Talk:Principality of Lippe

Bernard IV
How could Bernard IV be Lord of Lippe from 1285 through 1275? Valerian456 Hush,  Rush 09:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a typo. It should be 1265-1275.  In 1265, Bernard III died and his sons Herman III and Bernard IV started fighting over control of Lippe.  After a while, they decided to compromise and each ruled half the county.  In 1273 Herman III died without heir. This allowed Bernard IV to reunite Lippe and rule all of it. (Source: de:Hermann_III._(Lippe))  HansM (talk) 14:33, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Reorganisation of the "Lippe" articles
I propose to
 * move the article "Lippe" about the district of Lippe to "Lippe (district)",
 * move the article "Principality of Lippe" to "Lippe", to be generally about the state of Lippe,
 * merge the article "Free state of Lippe" into said article "Lippe".

Currently there is no article about the state of Lippe, but two about two different historic periods of it, one of those being a stub. There should be one article about the state as such, and I don't see enough content to have main articles about historic periods.

Furthermore the article with simply "Lippe" should be about the state, not the district. --Caballito (talk) 14:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Why Prussia?
Why is this article in scope for the WikiProject Prussia? Lippe was never annexed by Prussia; it remained a separately administered entity until both Lippe and Prussia were formally dissolved in 1947. HansM (talk) 14:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Bernard VII longest reigning Monarch in European History
According to WikiPedia's main page documenting the length of reign of various Monarch's Lippe's Bernard VII would be the longest reigning of all European Monarchs with the other longer ones being elsewhere. Would this be worthy of a mention on the Lippe page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.118.178 (talk) 06:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

EB1911
The content of the Lippe article has not yet been published on Wikisource. So here is the full text of the history section with OCR errors etc. taken from djvu text of volume 16 (8 megs) on archive.org (It can also be found on: www.studylight.org: Lippe, Germany (State)). The text can be used to improve this article and check some facts in the trees.

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History.

The present principality of Lippe was inhabited in early times by the Cherusii, whose leader Arminius (Hermann) annihilated in A.D. 9 the legions of Varus in the Teutoburger Wald. It was afterwards occupied by the Saxons and was subdued by Charlemagne. The founder of the present reigning family, one of the most ancient in Germany, was Bernard I. (1113-1144), who received a grant of the territory from the emperor Lothair, and assumed the title of lord of Lippe (edler Herr von Lippe). He was descended from a certain Hoold who flourished about 950. Bernard's successors inherited or obtained several counties, and one of them, Simon III. (d. 1410), intro- duced the principles of primogeniture. Under Simon V. (d. 1536), who was the first to style himself count, the Reformation was introduced into the country. His grandson, Simon VI. (1555- 1613), is the ancestor of both lines of the princes of Lippe. In 1613 the country, as it then existed, was divided among his three sons, the lines founded by two of whom still exist, while the third (Brake) became extinct in 1709. Lippe proper was the patrimony of the eldest son, Simon VII. (1587-1627), upon whose descendant Frederick William Leopold (d. 1802) the title of jprince of the empire was bestowed in 1789, a dignity already conferred, though not confirmed, in 1720. Philip, the youngest son of Simon VI., received but a scanty part of his father's possessions, but in 1640 he inherited a large part of the count- ship of Schaumburg, including Biickeburg, and adopted the title of count of Schaumburg-Lippe. The ruler of this territory became a sovereign prince in 1807. Simon VII. had a younger son, Jobst Hermann (d. 1678), who founded the line of counts of Lippe-Biesterfeld, and a cadet branch of this family were the counts of Lippe- Weissenfeld. In 1762 these two counties Biesterfeld and Weissenfeld passed by arrangement into the possession of the senior and ruling branch of the family. Under the prudent government of the princess Pauline (from 1802 to 1820), widow of Frederick William Leopold, the little state enjoyed great prosperity. In 1807 it joined the Confederation of the Rhine and in 1813 the German Confederation. Pauline's son, Paul Alexander Leopold, who reigned from 1820 to 1851, also ruled in a wise and liberal spirit, and in 1836 granted the charter of rights upon which the constitution is based. In 1842 Lippe entered the German Customs Union (Zollverein), and in 1866 threw in its lot with Prussia and joined the North German Confederation.

