Talk:Princess Charlotte of Wales (born 2015)/Archive 2

Future Titles
It is reasonable to assume that at some stage in the future the Duke of Cambridge will become Prince of Wales. At such a point his daughter would be renamed Princess Charlotte of Wales. If Charlotte Elizabeth Diana has not acquired any other titles by that point, how will they be differentiated? Robin S. Taylor (talk) 12:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No, it's not reasonable. We don't have a crystal ball, do we. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it's unreasonable. That's typically how it's been in the British Royal Family for the last several hundred years. Should Elizabeth predecease Charles and William, then tradition says that the eldest son of the monarch gains the title Prince of Wales. Since William is Charles' eldest son, it's not really unreasonable to suppose that when QE2 passes and Charles becomes king, William will eventually become Prince of Wales. Obviously there are other factors that come into play, but barring any unforeseen circumstances, nothing that Robin S. Taylor has said seems at all unreasonable. I suppose the deceased Charlotte of Wales could always be moved to Charlotte Augusta of Wales, or birthdates could be added to differentiate. Hopefully it will be some time before this move has to be addressed though. Piratesswoop (talk) 17:34, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's an interesting topic. And I'm sure the question by Robin is perfectly reasonable. I wonder if User:DrKay has a suggestion. But I'd say it has no relevance to the content of this article, and as you say, it may be "some time" before it becomes relevant. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * When you consider that the Queen Mother lived to 101 while full of gin (and having a marriage surrounded by clouds of tobacco smoke), there should be over 11 years before this question first arises. I'm a believer in coming to the bridge before crossing it. &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 11:39, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks to REGULATION (EC) No 110/2008 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL, I think you'll find she was only above 98.7% full. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no further suggestions beyond those already made above and at Article titles. DrKay (talk) 10:00, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

1st birthday
This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, yes? Why does it refer then to a present that Charlotte received for her 1st birthday? I know all the rules of Wikipedia, etc. but I don't think we need a section called "1st birthday". Will this be a permanent part of this article? We're going to list every expensive present she receives for all of her birthdays? As of now, she has done and does absolutely nothing noteworthy other than being the great-granddaughter of the Queen, granddaughter of the Prince of Wales and being a Princess of the UK. This article should be short and sweet, not cluttered with trivial bits and pieces of nothing. 98.10.179.163 (talk) 02:32, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, 98.10.179.163. That section should probably go. Chickadee46 (talk) 16:11, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The first birthday is a magical moment. The sixteenth birthday is for passing out drunk. The hundredth birthday is a time for reflection. The rest of them don't matter. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Who cares...
Babies are born every day and why bother making a wikipedia page for a royal baby when it hasn't even done any yet?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4203:4A80:CCB0:9629:7D2F:9098 (talk) 16:47, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Not sure what she has not done but certainly she has gained a lot more publicity and media coverage then most babies born in the same day. MilborneOne (talk) 17:22, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Someone should add, that Charlotte
was at the Trooping The Colours At Buckingham Palace on June 11, 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4203:4A80:D00B:FAC:135C:143E (talk) 20:49, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Why? Mezigue (talk) 21:31, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Because this page needs more information it should at least have an autobiography — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4203:4A80:15DA:AE98:39F5:D34F (talk) 01:28, 12 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Charlotte does not have an autobiography because she probably can't speak, never mind write. And autobiographical writing is frowned upon on Wikipedia as it is generally not neutral &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 13:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Image
Some people are deleting it because they think it's a copyright violation or because they simply don't like it. I think it is the best image we can obtain of her currently. And no, it is definitely not the worst image on Wikipedia (there are of course much worse images out there).--Hipposcrashed (talk) 14:13, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you link to an image that you think is worse? I realise that there is no official objective rating-scale for image quality at Wikipedia, and so it is all purely subjective. And I'm perfectly willing to go along with consensus, if a majority of other editors think this image is worthy. I think it's utterly appalling and makes the article look like a joke. Sorry to be so blunt. I'm sure you have posted it in perfectly good faith. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * As a screen shot it is unlikely to be free to use, as she has appeared in public so a free image could exist it is unlikely to meet the requirements for the non-free use rationale. MilborneOne (talk) 16:25, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Arguments that cite the license as a reason are invalid as it has been confirmed. See license under image description.--Hipposcrashed (talk) 12:53, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * So we'd need confirmation from User:INeverCry, who made that decision? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:00, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Marked for deletion at commons you cant just make a copy from the tv and claim it as free. MilborneOne (talk) 13:03, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I should've caught that. I've put in a deletion vote at the Commons DR. Sorry for the hassle.  INeverCry   19:05, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries. I never crow. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

