Talk:Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

MOS:REPEATLINK
why do you say. I see you evoked MOS:REPEATLINK earlier. Can you point me to the specifics? Jay 💬 20:10, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Per MOS:REPEATLINK, Generally, a link should appear only once in an article. I don't see any reason why Lord Mountbatten needs to be linked again when that article is hitherto linked twice in this article already, one to Lord Louis Mountbatten and one to Lord Mountbatten, both redirects to the same article. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out the Lord Louis Mountbatten link, which I had not found earlier, as I was looking only for Lord Mountbatten. The two links are different although they lead to the same target. In MOS:REPEATLINK, "Generally" is the keyword. It does allow for first occurences in sections, and in the case under discussion, the sections the links are in are far apart any way. Jay  💬 20:24, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think it's excessive since Lord Mountbatten is a figure most people familiar with Prince Philip would be familiar with. Regardless, I've changed the link/text to Lord Mountbatten of Burma, which is how he is named by the citation provided. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Final years living with Pemny at Sandringham.
Can somebody create a section on final years living at Sandringham with Penny? 88.97.108.45 (talk) 13:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Penny who? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably Penny Knatchbull. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks. Well her own article makes no mention of Sandringham, so that might be a better place to start? Some actual sources would probably help a lot. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 15 June 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Closed early as the outcome is obvious. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

– To all British Wikipedians celebrating, happy King's Official Birthday! In the spirit of this event, per WP:CRITERIA, WP:CONSUB, and WP:CONSORTS, I am requesting that these article titles on the father of the reigning Charles III and husband of Elizabeth II be changed. All editors are encouraged to read the extended rationale before commenting. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 07:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh → Philip Mountbatten
 * List of titles and honours of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh → List of titles and honours of Philip Mountbatten
 * Death and funeral of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh → Death and funeral of Philip Mountbatten
 * Standard of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh → Standard of Philip Mountbatten

Extended rationale

 * 1) WP:RECOGNIZABILITY: A - When analyzing results from 1900 to 2019 via Google Books Ngram Viewer, it can be seen that Philip Mountbatten is more commonly used (i.e. WP:COMMONNAME) than Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh in sources for the majority of this timespan. Therefore, someone who is of Elizabeth II’s consort is more likely to recognize the title Philip Mountbatten.
 * 2) WP:NATURALNESS: The English Wikipedia articles for Philip’s wedding and the associated cakes are (already) titled Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Philip Mountbatten and Princess Elizabeth and Philip Mountbatten’s wedding cakes, respectively. Consequently,.
 * 3) WP:PRECISION: Since January 22, 2003, Philip Mountbatten has been a redirect to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. In addition, no other English Wikipedia article is titled Philip Mountbatten as of June 15, 2024. Therefore, the proposed alternative (still).
 * 4) WP:CONCISION: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh contains 32 characters and 5 words. In contrast, Philip Mountbatten only contains 18 characters and 2 words. (Counts obtained via WordCounter.net) Also, per WP:CONCISION, . Philip adopted the family name Mountbatten shortly before marrying Elizabeth because of his descent from the eponymous noble family.
 * 5) WP:CONSORTS: One of the bullet points within this guideline mentions that . Philip was a British subject prior to his marriage to Elizabeth II.
 * 6) WP:CONSISTENT: When analyzing the article titles for other deceased spouses of British monarchs, all part of a as Philip, it can be seen that most of them refer to their subjects (no pun intended) with a name that they used before marrying into British royalty:

AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 07:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Survey

 * Oppose. The proposed title is not more recognizable or natural, nor his common name. "Philip Mountbatten" is used to refer to him during the time that he wasn't a prince, which is why it is used in Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Philip Mountbatten (much as "Princess Elizabeth" is obviously not the common name for Elizabeth II, just what she was called at the time). "Prince Philip" and "Duke of Edinburgh" are both vastly more common than "Philip Mountbatten" (see Ngrams), it's just that sources don't repeatedly use the full "Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh", though they might use it on the first mention (like this article does). Prince Philip is a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to this article, so to the extent one might see a need to be more concise (though I don't), that would be a better option. SilverLocust 💬 10:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per WP:COMMONNAME. He's much better known to the wider public as Prince Philip or the Duke of Edinburgh.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 10:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose: As per previous responses, Phillip is far more known as the Duke of Edinburgh. The suggested one is not nearly as common or recogniseable. TheBritinator (talk) 11:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose per above. 162 etc. (talk) 16:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose I feel like it's snowing.--Killuminator (talk) 11:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose.That is what he was known as from 1947 until his death, and it is still unequivocally his WP:COMMONNAME. Rosbif73 (talk) 17:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as current article title is the WP:COMMONNAME. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as current article title is the WP:COMMONNAME -- fdewaele, 16 June 2024, 20:11 CET.
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME.98.228.137.44 (talk) 19:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME.--estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. He was the Duke of Edinburgh for 70+ years. Keivan.f  Talk 00:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above.  Peter Ormond &#128172;  07:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)