Talk:Prior to the Fire

Singles & Music Videos
I removed this section so that it'd match more closely with a featured album article. If/when "Lady Killer" gets its own article, I suppose we can use it again, or at least put it back in this one once it's clear that's not gonna happen.  LazyBastard Guy  19:10, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

What's missing now
Right now, there are only two things missing from this article that I can see: 1) sales figures, and 2) a citation confirming that Vince Nudo sang lead vocals on "Lunar" (which is proving much harder to find than one might expect). If/when I at least get the latter cleared-up, I might submit the article for a B-class assessment.  LazyBastard Guy  01:28, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Screw that, it's taking too long. I worked so hard on this, I'm going straight for the throat - a GA review.  LazyBastard Guy  05:30, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope you will be more patient with the GA-review process than you were with your album assessment request. Note that there are albums within the queue that have been nominated for GA status since April, and there is no priority to what gets reviewed - just an individual editor who is willing to take the time to perform the task. Good luck. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:11, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am aware of that, and this time I am prepared for it. It's just that while I was waiting for my B-class assessment request to go through, other pages were getting listed and removed (as assessed) within 24 hours, even if they were listed after mine; one poor guy has been sitting there for a few weeks now waiting more patiently than I did trying to get his submission assessed, and that article is nowhere near as in-depth as this one! It just didn't seem like that tall an order to me and I got fed-up with waiting for something to happen, regardless of the outcome. Whereas here, I've looked at the time stamps for the oldest GA reviews, particularly for the albums section, and I went, "I'm prepared to wait that long. If anything, it gives me time to fix the article up as necessary." There's actually a good reason for why GA assessments take so long, so I'm not angry about that at all. I also won't be upset if the nomination fails either; I just want some idea of what I'm doing, though of course I would prefer it if the article passed. I've never had anyone give me any kind of feedback from this page so I have no idea if what I'm doing with it is right or wrong, and this is a surefire way to find out. Eventually.


 * On a related note, the band article (Priestess) got assessed and I actually got some feedback in a rather-timely manner, which I was quite pleased with. It just annoys me when things could be moving faster and no good reason is given for why they're not, kind of like if you've seen Office Space and Peter's on his way to work in the beginning of the movie, and he keeps changing lanes but every time he does that lane grinds to a halt and every other lane, including the one he just left, is suddenly moving again. It's annoying to have to go through that.


 * Whew - with that out of my system, I'm going to mark this article as maintained by me. I'll be keeping a close eye on it from here on out. Can't imagine I'll ever stop. And thanks for the good luck - I'm gonna need it.  LazyBastard Guy  08:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * By the way, I'm not angry or upset with anyone or over anything. I was just a little peeved at the state of affairs, but I'm over it now.  LazyBastard Guy  08:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Flow issues?
"The success of the group's first album apparently had the side effect of making RCA Records, their former label outside their native Canada (which released the album in all other territories starting in 2006), expectant of the group to make another such accomplishment. While the band spent roughly two and a half years performing concerts on behalf of Hello Master, supporting such acts as Dinosaur Jr., the Sword, Mastodon and Megadeth, they concentrated mostly on the existing material and had little chance to write anything new."

There is just something so wrong with having it written this way. But I like it too much as it is, and I honestly can't think of a better way. Read this bit in context (that is, with all the text surrounding it) and please tell me I'm overreacting.  LazyBastard Guy  05:50, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

This bit I removed
I put this in but got rid of it because I think it's quite contradictory to what all the other sources are saying:


 * "Similarily, the added complexity was attributed to a natural evolution in sound for the band, a natural consequence of combining their influences, not an intentional desire to be different from before."

I might restore it if/when I find a way to reconcile the apparent contradiction.  Lazy Bastard  Guy  00:08, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's pretty much done now
Having gone through all the sources I found, I think this article is pretty much finished. My only concern now is that it's too long and detailed; some of it may have to get cut for GA or even FA (and the latter seems like it won't happen without a picture or two in addition to the album cover). I'm also miffed that the bit about Dan Watchorn commenting on the recent economic recession being the reason labels should only keep the surefire selling artists had to get cut; I cut it because that article I got it from went offline a long time ago, and even the Wayback Machine doesn't seem to have a copy. My own copy I downloaded onto a PDF somehow cut a bunch of stuff out,. Pretty peeved about that, but there's not much I can do about it. I'll just keep an eye out for a suitable replacement. In the meantime, aside from some minor copyediting perhaps, I feel I've done all I can do for this article, at least until a new source or two shows-up. Cheers.  Lazy Bastard  Guy  05:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Stuff that remains unverified
Here's some stuff that would be in the article if I could find a better source than what I've found for them so far (e.g. a YouTube interview with Mikey himself) or could translate from French.


 * "Murphy's Law" features lines taken directly from the movie on which it is based.
 * "Castle Dracula" and "Dweller" were also the downloadable bonus tracks for any edition of the album released on Tee Pee Records, including the CD edition.
 * The single accompanying the vinyl edition was the first of the planned outtake single releases. 16:57, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The band actually recorded 1 songs for the album, not just fourteen.
 * "Dweller" is the one based on the seminal TV drama Twin Peaks, and lines in the song are even taken directly from the show, such as part of the second verse which came from the episode "Checkmate". (A Canadian article written in French identified a song called "Dweller on a Threshold" that was written for the album about the show. Since "Dweller" contains many lyrical references to the show, even lines lifted directly from it, we can conclude that "Dweller" is the song previously identified as "Dweller on a Threshold". 16:57, 13 February 2014 (UTC))
 * Any sales certifications or chart placings for the album would also look great if we can find them. 02:25, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That's just for future reference, some stuff that would make this article even better once we can substantiate these claims. I will keep an eye out and throw in stuff as needed, and may update this list as necessary.  Lazy Bastard  Guy  19:58, 26 August 2013 (UTC)