Talk:Prince George of Wales

Titles and styles, again
I notice George is referred to here as Prince George of Wales. Where does this come from? Does someone somewhere along the line think that is his surname? Georgie is a Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so "of Wales" is a bit superfluous. Anyway, SFAIK this territorial appellation/style is German, not British (Manfred von Richtofen, Alexander of Hesse: Rupert of Hentzau?); it hasn’t been used in England since the Middle Ages, and even then referred to a place of birth rather than a lordship (Edward of Woodstock, Henry of Monmouth). Also, unlike most of his princely rellies ,he doesn’t have peerage, yet, so he is simply Prince George (of the UK of GB and NI). Even then, his dad wasn’t Prince William of Cambridge, and his uncle isn’t Prince Harry of Sussex ( he’s Prince Henry (of GB and NI), (and) Duke of Sussex; two different/separate titles.

I note that the source (Harpers Bazaar?) doesn't say it's his official style, it simply says he is "now known as Prince George of Wales" and his new name at school "will be George Wales" ie. a name of convenience. When his dad was in the Army he was "Lieutenant Wales"—a name based on his father's title Prince of Wales—(presumably because Lieutenant Mountbatten-Windsor is a bit of a n mouthful to shout over the noise of a helicopter) but again, that was a name of convenience, not an official style. Where does this stuff come from? Swanny18 (talk) 23:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


 * William was never "Prince William of Cambridge"; he too, was "Prince William of Wales" before his marriage, as his father, Charles, was the Prince of Wales. William became "Duke of Cambridge" on his wedding day. As for this article using "Prince George of Wales", it's nothing informal or made-up: Britannica uses it too. Regards, Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 23:09, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying: So, is this an official style or is it his common name? Swanny18 (talk) 16:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I would strongly bet on it being his official style, but I can't be sure:,  I don't know if you'd be able to find any good, solid sources for this. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a difference between peerage and princely style. Prince Richard is currently "The Duke of Gloucester". Before getting the peerage, he was simply "Prince Richard of Gloucester" as the son of Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester (see this entry from The London Gazette). Similarly, Prince Michael of Kent is known by this name and style because he's the son of the late Prince George, Duke of Kent and has not been given a peerage. Concerning George, his official style at the moment is "His Royal Highness Prince George of Wales" per 1, 2, and 3 as he's the son of "The Prince of Wales". He could become "The Prince George" if his father accedes to the throne (though usually as the eldest son he would become "The Duke of Cornwall" automatically). The current title is both accurate and common and a great way to disambiguate him from the zillions of other princes named George. Keivan.f  Talk 17:48, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ahh! That makes sense; I had forgotten about Pr Michael (and Pr Richard) and their styles. And I reckon the Household website is a good solid source (I didn’t know if we were just taking some journalists word for it). Thanks for that... Swanny18 (talk) 21:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is his Coat of Arms still missing as of 2024, during the reign of Charles III? Neither are Their Royal Highnesses Princess Charlotte's, Prince Louis', Prince Archie's and Princess Lilibet's. --170.64.206.141 (talk) 23:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * They don't have one. DrKay (talk) 06:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay is right. The practice is to only grant them their own versions when they turn 18. See this article from the College of Arms. Jtrrs0 (talk) 11:53, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Update
Please change his age to ten GothicGolem29 (talk) 23:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The "birth date and age" template in the infobox automatically updates the age without any user interference. No editing needed about that. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:33, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thankyou GothicGolem29 (talk) 11:43, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

History of the prince's styles
I recently added a list of the prince's styles history. It looked like the following. (I don't know how to do bullet points on this part of Wikipedia, so imagine one behind every line)

22 July 2013 — 8 September 2022: His Royal Highness Prince George of Cambridge

8 September 2022 — 9 September 2022: His Royal Highness Prince George of Cornwall

9 September 2022 — present: His Royal Highness Prince George of Wales

It said it was removed because there is no source for the second title. The matter of the fact is, a prince or princess of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland without a peerage in their own right uses "of [father's or late father's highest peerage title]". Hence, that is why he was styled "of Cambridge" during the roughly day and a half before his father was appointed Prince of Wales

Example. Despite being 81, Prince Michael of Kent was never given a peerage. He uses "of Kent" as it was his late father's highest title.

Another example. In the rare decision that either James, Earl of Wessex or Lady Louise Windsor decide to use the title of Prince or Princess, he or she would be styled "Prince James of Edinburgh" or "Princess Louise of Edinburgh".

The only exception to this is a prince or princess without a peerage who is child of the monarch. They are styled "The Prince/Princess [name]". An example of this is the late Elizabeth II's younger children excluding the now King Charles III. This is because the heir apparent is always Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay as you should know.

So, this is something that is just customary. StrawWord298944 (talk) 16:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It would be Prince George of Cornwall and Cambridge, based on the precedence set by George V's children during the time between his grandmother's death and when his father finally named him Prince of Wales, but I think there is no direct source for this because it was less than 24 hours that William's children held this title and there was never any decree from the BRF that used this title, just assumption that this was their title for a edw hours before it was announced that William was Prince of Wales anyway and it didn't matter. Piratesswoop (talk) 20:02, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Incomplete sentence edit reversion
i just made an edit which was reverted. I don't know what was the issue with my edit (and don't need clarification). I do know there's an incomplete sentence there which needs fixing. There's no subject or verb. Just a mention of the Obamas and a date. Clicking through on the link footnooted at the end of the paragraph and reading THAT makes it clear it should read that's when the Obamas were met. Someone should fix that so the edit sticks. synergy (talk) 07:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I have fixed the sentence in question. However please ensure that sentences should not start like On date month year,... or like On month date, year as per WP: Proseline. Let me know if you have any further suggestions for the article and have a great day ahead. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 07:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Photograph suggestion
The one currently in use (from the Platinum Jubilee balcony appearance in 2022) is a bit dark and fuzzy. I would suggest this one from the coronation in 2023. I've tried increasing the brightness and gamma a bit to get a clearer view of his face. Sadly we don't seem to have any free shots of him in 2024 so far. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Robin S. Taylor Is it fine now? I have added the image to the infobox. Thanks for uploading it on Commons. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 12:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Now that @Tad Lincoln has reverted it I'd like to put it to a vote. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 11:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Which one do you personally prefer @Robin S. Taylor? Looking forward to your response. MSincccc (talk) 12:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I like the 2023 Trooping photo. The coronation one is nice but the raindrops on the window are a bit distracting. Piratesswoop (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I pick the 2023 Trooping photo too. It's better. RicLightning (talk) 20:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Trooping 2023 too.  Dank Jae  21:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The coronation one has the more iconic outfit and he's actually looking at the camera, but the trooping one has less distortion. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 13:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Trooping 2023 will be a fine picture, in my view. Pinging other experienced editors so that they can join in the discussion-,, , . Regards MSincccc (talk) 13:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)