Talk:Prince of Transylvania

Michael the Brave
Yes, I know this is a sensitive issue. So I am seeking advice. I really do not know which article is his proper place: Voivode of Transylvania or Prince of Transylvania. I am tending to accept the first version, because in the book History of Romania: Compendium (edited by Ioan-Aurel Pop and Ioan Bolovan), as far as I can remember, he is mentioned as voivode. (For tommorrow, I will checque the page number.) Borsoka (talk) 19:50, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You are right Michael was only de facto prince. His official title was Viceroy (királyi helytartó). He was voivode of Wallachia, not of Transylvania, therefore his title. --Norden1990 (talk) 20:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * He was imperial governor http://mek.oszk.hu/03400/03407/html/118.html 2605:F700:C0:1:0:0:1DE4:1454 (talk) 20:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Radu Şerban
Why is Radu Şerban listed among the princes of Transylvania? The source cited does not substantiate this addition. Its relevant text is the following: Radu Şerban "made a successful intervention in Transylvania in 1603, at the emperor's request, against Prince Moses Székely, who died in battle near Braşov." (Andea, Susana (2005). The Romanian principalities in the 17th century, in: Pop, Ioan-Aurel; Bolovan, Ioan; History of Romania: Compendium; Romanian Cultural Institute (Center for Transylvanian Studies); ISBN 978-973-7784-12-4, page 318.). Therefore, the listing of Radu Şerban among the princes of Transylvania is original research. Borsoka (talk) 16:05, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "the Romanian lord became voivode of Transylvania for the July-September interval, in 1603" TheDacian (talk) 16:32, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Therefore this sentence is an addition in the 2006 edition (there is no similar sentence in the 2005 edition I used). However, even this source refers to him as voivode, not as prince. Consequently, he cannot be listed among the princes of Translyvania. Borsoka (talk) 16:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * So what's your proposal? TheDacian (talk) 16:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe, he could be cited among the voivodes of King Rudolph. Borsoka (talk) 16:48, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no proof that he was a Habsburg vassal TheDacian (talk) 16:50, 22 January 2013 (UTC)