Talk:Pritam

unfair deletion
I dont know what people like shovon76 have achieved by constantly fighting off plagiarism section in this article. Most people who listen to hindi music know that Pritam has plagiarized most of his songs and nearly all of his hits. His fans know that also and love him regardless of that. Only thing these people have achieved is they have denied the occasional person who is unfamiliar with hindi movie music from his right to access information. As for reliable sources, google "Pritam Plagirism" and you get a number of good hits. For example See http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/458140/20130417/ranbir-kapoor-badtameez-dil-deepika-padukone-plagiarism.htm. Tell me International Business Times is an unreliable source. You can do this for most of his hit songs(i.e google them and hit the jackpot straightaway). Now I am not logging in and restoring that plagiarism section again because I dont care. To me, he is another unworthy person enjoying his few minutes of fame like so many others worth not mentioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.196.80.8 (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

My contribution of Plagiarism section was deleted in spite It had Reliable sources from leading newspapers (This section had more citation than rest of the article). 11:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosswante (talk • contribs)

I edited the plagiarism section, including a table, showing the songs that he has been ACCUSED of plagiarising. I clearly mention the word accused. I also provided valid references. Yet my post was deleted and called vandalism by user shovon76. Why are there such custodians of wikipedia articles? Following this logic, I should also delete the statement "he has delivered a number of popular hits". I can change it to "he has been reported to deliver a number of popular hits". It is an opinion, after all. They may be unpopular in someone's eye. Somebody look at my edit in the history and comment why shovon76 deleted my edit.

There is a song Oh Meri Jaan composed by Pritam from the movie Life in a Metro. The opening music in this song is amazingly similar to the opening guitar in the song Silent Lucidity By Queensryche

the music of rab ne bana di jodi is not by pritam.
 * Hi, whosoever you are, please sign your comments by typing four tildas ( ~ ). That way, it becomes easy for us also to know who exactly is saying what. After your edits, the plagiarism section, showed a distinct bias against the subject of the article. In Wikipedia, we always write (or try to write) from a totally "neutral point of view" (NPOV). For starters, I don't listen to much of new genre of Hindi film songs. I would rather stick to Rafi, Manna & Kishore. But the matter of fact is, why it is such a hotbed of activity against plagiarism in this article only? Why not Anu Malik, arguably the king of plagiarism in Bollywood, who had the audacity of converting the theme of Godfather to "Raja ko raani se pyar ho gaya"? Or Nadeem-Shravan, whose every single hit is borrowed from Pakistan? Or Bappi Lahiri? Or Anand-Milind and company? Or A. R. Rahman? If all these articles follow a definite style, then we have to follow that style over here too. Also, itwofs.com, it seems, going by the ethnicity of the owner, totally biased against Pritam. So, when Rahman lifts a tune, its merely, "the beats are same, tune is original". But in case of Pritam, "its a pretty neat job of copying" or "Pritam takes plagiarism to another level". I am changing the intro section, in line with the other articles and I believe that if it is reverted back to the present form, then the other articles also needs to be in the same format. Thanks. Shovon (talk) 17:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. Reliable sources

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/64170/plagiarism-common-chord-that-strings-pritams-music.html

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pritam-ripped-off-my-song-anu-malik/150282-8-66.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Bollywood/Bollywood-music-Inspiration-on-loop/Article1-1089193.aspx

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/458140/20130417/ranbir-kapoor-badtameez-dil-deepika-padukone-plagiarism.htm

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-03-20/news-and-interviews/31214416_1_song-plagiarism-direct-copy Iqbalbaig.iitm (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

dhol
dhol is not releasing on june 1st. also the link should go to Dhol (2007 film) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsrikanth05 (talk • contribs) 05:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Life in a metro
has anyone been able to establish the original songs for Life in a Metro soundtrack? Given his track record I doubt if they are original? -- all the songs in Life In a Metro are original, there simply is no song which sounds even vaguely similar to them. --09:37, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

table
who put the table back, it was removed for a reason. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarism
The song 'Pheli Nazar Mein....O janeza' is a clear and stupid copy of Kim Hyung Sup - Sarang Haeyo. Just google it and check the music. You'd be blind not to notice it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AIndoria (talk • contribs) 14:06, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Why the plagiarism section was removed ..? -- ShahabJafri (talk) 20:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The songs Bheegi Bheegi and Jaane Kyun Tanha Ho Gaye are appropritely credited. Also, Pritam bought their rights to use them. These can't be considered as copy. Also, Judai (Jannat) has been appropriately credited to 82'Rocker, who are using the song as their own composition. So, plagiarism issues don't apply on Pritam but on 82'Rocker. Also, the Kilogram Mix is done by DJ K & G, and not Pritam.61.246.161.198 (talk) 06:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

