their own. One theory on why they would've named it Prince George instead of Fort George would be to take away credibility from George Hammond's Central Fort George who they were in a series of continual legal disputes over regarding the station. Also Prince George nicely matched the name of the railway's terminus, Prince Rupert, another GTP name that makes little sense. See Prince Rupert. And, call it a coincidence or not, the two GTP Steamships that were built in 1909, long before Prince George was named, were called the SS Prince Rupert and the SS Prince George. One or two companion article{s} of sorts need to be started on South and Central Fort George and the roles they played in the history of Prince George, I didn't even realize that in the history section there is no mention of the years between '09 and '15, and those were enormously important years in this area. I'm still a bit new to this, and have been working on related local sternwheeler articles more than not, but I see a few needs right here too. Anyone else agree that the history section is severely lacking?CindyBo 07:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with your points. I own a copy of F.E. Runnall's brief, old (1946), but very good book, A History of Prince George, so might be able to flesh things out a tad.  Incidentally, it would be a hoot if we were find out that the City of Prince George was named in honour of a steamship!  I'm assuming, giving the dating, the steamship was named for the future George V, who was Prince George, Prince of Wales from 1901-1910. Fishhead64 15:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The book about the SS Prince Rupert and the SS Prince George is Prince ships of Northern B.C. : ships of the Grand Trunk Pacific and Canadian National Railways Norman Hacking. I don't have a copy on hand, but I'll go to the library and doublecheck the dates etc. I know these ships were built to rival the CPR's Princess Ships. It has plenty of interesting local history for Prince George and Prince Rupert too.CindyBo 20:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * For a note about the naming of Prince George and a cite to Akriggs (they say George III) see the talk page of Monarchy in BC -- KenWalker | Talk 07:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Photos
Does anyone have any good pictures of the Spirit Bears or the view of downtown and the mountains from UNBC? Both are mentioned in the article and would be great with pictures. If no one adds any in the next week or so, I'll go take some. Ci ndy Bo talk  21:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There are a few things here -- KenWalker | Talk 07:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

is a great town to live in —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.250.118.110 (talk) 03:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

water quality?
The article does need some work, but the section on water quality deserves some special attention. "Drinking water in Prince George is recognized throughout British Columbia as among the top quality drinking water in municipal systems. Samples from Prince George taps are used as a comparison for other cities because of the quality of the pristine aquifers." This seems wildly outlandish, does anyone have a source for this statement? I know the drinking water does not come from the Fraser River, but does it all come from underground aquifers? Maybe the sentence was issued to try and erase the misconception that Prince George has horrible water quality; I have heard this a lot in the Southern Interior. 24.67.52.119 (talk) 07:10, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Posted by Trikster85
Yesterday, I decided to add a huge chunk of info. It's probably not the best looking thing in the world and could probably stand some editting, but I thought that information was information, so I stuck it on there anyway. I couldn't remember everything though, hopefully someone will figure out the last few bits that I couldn't remember. :)

I also added a satallite image of the UNBC reserve land.

Today I added a park and a link to Lynda Williams. I also remembered a fourth McDonalds location. So there's one near Fort George, one close to Pine Center Mall, one near Esters Inn and the one I forgot was in College Heights. Victoria, Massey, Central,(can't remember the one in College Heights) one in Walmart and one on the Hart —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.114.185.219 (talk) 03:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

-Trikster85

Folk Festival needed in Culture section
Not sure of its proper title, so not adding it for now; once added its name can be a redirect to the appropriate section, and the redirect will be in Category:Festivals in British Columbia.Skookum1 (talk) 20:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Rating
FWIW, I retated as C - needs a lead and more inline referencing. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Arts and Culture
I added a bunch of local talent to the culture section. Thought it would be better to include in-town artists as well as artists that have visited the city during their tours. --Trikster85 23:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Arts and Culture? There needs to be a photo of the town mascot, PG Man, which I can't seem to find on the net at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladarzak (talk • contribs) 08:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I added a small blurb about the Street Spirits Theatre Company as a bullet point under "theatre" but it was undone. why? I believe i provided citations for my contribution... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustychipura (talk • contribs) 01:57, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

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Fluoridation
The section on water quality asserts that fluoridation is a controversial issue here. I suspect that this gives the wrong impression. As far as I have noticed, the controversy consists of the occasional letter to the newspaper opposing fluoridation. No member of city council has proposed eliminating fluoridation, nor can I recall any serious candidate proposing it. Local discussion groups feature complaints about snow removal, potholes, the city council's trip to China, city land purchases and downtown revitalization, the proposed women's rehabilitation centre, and other such issues, but rarely anything about fluoridation. So, it may not be strictly accurate to say that fluoridation is not controversial since there is some opposition, but the issue receives very little attention and plays no role in local politics.Bill (talk) 08:11, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have made an edit accordingly to make it more factual. maclean (talk) 23:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The article now states:"Starting in January 2015, fluoride will no longer be added to the city's water supply." Santamoly (talk) 17:32, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Crime stats for Prince George
Describing 179 offenses per 1000 persons as being a decline from 177 offenses per 1000 persons makes no sense. "This translated into a crime rate of 179 Criminal Code offenses per 1,000 people, down from the previous year's rate of 177". Are the numbers transposed, or can population changes have affected the actual number of offenses, confusing the issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thevillagegeek (talk • contribs) 22:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This appears to be grammatical error. Fixed I see the Ministry of Public Safety has updated (to 2009) crime stats which I will look into incorporating in the article. maclean (talk) 00:03, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

If I'm correct, that this city has the most crime in the entire country. You can find it here at http://www2.macleans.ca/crime-chart/.--24.13.169.19 (talk) 22:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The Macleans stats have moved - they're here now: http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/crime-most-dangerous-cities/ Santamoly (talk) 17:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

The source linked in the article for "The rise in crime is mainly caused by the Aboriginal residents of the city" does not mention Aboriginals at all. There is only a blog comment on the source article saying as such. Is this considered a valid source of information? if not, it should be removed or properly sourced. --99.241.205.80 (talk) 20:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've removed that statement. It would need very strong and specific sourcing. Thanks for pointing it out.  The Interior  (Talk) 22:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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