Talk:Princes Park (stadium)

How is it the "single longest serving ground in the competition" when a> competition matches are no longer played there and b> is pre-dated by the MCG?


 * I have corrected this statement. However note that the MCG was built for cricket and did not initially host football because the cricket club did not allow it (football was played in a paddock adjacent to the ground) until the late 1860s when the cricket club allowed occasional matches but only after the Princes Park broke ground.  --Rulesfan (talk) 04:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)--Rulesfan (talk) 04:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Guys can we rename this to Carlton Cricket Ground, using sponsors names that change every few years strikes me as a bad practice —Preceding unsigned comment added by Australiafelix (talk • contribs) 22:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * A good idea. But a correction, it was built as a football ground - not a cricket ground, the correct name is Princes Park Football Ground.  --Rulesfan (talk) 04:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested move
Visy Park → Princes Park (stadium) — There has been a general consensus to use the non-commercialised name as the actual article name (see here, here and here) and create redirects from each sponsored name. But this one is a difficult one, as the primary non-commercial name is a disamb page. User:Shano 95 did a cut and paste duplication to Princes Park Stadium the other day, but has it ever actually been known as that title? Princes Park (stadium) uses the Kardinia Park (stadium) precedent, Princes Park Football Ground implies that that is it's full name (which I don't think it is), Princes Park (football ground) diminishes it's use as a ground for other non-football sports, hence my preference for Princes Park (stadium). — The-Pope (talk) 14:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

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Official name
I should point out that it was actually built for both Football and Cricket and while it is located in Princes park, it is officially the Carlton Recreation Ground and has been designated as such since 1896. There are numerous references in The Argus articles of the day that refer to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.30.117.97 (talk) 18:08, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ thanks for the info! The-Pope (talk) 00:30, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect
This paragraph is all wrong:

"The Carlton Football Club (CFC) had been playing in Princes Park as early as 1865.[4] In the 1880s football and cricket were played on separate grounds and as early as 1885 the Carlton Cricket Club (CCC) which played elsewhere in Princes Park fought for exclusive access to it.[5] In 1886, the CFC built its home ground, Princes Oval, specifically for football though it lacked facilies for spectators of other football club grounds.[6] In response to the construction of the football ground, the Carlton Cricket Club which had a separate oval within the park lobbied the Minister of Lands to remove the football ground from the park.[7] The cricket club, unsuccessful in seeking to access the oval, began to look elsewhere for a permanent venue and the football ground was however retained in situ.[8] However the dispute between the two clubs over occupancy of the park and the legitimacy of the football ground would continue for years.

Permissive occupancy of Princes Park was granted to CFC and CCC simultaneously in 1889.[9]"

Carlton FC played on a number of grounds around town between 1864 & 1896 without establishing a permanent home; Carlton CC played on the Triangular Ground opposite Ormond College. The two clubs colluded on obtaining a joint home ground for a number of years; the CC offered to give up their ground (which wasn't big enough to host footy) as part of the deal with the city council, which was finally agreed in 1895. This was crucial to Carlton joining the breakaway VFL for 1897. The 10 acres of Princes Park allotted to them was basically an old rubbish dump that had to be cleared to create pitches & a suitable outfield, an outer fence was constructed (to enable admission charges) and a picket fence (utilizing recycled packing crates) built around the playing arena. They used land fill from the sewerage works going on in the area to build embankments for spectators to stand on and transported the old wooden pavilion from the Triangular Ground, piece-by-piece. That was the extent of the 'construction' until 1909 when the first stage of the Gardiner stand was built.

1. The Triangular Ground was not in PP.

2. CFC didn't 'build' its home in PP in 1886, it simply played on a flat patch of the park with no means of charging admission.

3. CFC & CCC jointly developed the ground which was a council grant administered by a board with 3 appointees from each club + an independent chairman. They didn't own the real estate.

4. There was no dispute; on the contrary the 2 clubs worked harmoniously to achieve their objective as they shared many players/committeemen.

Try Lionel Frost's book for your refs. & rewrite this section please.

124.170.117.155 (talk) 21:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)