is anybody going to add Charlotte and George visiting Canada?
just wondering — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.174.167.150 (talk) 18:13, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Why doesn't anyone add Charlotte's first royal tour to Canada?
Her first engagement was a children's party on september 29 in BC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4280:8EE0:CDAA:AFFB:E7C1:DB2B (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Why not put a photo of her in the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.169.221 (talk) 05:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Possible White privilege
Why dont we see anybody tripping over getting pages for the tens of thousands of children of African Kings? Does this page represent the real White privilege? I LOVE YOU JACOB SARTORIUS XOXOXO (talk) 04:50, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Feel free to write some articles if there are any particular and notable children of African kings who do not have an article on Wiki.--Egghead06 (talk) 06:23, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Put something in the article anyway, if you can find a published source for this; it will be a useful reminder of what silly ideas were around at the time of her birth. Note that 'King' is a western concept involving a whole idea of consecrated monarchy going back to ancient Israel that does not really apply outside that broad cultural area. Most of the 'Kings' you mention are just tribal chiefs. But Ethiopia had an Emperor that might qualify.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.125.209 (talk) 11:24, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Well if those Africans would create a wiki page for their kings, then this wouldn't even be a problem. MicronesianHelper2016 (talk) 06:17, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

I liked the writer's knowledge!! Ureedha18 (talk) 10:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Name Charlotte
Has nothing been reliably published about the choice of her name Charlotte? I find nothing in the article, but I do miss things at times. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:10, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

British succession or not.
There's a discussion at Charles, Prince of Wales, relating to this article's intro. GoodDay (talk) 03:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

First to Remain in Succession Ahead of (Possible) Younger Brother
Should the third royal babby be a male, Charlotte would (from my understanding) be the first female child to be in line of succession ahead of a living younger male brother. LNucleus (talk) 16:10, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There are two others listed at Succession to the British throne nos. 29 and 32. Celia Homeford (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * She wouldn't be the first female. She would be the first princess. Surtsicna (talk) 16:45, 5 September 2017

Princesses are female. Look it up. 213.205.251.63 (talk) 00:16, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Not all females are princesses. Surtsicna (talk) 00:28, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * A person's status as a minor or their age doesn't affect their position in the line of succession. Nor does title.  But it is true that Charlotte's position in the succession will not be altered by the birth of any younger brothers.  It is also true that everyone before her in the line of succession are all men or her older brother. Acjelen (talk) 14:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Mountbatten-Windsor
Even in the article it is clearly stated “members of the Royal Family who are entitled to the style and dignity of HRH Prince or Princess do not need a surname” Why you are rewriting history and even adding Princess Anne’s article to Mountbatten-Windsor surname which they never use. She married two times. How Princess Charlotte’s full name can be that much different than her birth certificate? You can’t change her full name like that. Please look at her birth certificate for full name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berfu (talk • contribs) 18:05, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Also I checked other royal biographies such as royals from Denmark, Sweden or Monaco. Under full_name, only their names are listed, no surnames or even their birth titles. But If there is need I’m sure full names and titles in birth certificates should be used, not surnames they never used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berfu (talk • contribs) 20:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Picture of her?
Just wondering... why is there no picture of Charlotte, exactly? Prince George gets one. Princess Charlotte is fourth in line, a princess and the daughter of a future King. I'm never sure about the guidelines around pictures on Wikipedia articles, but why exactly is there no picture for Charlotte? There have been plenty released over the years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.99.126.230 (talk) 05:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * We can only use uncopyrighted pictures and we haven't found any. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:47, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

I updated the picture and I mentioned the writer of the article I found it in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffreygillespie (talk • contribs)
 * Images must comply with Image use policy. DrKay (talk) 12:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi protection request July 2, 2021
This article has persistent vandalism and disruptive editing. Ethan2345678 (talk) 02:11, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Notability
I do not believe this article meets the standards for notability. Most of the stories about her relate to the fact 'her parents have had a child' or mention her in passing as someone who attended an event along with her parents etc. As per WP:InvalidBio, "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A);". The fact she is X in line to the throne is not mentioned as an exception to this.