The plagiarism section is removed because it is unsourced (and a blog doesn't count as a source), unsourced material on articles about living figures WILL be removed on sight. --87.112.70.168 (talk) 12:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Chk these vids:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuGm_7sWdA

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p_7eKlr15o

Part 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpl5146AAyU

Clearly he's plagiarized more than "bheegi bheegi" and "jaane Kyun Tanha ho gaya". I'm an India, but it is despicable to see such shameless behaviour being condoned by our movie industry. It'd be great if some of the more knowledgeable editors reinstates the plagiarism section as this is a widely known fact, and I have several articles which are unfortunately in the print media and perhaps cannot be used as sources. It is a well known fact that Ya ali was copied from Yah Ghaali and the composer was not credited. Infact she has expressed displeasure according to a TOI article. 122.167.20.226 (talk) 17:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * we do not accept Youtube as a reliable source - if you have sources that are in the print media, could you list them and we could try and track down copies. --87.112.70.168 (talk) 17:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

WE dont accept you tube as a source..??!!! You are saying the way as if you own Wikipedia and also you are not logged in with your account, login and make edits and then decide what is a reliable source and what is not..and if videos are not reliable source then what can be more reliable then that.. This sounds funny because print media has been accused of false info before.. --Shekhartagra (talk) 13:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I understand that. I just wanted to illustrate the point that there is indeed something to the plagiarism issue. I will try to dig up the articles for you. I was mostly, in Time of India, I think in the Bangalore supplement section. I'll get back to you.


 * Please see CNN-IBN http://ibnlive.com/videos/64170/plagiarism-common-chord-that-strings-pritams-music.html

This is a reliable source, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.230.246 (talk) 07:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * 122.167.20.226 (talk) 17:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

But even you know the truth???What can be more reliable than your own eyes and ears??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.129.76 (talk) 17:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't know the truth. I've never heard of this person, and I haven't looked at any of the links. I don't plan to either. Original research can't be used anywhere, and it certainly can't be used to verify contentious information in the biography of a living person. --Onorem♠Dil 17:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

add a plagiarism/controveries section - And CNN IBN is definitely a reliable news source. 59.180.90.194 (talk) 14:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

That was removed. We don't need it back. And some guy is gong vandalising all Indian music directors articles. Comment on talk page. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 07:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I removed the sectionagain, as it was totally unwanted, and did not look nice. If you don't like Pritam, don't. If you want to add t, then make it look nice, if it pops up in the same manner again, with a totally unorganised array of links, I'm deleting it again. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Tone of the article
Everybody is free to like or dislike another person. But when an article is written on Wiki, the tone should be neutral. I do not understand why this article starts with - "He is infamous for his alleged plagiarism, wherein he has copied the music for a number of his popular Hindi film songs from various artists from around the world (especially Asia), without giving credit to the original artists themselves [1][2][3]". Definitely this para should be removed from the "Introduction" section. Also, I doubt whether sites/blogs such as plagiarismarchive.com can be used as Reliable Source, although they actually establish the case. Shovon (talk) 12:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * On checking the links, I can say that Indiafm is NOT RS (which is the cite note 2). IBNlive(used as cite note 1) and ToI (used as cite note 3), both are RS, but ToI does not say anything about Pritam being a copycat and merely points out that the song in Bhram has been duely credited to Gautam Chatterjee. Indiafm merely sensationalizes the same news story giving very little coverage to the actual facts. So, based only on one RS (IBNLive) we cannot include an opening para like this. Shovon (talk) 12:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've rewritten the leading paragraph and made a separate section to deal with plagiarism. See how it looks.
 * Can you tell me why India FM is not a legitimate source? It has it's own article on Wikipedia (IndiaFM) so it can't be as trashy as you make it out to be.
 * Also, ToI does not, by itself, report that the song has been "duly credited" to whoever. It quotes Pritam saying that he was going to credit the original composer and blah blah. It also clearly says in the beginning that Pritam finds himself entangled again and this time he's accused of having lifted etc. etc. which denotes that this fellow has gotten his hands dirty earlier too.
 * Even if we dismiss IndiaFM and ToI, why should the remaining good source (IBNLive) not be good enough for writing atleast a line about his thievery? —Preceding unsigned comment added by FZR2000 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you see the articles on Anu Malik, Bappi Lahiri, Nadeem-Shravan, Jatin Lalit, Deva (music director), Rajesh Roshan etc., you will find that the plagiarism is dealt in a seperate section towards the bottom of the article. Keeping that in mind, I believe, Pritam's article should also follow a similar pattern. Having said that FZR2000's rewriting is quite good, although according to me, the plagiarism issue is better not to be mentioned in the Intro section. Shovon (talk) 08:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Shovon76. Let us wait for more opinions on whether the line should be present in the beginning or not. I'm not against the the line being present in the intro, since his plagiarism is prolific, easily verifiable and finds quite a few mentions in the media. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FZR2000 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Not again
This is the last time it happens. One more time that the plagarism section appears without any proper references, then I'll request for semi=protection. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * "Without any proper references?" Did you bother to check sources like IBN-Live that support the plagiarism section?
 * Also, www.itwofs.com, though a self-published site (not all self-published sites are blogs, by the way), seems to have been featured in several mainstream sources (see http://www.itwofs.com/itwofs.html) and it shouldn't be a problem to put it in the external links section. Besides, the article doesn't directly quote from the site or endorse it, but merely points the reader towards further information in support of what the mainstream sources say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FZR2000 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