The line of rulers in Lippe dates back, as already mentioned, to Simon VI. But besides this, the senior line, the two collateral lines of counts, Lippe-Biesterfeld and Lippe- Weissen- feld and the princely line of Schaumburg-Lippe, also trace their descent to the same ancestor, and these dispute. three lines stand in the above order as regards their rights to the Lippe succession, the counts being descended from Simon's eldest son and the princes from his youngest son. These facts were not in dispute when in March 1895 the death of Prince Woldemar, who had reigned since 1875, raised a dispute as to the succession. Woldemar's brother Alexander, the last of the senior line, was hopelessly insane and had been declared incapable of ruling. On the death of Woldemar, Prince Adolph of Schaumburg-Lippe, fourth son of Prince Adolph George of that country and brother-in-law of the German emperor, took over the regency by virtue of a decree issued by Prince Woldemar, but which had until the latter's death been kept secret. The Lippe house of representatives consequently passed a special law confirming the regency in the person of Prince Adolph, but with the proviso that the regency should be at an end as soon as the disputes touching the succession were adjusted; and with a further proviso that, should this dispute not have been settled before the death of Prince Alexander, then, if a competent court of law had been secured before that event happened, the regency of Prince Adolph should continue until such court had given its decision. The dispute in question had arisen because the heads of the two collateral countly lines had

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entered a caveat. In order to adjust matters the Lippe govern- ment moved the Bundesrat, on the 5th of July 1895, to pass an imperial law declaring the Reichsgericht (the supreme tribunal of the empire) a competent court to adjudicate upon the claims of the rival lines to the succession. In consequence the Bundesrat passed a resolution on the ist of February 1896, requesting the chancellor of the empire to bring about a compromise for the appointment of a court of arbitration between the parties. Owing to the mediation of the chancellor a compact was on the 3rd of July 1896 concluded between the heads of the three collateral lines of the whole house of Lippe, binding " both on themselves and on the lines of which they were the heads." By clause 2 of this compact, a court of arbitration was to be appointed, consisting of the king of Saxony and six members selected by him from among the members of the supreme court of law of the empire. This court was duly constituted, and on the 22nd of June 1897 delivered judgment to the effect that Count Ernest of Lippe-Biesterfeld, head of the line of Lippe- Biesterfeld, was entitled to succeed to the throne of Lippe on the death of Prince Alexander. In consequence of this judgment Prince Adolph resigned the regency and Count Ernest became regent in his stead. On the 26th of September 1904 Count Ernest died and his eldest son, Count Leopold, succeeded to the regency; but the question of the succession was again raised by the prince of Schaumburg-Lippe, who urged that the marriage of Count William Ernest, father of Count Ernest, with Modeste von Unruh, and that of the count regent Ernest himself with Countess Carline von Wartensleben were not ebenburlig (equal birth), and that the issue of these marriages were therefore excluded from the succession. Prince George of Schaumburg-Lippe and the count regent, Leopold, thereupon entered into a compact, again referring the matter to the Bundesrat, which requested the chancellor of the empire to agree to the appointment of a court of arbitration consisting of two civil senates of the supreme court, sitting at Leipzig, to decide finally the matter in dispute. It was further provided in the compact that Leopold should remain as regent, even after the death of Alexander, until the decision of the court had been given. Prince Alexander died on the I3th of January 1905; Count Leopold remained as regent, and on the 25th of October the court of arbitration issued its award, declaring the marriages in question (which were, as proved by document, contracted with the consent of the head of the house in each case) ebenbiirtig, and that in pursuance of the award of the king of Saxony the family of Lippe-Biesterfeld, together with the collateral lines sprung from Count William Ernest (father of the regent, Count Ernest) were in the order of nearest agnates called to the succession. Leopold (b. 1871) thus became prince of Lippe.

-- PBS (talk) 11:16, 27 November 2016 (UTC)