The fact that her parents have tried to shield her from media attention does factor in my motivation for posing this, as I think the fact she's not an intentionally public person does make a difference.

For reference, I think this test of notability should apply to all children in the royal line of succession, I think it's a very fine balanced thing but there is just about enough about Prince George himself and his 'official appearances' (He's been around longer etc.  and his position as the heir to the throne does give him more attention in sources).

I do not believe that the sources show significant coverage of Charlotte as an individual, above gossip about her clothes and net worth very few articles are really about her. Thoughts? JeffUK (talk) 17:53, 9 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The 2014 deletion discussion decided she was notable. Not sure notability can be lost but if you disagree you are welcome to start a new deletion discussion. MilborneOne (talk) 19:03, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Princess Charlotte’s mother
Princess Charlotte’s mother is Catherine Duchess of Cambridge. She has not been Catherine Middleton since she married Prince William. 47.185.14.145 (talk) 00:21, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Line of succession has to be updated
The line of succession needs to be edited to account for the death of the Queen and the beginning of the reign of King Charles. Computerz4 (talk) 18:00, 8 September 2022 (UTC) Nevermind I realized it was only semi-protected and I could edit it -Computerz4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Computerz4 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 8 September 2022 (UTC) Main line has been updated, need the bottom line in the brackets to show succession to be updated as well. Currently her brothers and father have been updated. --96.81.143.81 (talk) - Scratch that done as I was typing - 96.81.143.81 (talk)

of Wales?
This title has not been granted to Princess Charlotte so surely, she is not "of Wales" Yikmo21 (talk) 18:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


 * If she does not have a title of her own, she is entitled to the courtesy title derived from that of her father. She was "of Cambridge" because her father was Duke of Cambridge, now she is "of Wales" because her father is Prince of Wales. (And she for a few hours she was "of Cornwall and Cambridge for the same reason). Sira Aspera (talk) 19:08, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022
Father's title change confirmed during Charles III's address to the UK and Commonwealth. 2601:3C1:C300:3950:ECF7:16FD:15B8:DAE0 (talk) 17:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Not clear what change you are asking for, and the page isn't protected so you should be able to edit it yourself. RudolfRed (talk) 20:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2022
Change mother's name from Catherine Middleton to Catherine, Princess of Wales. Princess Sparkle The First (talk) 02:41, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Discussed before and rejected. DrKay (talk) 07:11, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Distinguish from the former Princess Charlotte
We should probably add a notice at the top so people are not be confused with the infamous daughter of King George IV. Snadbox (talk) 20:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think "born 2015" does a good job preventing any confusion. Surtsicna (talk) 20:46, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2022
Can you please add THIS to the page in the "Upbringing" section? It is listed on the George and Louis pages, but not this one. Can you please add what I said ("The next day, Charlotte's parents were made the Prince and Princess of Wales giving her the new title of "Princess Charlotte of Wales". ")? Please. 47.33.215.49 (talk) 02:08, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Polyamorph (talk) 12:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 25 February 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Apparently, the young Princess is not the primary topic as I misread the Wikinav results. I would suggest that this be re-proposed in the future should that change. Estar8806 (talk) 16:51, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

– The living Princess Charlotte is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and the vast majority of traffic from the Princess Charlotte of Wales page goes to her as shown by this Wikinav. The present Princess Charlotte also wins in raw page views. Estar8806 (talk) 04:04, 25 February 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Princess Charlotte of Wales (born 2015) → Princess Charlotte of Wales
 * Princess Charlotte of Wales → Princess Charlotte of Wales (disambiguation)
 * Oppose. When I go to the Wikinav page, I see two-thirds of visitors going to the elder one, with a third going to the younger one. DrKay (talk) 08:30, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

RfC on Charles III
There is an RfC on Talk:Charles III which may relate to this article. Feel free to contribute. Estar8806 (talk) 03:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)