Talk:Princess Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland/Archive 1

Duchess
When did Princess Madeleine receive her ducal titles? Did she receive them at birth as other Swedish dukes, or at some other point like her sister? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.24.148.208 (talk) 18:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

She received them at birth.

video
How do I post a link to a video from www.svt.se site? http://svtplay.se/v/1371409/oppet_arkiv/prinsessan_madeleine_fods?sb,k103034,2,f,103041 Its about Madeleines name And were does it belong in this biography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LollofromSweden (talk • contribs) 12:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Party girl
Why there isn't even mentioned that she was wild party girl in her teen and was often parodied/ reported in Swedish media about it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.31.31 (talk) 18:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly because just about all of that was more rumor than fact? More tabloid populism than serious reporting? Possibly because there are no reliable sources? SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Coat of Arms
I've constructed a free version of her coat of arms which can be included in the article in a suitable place. /Lokal_Profil 02:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Name
According to the Royal Court of Sweden the princess' name is spelled Madeleine Thérèse Amelie Josephine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgtw (talk • contribs) 08:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Cleavage
As a Swede, I take offense at the lack of pictures of the princess showing off her cleavage. On quite a few occasions, she has dressed in a manner obivously intended to display her bosom, and I think it deserves mention in this article. After all, the internet is for porn. 95.209.112.255 (talk) 16:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Though the comments above are rather ridiculous, bordering on insulting, many people (primarily men) have been quite excited about the extraordinary good looks and sex appeal of this princess. Recently, however, there has been more criticism of her looks and negative comments that a considerable consumption of alcoholic beverages in her alleged party life style has shown up in her face. Nevertheless, it is widely felt that her youthful good looks noticeably are not fully as ravishing today as they were before. SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * As a woman, I must say, that this is not a big issue. I do not feel it would be wrong at all to have an image of her in cleavage: only a puritan would feel this would be insulting to her. However, on the other hand, I do not think that her appearance is in any way a big issue. An article of a man does not give so much room for such oppinions as does articles of women. She is not a model or an actor, were her looks are important and relevant. On one Nobel prize dinner, she wore a dress with a deep cleavage which was given a lot of attention : this can be relevant to write about, because the reason to the attention was that it was unusual for a princess to wear such a dress. That is a situation, were information about her looks can be relevant to mention. --85.226.47.130 (talk) 14:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the Swedish Monarchy is only decorative now. So, it is much about how they look. СЛУЖБА (talk) 20:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, and if her brother Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland were to wear speedo trunks at the beach showing off a lot of rear end cleavage, many women and some men could/would/should complain about the absence of of a photo of that. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Succession Questions
Just to explain the context of the discussion, Princess Madeleine's future child, either male or female, will be in the line of succession to the Swedish throne under the amended article 1 of the Swedish Act of Succession being a legitimate descendant of King Carl XVI Gustaf. Article 4 of the said act also says, however, that "any member of the Royal family" not professing the Lutheran faith "shall be excluded from all rights of succession" and that "princes and princesses of the Royal House shall be brought up" in the Lutheran faith and within the realm of Sweden. Although there is no clear legal definition of who qualifies as a "member of the Royal Family" or as a "prince/princess of the Royal House", I assume Princess Madeleine's child falls under that category (as apparently confirmed by the Royal House itself) and, therefore, Art.4 will apply to him/her when he/she is born. Given that Mr. O'Neill is, however, Catholic, and that the O'Neill couple currently lives in New York and doesn't plan to move to Sweden, should we assume Princess Madeleine's child might conceivably lose his/her succession rights ?161.24.19.112 (talk) 19:52, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Astute observation, except that the "ambiguity" is potential, not real, and therefore addressing it in this article would be speculative. The King has forestalled the issue becoming a real constitutional conundrum by announcing prior to his younger daughter's delivery that the grandchild will enjoy a royal title. Madeleine's baby, it has been declared, will be a prince or princess of Sweden, and therefore fully subject to all the legal restrictions on dynasts, i.e., must marry with the Sovereign's prior consent, must be "of pure evangelical faith" (Swedish Lutheran), must be raised in Sweden, etc. While I agree that making all descendants of every monarch princes and princesses ad infinitum would be overkill, that is the reductio ad absurdum their subjects have set the Bernadottes by broadening male to absolute primogeniture in succession to the crown: That principle will greatly expand royal families just as their governments (and critics) are bent on shrinking them. Let us hope they don't resolve it by adopting such labyrinthine and ever-changing formulae for titulature and succession rights as the Netherlands has resorted to for the poor Orange-Nassau progeny! Meanwhile, until the Swedes do restrict the royal princely title somehow, I don't see any doubt about the applicability of the laws' intrusive restrictions to an ever-widening pool of Carl XVI Gustaf's descendants -- nowadays, it's hard out here for a Prince! LOL.  FactStraight (talk) 04:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Article name and ducal title
I am posting this here because this royal, in particular, gets a lot of media attention but she isn't the only one I have noticed here on Wikipedia where we are using a ducal title yet totally omitting her princely territorial designation in the article title. I think where a prince or princess has a noble substantive title that is not in common use it should not be used in the article title. For instance, on the Swedish Royal Family's website, Madeline is listed at the side as H. R. H. Princess Madeleine not as "H. R. H. the Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland". Can we organize a proper discussion here or elsewhere to discuss the matter? Seven Letters 18:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Succession boxes
If there is no succession to illustrate, there is no need for a succession box. See Prince Andrew, Duke of York, Infanta Cristina, Duchess of Palma de Mallorca, Anne Boleyn, etc. The matter is straightforward and not disputed by anyone. Surtsicna (talk) 23:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Titles
Is there an explanation for why she's the duchess of two regions? Or is this just a choice made by the king?--Hipposcrashed (talk) 05:29, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The latter, yes. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The combination is not just a random choice. Today, the historical provinces of Gästrikland and Hälsingland are joined in the administrative county (län) Gävleborg County. PikeWake (talk) 15:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You're right. In other words, this complicated (as in long and cumbersome), unprecedented (first time more than one since the 17th century) and odd (never before these areas) choice for her title(s), which flabbergasted so many, was not as odd as it would have been if the two provinces had not been neighbors. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:52, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

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