ITWOFS may be featured on may sites, but it IS, WAS AND WILL ALWAYS remain a blog and does not count as a source? Do we really need a table listing the songs and the original? Can't the section just be generalised. Ya, he copies, and that is it. Period. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, stop yelling. Can't understand why you're getting all worked up and taking this so personally.
 * I never said itwofs.com should be used as a source for supporting statements written in the article. I said that I don't have a problem with it in the external links section, only for information. There's a difference. I don't know who added the table, but seems that it has been removed now alongwith the link. I think the section is "generalized" enough now for your taste, so let's move on. - FZR2000 (talk) 05:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Anu Malik's article clearly mentions the songs he's been accused of plagiarising
@Shovon76 Anu Malik's wikipedia article clearly mentions the songs he's been accused of plagiarising, including the Godfather theme. I don't understand why you're going after the ethnicity and all. That's not a good thing to do. And i beleive that in Pritam's case, the hype is much more because most of his work seems to be plagiarised, and while those numbers are so catchy and popular, one feels bad for the people who made those catchy tunes themselves and got no credit to it. while Anu Malik quit doing this a while ago. What I want to say is that you may remove the plagiarism mention from the introduction, but at least let my edit in the plagiarism section remain. How does it show a bias? Anu malik's page lists the songs he's been accused of plagiarising. Why do you want to protect Pritam this way by hiding references to the songs he has supposedly plagiarised? I can bring up the ethnicity issue, too, but that's not a good thing to do. Pfonilonitappa (talk) 18:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, you got my point totally wrong and skirted a bit of it. The point I made was, let plagiarism remain as a different section in the article as has been the case with others. And regarding the ethnicity, I did not say anything about you or any other fellow editors. I had only commented about a certain Karthik, so why does it bother you? Also, whatever I have quoted inside the parenthesis are taken from itwofs.com. You can also check it out. Thanks. Shovon (talk) 18:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, Shovon76, you still haven't addressed my question of why my table of the songs he allegedly copied was taken down by you? Anu Malik's article also has a list that shows the songs he's supposedly copied. Is this so complicated a statement? Anyway, why should I not bother when you make statements on anyone's ethnicity, for that matter? FYI I am not a south indian, but your statement about his ethnicity show an utter disregard of people's sentiments; and your question, "And regarding the ethnicity, I did not say anything about you or any other fellow editors. I had only commented about a certain Karthik, so why does it bother you?" simply puzzles me. What bothers me is not your attacks on "a certain Karthik", but the fact that you make attacks based on ethnicity. Anyway, answer my first question, otherwise, even I might send you a message not to vandalise Pritam's article by deleting the ALLEGED plagiarism, showing favouritism, and thus ignoring the neutral point of view, which you uphold.

Pfonilonitappa (talk) 10:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I am answering your queries one by one -
 * 1. Why did I revert the edits made by you? Because, those were not based on any Reliable Source and also amounted to Original Research. This also were not from NPOV.
 * 2. Agreed, Anu Malik's article has a list. But that is also not based on any Reliable Source and liable to be removed. In fact, I will myself do the honours of removing the list.
 * 3. Pritam has extensively copied from others and continues unabashedly to do so. But that does not mean that I can quote a blog or any other likewise personal site (read itwofs, plagiarismarchive), where the site owner himself says that spotting a Plagiarism is a dicey business, to incorporate a list on a Wikipedia article.
 * 4. Its highly recommended that you familiarise with the Wikipedia policies before adding material to an existing article or creating a new article.
 * 5. Ethnicity. I am neither a racist nor I discriminate based on language, religion or ethnicity. But that does not mean that I won't call a spade a spade. Anyone going through the itwofs.com site would understand what I meant to say.
 * 6. You are free to send Vandalism warnings to me. But before that, please take a look at Wikipedia policy on Vandalism to understand what consitutes Vandalism.
 * Thanks. Shovon (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems that Pfonilonitappa and the IP User User:122.163.203.152 using Airtel Broadband connection are one and the same person. After all the rhetoric on race relations, if any one is interested to take a peek in to that editor's idea about racial equality, please refer to this edit on my user page. Thanks. Shovon (talk) 21:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

A music composer ?
This article describes Pritam as a "music composer". But just how much music has Pritam ever composed? It is more accurate to call him a "deejay" or a "re-mixer" since all he does is lift music from elsewhere and repackage it with some indian elements thrown in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.223 (talk) 11:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Birthdate

This article is about living person. But Date of Birth has not been mentioned. He is a very popular person. Doesn't anybody know birthdate?--61.16.254.218 (talk) 10:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

plagiarism controversies
I have undone a couple of edits from some unknown users, and restored the section on Plagiarism Controversies. This is from a neutral point of view and both sides' views have been conveyed. If a person wants to put the list of songs which were "suspected" to be plagiarised, then they should be put with a neutral point of view, citing the references to reliable sources and also provide a defence if any.

While it is very evident that Pritam has been "accused" of copyright violation/plagiarism, it would be unfair to put only the other party's views. --Ruzbehraja (talk) 05:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I have just semi-protected the article for a week due to the section blanking involving this subject. I see that the debate is not a new one. My opinion is that there are reliable sources that mention the plagiarism, but the most of what I see are blog listings. The essential information should be mentioned in the article, but limited to the information contained in reliable sources. I also am not certain that a separate section is needed. I'll make an attempt now, but of course others are free to disagree; I have no special expertise here. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  16:11, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

The Times of India
Here is the list in the times of india: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-08-15/news-interviews/28168352_1_pritam-action-replay-bengali-film — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.179.145.59 (talk) 17:55, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Bias
This article is very biased, just check out this paragraph.

"The year 2012 was a fruitful year for Pritam. With a challenging film like Anurag Basu’s Barfi in his kitty, Pritam proved his worth as a music director where he composed classy songs for this very film, which revolves around a mute protagonist played by the unmatched Ranbir Kapoor, equally supported by the versatile Priyanka Chopra who essays the role of an autistic partner. The soundscape is experimental and songs like ‘Phir Le Aya Dil’, ‘Ala Barfi’, ‘Kya Karoon, Aashiyaan’, ‘Kyon Na Hum Tum’, are rendered like a breath of fresh air. Pritam has also gone a step ahead by composing the background score for this almost silent film, for which he has been deservingly nominated at the awards starting from Screen to Filmfare, 2013. The year 2012, has also witnessed chartbusters like ‘Pungi’ from Agent Vinod, which went on to become a rage followed by the pulsating ‘Tumhi Ho Bandhu’ and ‘Daru Desi’ from the youthful Cocktail. Pritam is known for experimenting successfully with new voices like Zubeen Garg, Neeraj, Mohit Chauhan, Antara Mitra, Mika Singh, Monali Thakur, Ash King, Papon, which continues with the likes of Arijit Singh, Shalmali, Nikhil George in Cocktail and Barfi."

Plus, there's still no mention of his plagiarism, even though valid sources have been provided.--96.26.137.151 (talk) 07:59, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afghan Jalebi (Ya Baba)

 * An article on song by this artist named Afghan Jalebi (Ya Baba) has been nominated for deletion here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afghan Jalebi (Ya Baba).-- Human 3015   Send WikiLove    18:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

sir mere paas lyrics hai apko chahiye toh contect krye — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.0.35.207 (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Music
I am a lyrics composer. I want to compose obaloch poetries in bollywood Baluchstar (talk) 04:56, 1 August 2021 (UTC)